Talk:WandaVision

Edit War Prevention: Evan Peters role as Ralph Bohner vs "Pietro Maximoff"

@Lashana Lynch: There was a discussion about writing Evan Peters' role in the cast list (see here). For one thing, Ralph Bohner is an existing actual character in the Marvel Cinematic Universe world, hence the format of Peters' role in the cast list. The character's description already laid out him posing as "Pietro Maximoff" so no need to change Peters' main role into that and just keep Ralph Bohner as it is.

To avoid an edit war, kindly refrain from making changes without discussing it here. Thank you for your understanding. Centcom08 (talk) 22:58, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

@Centcom08: How do I discuss it here? The name Ralph Bohner was only used once, and he primarily portrayed him as "Pietro" under Agatha's control, really portraying Agatha speaking through him if anything. It makes more sense to say "Pietro Maximoff" up-top then mention his real name immediately below, the next sentence. Lashana Lynch (talk) 23:02, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

To answer your question, kindly wait for other editors to respond to have a WP:CONSENSUS. Despite his name being only mentioned once, the writing of events in the fiction world (i.e. MCU world) remains that the actual character's existence is a resident of West View named Ralph Bohner. If the character returns in future installments then he will return as Ralph Bohner and not "Pietro Maximoff". Here are the sources that confirms Evan Peters' role is actually Ralph Bohner only posing as "Pietro Maximoff", which is already beautifully laid-out in the character description: 1, 2. Centcom08 (talk) 23:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

It's too confusing to have his credits swapped around from every other Westview resident in the list. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:23, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Dick Van Dyke show details

In the Writing §, under "Sitcom influences", it is claimed "... the first episode pays homage to The Dick Van Dyke Show, which ran from the late 1950s to the early 1960s, and was meant to have a general 1950s time period."

The source on this point is unreliable as to airdates, as the original pilot dates from 1960, while the show itself began airing in 1961.

The source, while incorrect about show run dates, does NOT claim that either The Dick Van Dyke Show or WandaVision is meant to represent the 1950s. To claim this is Original Research. Chaswmsday (talk) 00:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

The first episode is set in the 50s, and the first two episodes were inspired by the Dick Van Dyke Show, so the content isn't entirely inaccurate, but it's already included elsewhere. —El Millo (talk) 03:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

I have updated the wording and source to hopefully address these concerns. - adamstom97 (talk) 03:32, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

RFC about what to refer to Wanda Maximoff as

Should Wanda Maximoff be referred to as Wanda or Mazimoff? JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 14:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• Wanda For real people, policy is very clear to refer to them by their last name opposed to their first name in the majority of situations. However, that policy has never supposed to apply to fictional characters. Sure, we can use it when there isn't a clear common name, but that isn't the case here. The character is referred to as just Wanda all the time and is extremely referred to as just Maximoff. The name of the show is literally WandaVision. The WP:COMMONNAME is extremely clearly Wanda over Maximoff. There is simply no reason to keep referring to her as Maximoff instead. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 14:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
• Speedy close The RfC initiator has made zero attempts to discuss this matter beforehand, as mandated by WP:RFCBEFORE. Secondly, there is existing WP:LOCALCONSENSUS to use last names on MCU articles when referring to characters for consistency, as documented at WP:MCU#Miscellaneous. InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• It's been nearly a year since the last activity on this talk page. Starting a regular conversation wouldn't have gone anywhere. That local consensus is not policy and has never been universally applied. In fact, Wanda Maximoff (Marvel Cinematic Universe) uses Wanda over Maximoff to refer to the character, and has so for over a year. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 16:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• There are a handful of editors watching this article still, so presuming a regular discussion would not receive responses does not hold up. It is bad form to go against the local consensus at WP:MCU#Miscellaneous. The MCU character articles have not been as closely watched for following the local consensus of the MCU taskforce. and that article refers to other characters such as Rogers and Stark by their surnames, so it should be consistent in that approach, as is the case with other MCU articles, and should follow this article's approach as an extension of that. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:36, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
• No, no, no. The Wanda character article uses Wanda because Pietro has the same last name and is extensively discussed on that page. This is done in accordance with policy, and WP:MCU#Miscellaneous touches on that as well. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:16, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• Wanda per MOS:SAMESURNAME and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe_task_force#Miscellaneous, since Pietro Maximoff is also referenced on this page and because she is consistently called Wanda, almost never Maximoff, in-universe. I'm baffled by the argument above that the MCU Task Force consensus would support using her last name - she hits both the criteria that it says would require a first name (possible confusion with her brother, and her last name is rarely used in-universe, presumably for that same reason.) --Aquillion (talk) 18:44, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
• Comment – I think we should be more open to not always using last names. We can still have that general rule of using last names by default, but when it starts to become clear a character is primarily referred to by something other than their last name, we should treat it accordingly. It seems that Wanda is one of those characters, just as Ned and MJ from the Spider-Man trilogy are, for whom we've already implemented this. This, however, does not mean we should be checking whether each character has a common name other than their last name every time a new one appears, just that we should do it when it becomes obvious. Otherwise, it would be too much. —El Millo (talk) 01:25, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

  It might become troublesome if this list continues to grow... InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:00, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

  How so? JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 17:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

  I mean, as more and more characters appear in the films, yes, the list will likely grow with time, but that's reasonable and expected. What we wouldn't want to happen is for wandering editors to just start creating RfCs left and right about any character they think "actually" has had their first name used 51 times and their last name "only" used 49 times. I think the consensus we established still prevents that from happening and this change from "Maximoff" to "Wanda" is still within that consensus. —El Millo (talk) 17:36, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

• Wanda because she is not a real person and is much more frequently called "Wanda" rather than "Mazimoff". Also there's a bonus point for disambiguating with Pietro Mazimoff (aka Quicksilver). CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 10:16, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
• Wanda, WP:COMMONNAME... Merko (talk) 18:29, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
• Wanda, per previous comments, "Wanda" is more commonly used AND the character needs to be differentiated from her brother who has the same last name. JoseJan89 (talk) 09:26, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

The Vision

In the info about Vision, it was written that Bettany plays an original version. Can you define the term original? I do not think it means created for the show since White Vision also appears in the comics. JEDIMASTER2008 (talk) 03:44, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

We state the original character which refers to the character described in the first sentence of his description. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:53, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

I do not get it JEDIMASTER2008 (talk) 03:24, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

It is referring to the original version of the Vision, who died in Infinity War and has now been rebuilt as White Vision. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:51, 9 June 2023 (UTC)