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Revision as of 00:43, 20 July 2024

Hsiao's ancestry and DPP policies?

While I'm willing to concede that Hsiao's support of the Taiwan localization movement is relevant to a bio article about her, I object to the inclusion of some characterization of her being "not Taiwanese" (in the first sentence, the article says she was born to a Taiwanese mother), and that whether or not it's even relevant to the article to suggest being only half Taiwanese is contrary to DPP policies (I'd also challenge the accuracy of that claim). To me, that last bit sounds like it's just trying to smear her, her ancestry, and smear the DPP - certainly not a NPOV, and not relevant to a bio article. Even if it is determined to be relevant by others, I'd still like to see a source cited to back up those claims. --Folic Acid 12:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The way it's phrased is certainly non-neutral and an inaccurate characterization of DPP multiethnic policy to boot ([1], see "Solving Taiwan’s Ethnic Conflict", 2004-08-20). Now regardless of what you think the result of that has been, it certainly isn't an endorsement of an exclusion policy. Discussion on the actual effects of that belong on a seperate article. Addtionally, the fact that she is of mixed ethnicity and a DPP member is already mentioned in the first couple of sentences. -Loren 16:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It should be mentioned that the DPP supports the Taiwan localization meaning Taiwanese that came from China hundreds of years ago. They dont really like the new migrants such as Mainlanders or mixed races. They dont even like the Hakka and aborgines too much, let alone mixed races. A point should be raised that she is mixed race and supports the DPP, further..saying that the DPP is not very accepting of other groups. TingMing 00:57, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What you said is kinda biased.They dont even like the Hakka and aborgines too much, what?--Jerry 01:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And George Bush doesn't care about black people. My folks are native Taiwanese and pan-Blue. One of my best friends is a 49-er and pan-Green. Neither case is unusual these days. As always, ethnic generalizations are a red herring. -Loren 01:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who said Native Taiwanese cannot support the KMT? If that were true, the KMT would have no support at all. There aren't 1.2 million Mainlanders born on Mainland China now in Taiwan. There are 1.2 million KMT party members. Look here. This is not about the pan-blue. This is about the Pan-green. People who sympathize with the pan-greens are most likely 99% Native Taiwanese. Occasionally there is always some random maverick who wants to do the opposite like Hsiao here. We need to point that out that this is a rarity and not common. The DPP is too extreme. That is one of the reasons why this is true. The KMT is more moderate. TingMing 02:34, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you missed my point. People are free to support whomever they want. Aside from zealots on the fringes of both sides, the Blue/Green divide is not as clear cut as you make it out to be, and certainly isn't driven solely by cross-Straits relations. Even within the various political blocs there are a multitude of posiitons, as I think you may have found out recently on Talk:Taiwan. And there are people like me (dare I say, the silent majority?) who subscribe to Don't-give-a-fuckism and will vote for whomever we damn well please irrespective of party lines. I can appreceate that you have strong opinions. I also don't care if you're blue, green, red, or candy-striped as long as you can work with people of other POVs here and respect their views. Is Hsiao Bi-khim a maverick? We don't pass judgement on that here, our job is to provide readers with the bare information and let them make up their own minds.-Loren 03:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Nationality

@CCL2023: I saw you just add Republic of China (Taiwan) (Special:Diff/1189518240), which seemed like a good WP:NPOV compromise to WP:COMMONNAME. Can put Republic of China (Taiwan) instead? --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 10:32, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

my...my...Alexander Yui and Fu Kun-chi also....please don't unilaterally changed again on another ones outside of WP:COMMONNAME please...
(cc @Remsense:) --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 10:40, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As noted in Talk:Alexander Yui: Republic of China (Taiwan) links to Taiwan, and per WP:COMMONNAME, still think that we should be using Taiwan whenever possible. There is a reason hundreds of users and admins have decided the Taiwan was the appropriate article title for the country. The only exception I see is in a historical context (say, in 1930s China). I will be reverting this back to its original version. Butterdiplomat (talk) 11:33, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We should be clear here about this particular try: Republic of China (Taiwan) is not even a name, it's a name (Republic of China) and a disambiguator (Taiwan). No one has ever regularly called the polity or country "Republic of China (Taiwan)", that would be ridiculous. Remsense留 23:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My bad....not sure which of the 2 in the DRN noticeboard is right....compromise (need to discuss) hence I suggested ROC(Taiean) as a compromise (?to him?) or WP:COMMONNAME....so reading your reply....i'm guessing (hoping correctly) that it should be WP:COMMONNAME...am I right? --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 00:55, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, WP:COMMONNAME is the correct choice. There is no need to compromise, because the point is clear, concise naming—if one wants to know other names for Taiwan, they can see as such on its article. Remsense留 00:58, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clarification. --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 01:12, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see an edit by User:CCL2023 to change nationality to Republic of China (Taiwan). As discussed on other talk pages, the consensus is that we refer to WP:COMMONNAME. The source cited for this change is simply a page to the de facto Taiwanese embassy to the U.S., which makes no reference to Hsiao’s nationality. Instead of resorting to an editing war, wanted to make others aware of the ongoing discussions as well as the potential disruption here and elsewhere. Butterdiplomat (talk) 16:09, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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