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* '''Delete'''. Highly problematic article with various unresolvable issues, eg. not defining the term "violence" in the title; what should have been a minor section in [[autism spectrum]] is unnecessarily elongated into such an unprofessional article,
* '''Delete'''. Highly problematic article with various unresolvable issues, eg. not defining the term "violence" in the title; what should have been a minor section in [[autism spectrum]] is unnecessarily elongated into such an unprofessional article,
:[[User:NanaOn-Sha|NanaOn-Sha]] ([[User talk:NanaOn-Sha|talk]]) 07:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
:[[User:NanaOn-Sha|NanaOn-Sha]] ([[User talk:NanaOn-Sha|talk]]) 07:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

* '''Delete''' without prejudice against the translator, or the concept that a good article of this title could be written. One big problem is the sheer quantity of (often contradictory) stuff that's been published. It's all too easy to write your own personal essay synthesised from the sources you find most appropriate, rather than a balanced overview of the current mess. The other big problem is that beliefs about autism, attitudes to autism - even the definition of what autism is - are wildly different between different countries. As a result, we've got an article that reflects French issues with autism transplanted into an English-speaking Wikipedia, which already struggles with the (huge!) difference between the US and the UK on autistic matters - and the article just comes across as very weirdly lopsided. Since the subject is already so messy, I would strongly suggest that anyone attempting to write should stick to a single topic (e.g. self-harm in autism; violence and prejudice against autistic people; correlation or otherwise between autism and criminal behaviour), and try to provide an unbiased overview of public perceptions and medical/educational sources on that subject across multiple countries. It won't be easy. [[User:Elemimele|Elemimele]] ([[User talk:Elemimele|talk]]) 08:32, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

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The article attempts to cover a variety of phenomena in one article: for example, violence against autistic people, self-harm behaviors, outbursts, and intentional violence perpetrated by autistic individuals. However, as pointed out on the talk page there don't appear to be sources that cover these phenomena as a group, meaning that the article's linkage of these things is essentially original research. While it would be possible to split the article, unfortunately it was a straight translation from French Wikipedia which does not require WP:MEDRS sourcing. No one has checked the references and a lot of them do not appear to meet MEDRS standards; the content cannot be kept without valid sourcing. There is no obvious redirect target. (t · c) buidhe 01:23, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. I've described why this article is problematic at length at Talk:Violence and autism. To quote myself, "the article in its current state creates/suggests connections that are not backed by any literature. This is already evident from the fact that the article never defines the term "violence" and uses it in various different meanings throughout the text without distinguishing them." Neither the translator nor the organization who paid the translator have shown any interest in potentially resolving the issues.--TempusTacet (talk) 01:33, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I think an article could feasibly be written on this topic. However it would require WP:TNT and there does not seem to be the impulse to do that. There have been clear issues with this article from the start on en (no fault of the translator) but they have largely gone unresolved even with the attention given. Even WP:ATD specifically notes that If an article on a notable topic severely fails the verifiability or neutral point of view policies, it may be reduced to a stub, or completely deleted by consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion., and I think we're at that point here. —siroχo 02:34, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Highly problematic article with various unresolvable issues, eg. not defining the term "violence" in the title; what should have been a minor section in autism spectrum is unnecessarily elongated into such an unprofessional article,
NanaOn-Sha (talk) 07:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete without prejudice against the translator, or the concept that a good article of this title could be written. One big problem is the sheer quantity of (often contradictory) stuff that's been published. It's all too easy to write your own personal essay synthesised from the sources you find most appropriate, rather than a balanced overview of the current mess. The other big problem is that beliefs about autism, attitudes to autism - even the definition of what autism is - are wildly different between different countries. As a result, we've got an article that reflects French issues with autism transplanted into an English-speaking Wikipedia, which already struggles with the (huge!) difference between the US and the UK on autistic matters - and the article just comes across as very weirdly lopsided. Since the subject is already so messy, I would strongly suggest that anyone attempting to write should stick to a single topic (e.g. self-harm in autism; violence and prejudice against autistic people; correlation or otherwise between autism and criminal behaviour), and try to provide an unbiased overview of public perceptions and medical/educational sources on that subject across multiple countries. It won't be easy. Elemimele (talk) 08:32, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]