User talk:Nttc~enwiki

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Copyright violations

Please do not add text cut and pasted from Australian government sites into Wikipedia. The Australian government does not release its material into the public domain; so text cannot be added verbatim (or slightly remixed) from their sites. --Peta 05:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I am working for NT Government and we decided to use our material for Wikipedia!

That may be, but from how I'm interpreting the government copyright notice ( http://www.environment.gov.au/about/copyright.html ) it cannot be included on Wikipedia because it is not freely licensed text. I quote: "You may download, store in cache, display, print and reproduce the material in unaltered form only (retaining this notice, or links to it where they appear) for your personal, non-commercial use or use within your organisation." Because Wikipedia's material may be downloaded and freely used in commercial works, copying the material from the government website fails the "non-commercial" part of the government license. Any text submitted must be freely licensed for use under the GFDL license. I will say I'm not an expert, but if you really want this imformation added, and want the freedom to do so in the future, I would suggest getting in touch with an administrator (or preferrably someone even higher up) and speak to them about what is required to prove the text can and has been released freely into the public domain.

However, I *really* am liking the images you submitted, and when I find the time to set aside, I plan on going through and adding what I can to the article. It may also be feasible to paraphrase or otherwise summarize parts of the website text and use that in the article (so it isn't a direct copy and paste; just make sure the information is properly sourced and cited). Again, this would be something best discussed with administration. Hopefully this helps you out! -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 23:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

All material and all texts provided for Wikipedia can be included on Wikipedia. If you got any question please contact webmaster@tourismnt.com.au I wouldn't add it if I didn't got the permisson to use it!NTTC

Therein lies the problem, as I see it. Proof of permission lies with the editor. As it stands, we have only your word (no offense, of course) that it is free, whereas the website itself states that it is not free. This needs to be rectified before the material can be added. I strongly encourage you to speak to an admin about this. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 00:00, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I already sent an email to prove it but sometimes I really wonder why you make it so hard to work for Wikipedia. Have a look at Deletion request you will see we got permission to use our pictures and I can't see why I have to prove it every time again. NTTC

Forgive me, but I'm not seeing what that link proves. There isn't any issue with the images...they are properly licensed it appears (as I said above, I really like them and look forward to trying to integrate some of them into the article). The issue is with the text that is being copied from the government website, which by statement of the website itself cannot be copied for potential commercial use, as I've explained before. Don't get me wrong, I think you've got a lot to offer and want to encourage you to continue contributing, but dealing with such things is very tricky, especially this situation (government employee attempting to add copyrighted government material). I cannot comment as to the email that you sent, I certainly don't have access to such stuff. Was an email sent back to you? Instructions or similar? -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 00:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

There was a deletion request Darwin images for our images before and we got a ticket from Cary Bass (he must work directly for Wikipedia because his email address was "Permissions <permissions@wikimedia.org>") for using all pictures. This ticket was added to the request. Last time it took 3 weeks to get an answer from Wikipedia. I am a online project manager at Government NT and there are 5-6 people working on this project for Wikipedia. So not there is not just one employee :-) but anyway I will wait and see and stop this project in the meantime. NTTC

That's bloody fantastic that you have a crew working on stuff for Wikipedia...I wish other government entities would do the same. However, the OTRS ticket, as I'm understanding, was stating permission for the use of images, which are completely different from the use of text. Again, I'm not an expert, and because I don't have a login to OTRS I cannot read what the email said, but it seems a separate permission must be given for the use of the website text. No sense in stopping the project...just proceed with caution :) Again, speak to and maintain a close relationship with the admins here on en.wiki. Some kind of admin-approved statement on your user page (and maybe here on the talk page) regarding government/department permissions may be useful. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 00:52, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I found the link to our permission to use all pictures:

The permission for use of this work has been archived in the Wikimedia OTRS system. Please contact a person with an account on the system to confirm the permission. Link to permission (OTRS account required).. Please add this to the referenced images. Cary "Bastiq▼e" Bass demandez 03:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

NTTC

That's what I've been saying...there's no problem with the images, that's been fully taken care of. The problem is with the text of the website, for which permission has not been established. In any case, we'll have to continue this at a later time, as I am completely exhausted. Off to sleep :) -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 01:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I know there are no problems with the pictures (anymore) but the reason for having all this trouble was the same. I had to prove I am working for Tourism NT/ NT Government by sending a permission request to Wikipedia and it took a long time.. so asking me for a prove before deleting everything would have been polite :-) I also write for Wikipedia Germany and there were not so many difficulties and people who delete something for - I think - no reason. They talk to you first. It is just a little bit frustrating and also time consuming here. But thanks for your help Huntster.NTTC

Did tourism NT provide the content for the Australian government sites where the text you have added appears. If not then there is still a problem here. --Peta 06:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)