Talk:Bnei Brak

Requested move

The reasons for move copied from the entry on the WP:RM page:

• There is no official spelling for this name, but the present one is archaic and not used in any modern publication. JFW | T@lk

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Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~

• Support. JFW | T@lk 09:43, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
• Support. Jayjg ^(talk) 22:11, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose. See Google search results. There'a even a listing for flower delivery to "Bene Beraq". - Gilgamesh 00:14, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Discussion

• 979 English pages for "Bene Beraq" -wikipedia
• 101,000 English pages for "Bnei Brak" -wikipedia

The fly in the ointment is that Britannica recognizes "Bene Beraq" but not "Bnei Brak". Let's try a books.google.com search:

• 44 pages on "Bene Beraq"
• 381 pages on "Bnei Brak"

Both spellings are clearly in use and Britannica uses "Bene Beraq" so it's a completely reasonable form. And I'm certainly no fan of Google tests to determine cases like this.

But since "Bnei Brak" passes the sniff test, two out of the three people who have commented prefer that form and the poll has run for a month it seems reasonable to perform the move and close the poll, reducing our WP:RM backlog slightly.

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. - Haukur 23:20, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Didn't notice that the redirect actually doesn't point here so a user with access to the admin tools is needed to perform the move. - Haukur 23:23, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Result

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. WhiteNight ^{T | @ | C} 03:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Unsourced statements

Can someone please find a source for the population figures as right now they seem to be very loosely put together --Canadian-Bacon 21:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement

"In a rapid process, most of Bnei Brak's secular and Religious Zionist residents migrated elsewhere" I don't think this is true. I read somewhere that most of these people actually became haredi. 203.217.94.62 13:54, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Religious city

In Israel, there is only one religious 'city' - Elad, by law. Calling any other city 'religious' is the opinion of the editor. --Shuki 18:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

El'ad isn't even a city. But you are of course correct - no municipality other than El'ad is officially religious. However, I think there's room to name cities religious (but not categorize them as such), and add a footnote saying that they have a majority which votes for religious parties or something (which complies with WP:NOR because there are official stats for this kind of thing). -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 20:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I would disagree. Unlike a religious kibbutz or settlement where all residents might be required to be religious, a city (except for Elad whoever that is legally enforced) is an open settlement for all to live in. Many non-religious live in BB and they identify themselves by saying that they live on the border of Ramat Gan and Bnei Brak. Bnei Brak doesn't even (and can't) close all roads during Shabbat. You can say that a majority vote 'religious', but that's it without a better statistic. --Shuki 20:46, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

There are many cities, towns and neighborhoods in Israel which are religious communities by design or otherwise, even if this is not "official." All that is meant by "religious" is that it is populated by religious people, and that the community (therefore) has a large number of religious institutions. See the corresponding category on the Hebrew Wikipedia: . By, the way, as far as I know most of the "religious settlements" do not have a requirement that one must be religious to live there - they are simply planned as religious communities, and those who move there will be people who want to live there. And yet they are also "religious towns." Shuki, I think it is ridiculous that you have called the categorization of Bnei Brak as religious to be "original research," as this is common knowledge backed up by easily attainable facts/observation. If it were half religious and half not, it could not be so easily categorized as "religious." But Bnei Brak is far from a borderline case. --Eliyak T·C 21:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know, most settlements, villages, kibbutzim, and moshavim are homogeneous religious or non-religious. Most enforce this lifestyle with absorbtion committees that screen candidates based on religiousness and other criteria. Barkan, for instance, will not accept religious families (though one family did tshuva and hasn't been kicked out), and adjoining Kiryat Netafim vice versa. Given that and my own OR, non-religious family friends live in Bnei Brak and no one can kick them out either (they live on the border with Ramat Gan :-). If the facts are easily attainable, than please reference them. At what point/ratio does a city/town qualify for being religious? 90, 60, 30%? Granted that there is a lot of OR on the Israeli pages for lack of online sources, we still have to be careful not to mislead the uninformed with our personal observations. Face it, tagging BB as 'religious' would be misleading to a reader unfamiliar with Israel. --Shuki 22:22, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Origin of name

i'd like to see a sentence on the meaning of the name. from my primitive hebrew, i'd guess "sons of lightning"? or is there another meaning of brak/barak/whatever? Gzuckier (talk) 21:31, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Merge with Beneberak

• oppose - against uniting 'ancient history' articles with current namesakes. --Shuki (talk) 22:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

he:קטגוריה:יישובים דתיים בישראל

Dispute

Hi Shuki.

• 1) It is a plain and easily verifiable fact that the central area of Bnei Brak is about 99% Haredi. We're talking about the area centered on Rabbi Akiva Str., Kahaneman (HaShomer) Str., Ezra Str., Chazon Ish Str. Actually 99% would be an underestimate, I think. Yes, I freely admit that this is 'OR' from having lived there some time and being there frequently. However, do you have any reason to dispute this? Why are you disputing this? It sounds like you are merely looking for conflict, or have an axe to grind.
• 2) A store cannot have multiple hechsherim. This is obvious to any religious person. The reason is that any hechsher requires a store to use the materials that are under that specific hechsher's supervision (with some exceptions in the case of 'lenient' hechsherim such as the Rabbanut). For example, a store under supervision of Rav Landau (which is 90% of the stores in Bnei Brak) is required to have all products in the store from the hechsher of Rav Landau. Now if that same store would want to be under the hechsher of the Edah HaChareidis, it would be required to have all products in the store under the hechsher of the Edah HaChareidis. That way, for example, they couldn't sell neither Pepsi Cola (which has the Edah hechsher, but not Rav Landau) nor could they sell Coca Cola (which has the Rav Landau Hechsher, but not Edah). Basically, that store could not sell any drinks. As for the Rabbanut (which is required by law to supervise any place that wants to call itself 'kosher'): the Rabbanut has agreements with all major Haredi hechsherim that it recognizes their supervisions. These include, in any case: the Edah HaChareidis, Rav Landau, Rav Rubin (Rechovot), Beit Yosef, Machzikei HaDas, Agudas Yisroel - and perhaps others, but these are the bulk of the kosher *store* hechsherim (talking about prepared food stores). For vegetables, add Rav Efrati. Any questions? Should you disagree, then I would like you to provide an example of a store that is under supervision of multiple hechsherim. --Piz d'Es-Cha (talk) 07:45, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Piz, I have no idea who you and your axe are and frankly you are supposed to 'dan l'kaf zchut' way before WP:AGF. I'm sure you know about that guideline. If your facts are so easy to verify, then source them. Why violate WP:OR? <-1 2-> Nice WP:OR explanation. The onus is on you to provide references, not on me to prove otherwise. --Shuki (talk) 23:19, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Bene (/b'ne) Berak (/brak) versus Bnei brak

It's a mistake to name it in english Beni instead of B'ne (bene). the full tzere is read just like an incomplete one, here is the hebrew academy reply about this subject: "שלום וברכה,

תודה רבה על ההערה. לפני שנים אחדות נתבקשנו לייעץ לצוות רכבת ישראל בשילוט באותיות לטיניות. טיפלתי בתעתיק השלטים בעצמי, ומפתיע שיש שם טעויות חמורות כל כך. אכן הצירי המלא נהגה בדיוק כצירי החסר, ולפיכך Bne Brak, Enat. אחפש את כתובתם של אנשי הצוות ואעביר את הערתך בתקווה שהשלטים יתוקנו.

בברכה, ד"ר קרן דובנוב " therefore the title should be changed to Bene Berak since thats how בני ברק is pronounced.

12:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)Solico (talk) 12:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

The "Bnei Brak" spelling is 3x more common on a Google check, and is the spelling used by the inhabitants and all other Haredim around the world. Renaming the article to "Bene Berak" sounds ridiculous. And the Hebrew Academy can get lost, really - they have absolutely no authority over the Hebrew language, or its English transliterations. Hebrew is the holy language, the language in which the Torah was given, and nothing, absolutely nothing, regarding Hebrew, is decided by any 'academy'. This is not Dutch, German, Russian or Japanese we're talking about. --Piz d'Es-Cha (talk) 13:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not follow the recommendations of the Academy's transliterations because they use diacritics and are also entirely impractical in reality. We have created our own guideline. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 08:58, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. I can live with that. --Piz d'Es-Cha (talk) 11:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

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%s on pop growth table

These are way off — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.187.173.165 (talk) 21:54, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Hasidic Jews in Bnei Brak

I believe that the picture (File:Wik Bnei-Berak6459.JPG) shows not only Hasidic Jews: some of them seem Litvaks to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tzafrir (talk • contribs) 17:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)