Talk:Afonso, Prince of Beira

I have a small question. If Afonso is the Prince of Beira, how can he be and Infante? If he is a prince he is not an infante, right? Isn't the tite infante inadequate for the eldest son of the monarch (in this case, pretender)? If you see Felipe, Prince of Asturias his article starts with Don Felipe, Prince of Asturias, while his sister's article starts with The Infanta Elena, Duchess of Lugo. Joaopais 05:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

• The current Prince of Portugal is D. Duarte Pio. If he become king then Afonso will be Prince and not Infante.Câmara 12:01, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

• Duarte Pio is Royal Prince, because he is the first in the line of succession.
• Afonso is Infante and is Prince of Beira because he is the second in the line of succesion.

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Describing monarchial ties

The Portuguese monarchy was deposed in 1910, a fact I had to look up because this article describes Afonso as a "prince," and as "first in the line of succession to the Portuguese Crown." There is no longer any such monarchy, nor does such a line of succession exist. Does he himself use these titles? Are they recognized in any formal or ceremonial manner? I know that this issue isn't unique to this person; this is just the Wikipedia article I was reading when I thought about it. I think the article should address the actual circumstances of his upbringing--like did his parents have careers outside of being deposed monarchs? Does he fulfil any duties as "prince"? I can try to look into it, but is there any objection to decreasing the article's deference to his supposed titles? --DavidK93 (talk) 01:23, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 24 January 2024

Afonso, Prince of Beira → Afonso de Bragança – Portuguese monarchy no longer exists (and hasnt for over 100 years) as User:DavidK93 notes above and Wikipedia should not act as if it does. As per WP:NCROY defunct titles should not be used. D1551D3N7 (talk) 16:16, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Support - WP:NCROY does not say that defunct titles should not be used, but that they should only be used when they are in common usage (eg. Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples, not Vittorio Emanuele di Savoia). I don't know what the English WP:COMMONNAME is here, but it looks like most cited sources use the proposed name. estar8806 (talk) ★ 17:24, 24 January 2024 (UTC)