Talk:The Sims (video game)

Strange NPOV issue

Of particular interest are reports that the community has degenerated heavily, verging on the anarchistic. Prostitution and other questionable activities are now commonplace. Naturally, this raises into question the ability for games such as this to be properly moderated.

Am I the only one who thinks that reads as an opinion? And a strange one, at that? The game has no government so it was an anarchy to begin with. I suggest, at the very least, a re-wording of this if not just deletion.

--jenlight 15:00, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I've found some sort of citation, here; http://www.megagames.com/news/html/pc/simsonlinethedarkside.shtml I'm going to add it now. Flage 06:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

some sort is right. There is no by-line and that reads like an editorial piece. While I don't argue that that behaviour takes place there, I'd like a little stronger of a source. --Crossmr 15:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Downloads

I'm not a regular Wikipedi-er, so I don't really know how to do it myself, but I think this article could really do with a brief discussion of the way users can create original objects, skins, etc. for the game, and the sheer profusion of websites out there offering such downloads, including the official site's exchanges. One of the things that attracts me the most about this game is seeing how creative my fellow users are in creating original objects and skins. And just for the heck of it I'd mention that when I was looking for my apartment, one building had a website posted, and lo and behold they had made up their floorplans in The Sims, complete with furniture and little people, and put up screenshots. It worked - I moved in! 198.103.172.9 20:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)SW

That's a very good point, we should add this to the article. Anyone up to the job? --Funnykidrian 04:28, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

talking about creating custom content and a link to the official exchange. yes. Creating a link repository of various sites for download. no. This just creates the same situation we had with the fansites. --Crossmr 04:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Sims 2 section

I have a feeling the part about the release date really needs rewording, but, I don't have the mental capacity to do so right now. Anyone want to have a go? --HawkeVIPER

The Sims 2 section seems a little long for an article on The Sims. Should it be moved to the Sims 2 page? Pnkrockr 21:22, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm for condensing the section, but the complete removal of the section seems out of place in a parent section that is meant to mention Sims' sequels. I'm returning the section, but cutting down the section a bit. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 15:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC) ╫

Expansions

Anyone want to take a stab at describing the expansions? -Frecklefoot

Might I also suggest that the idea that it "has more expansion packs than any other game" is not entirely true? Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004 has literally hundreds of expansion packs. Maybe it should talk about "legitimate" expansions to be clear. D.

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Female gamers?

I doubt the accuracy (and clarity) of this statement:

attracting casual gamers and female gamers (which account for 50% of the market) - unusual in a market traditionally dominated by young males.

I think the market is still dominated by young males. Does the statement mean that casual gamers and female gamers together account for 50% of the market, or female gamers alone? In addition to clarifying this statement, it'd be nice to have a reference for the figure stated. -Frecklefoot

I figured it was talking about sales of the Sims. So I changed it to that. Who knows if its actually true.. Certainly not me, if no one can offer verification, I'll delete the statement entirely. -Reboot

The statement refers to female gamers... gamespot has an article somewhere on their site stating that over 50% of surveyed users were female.

-HawkeVIPER

50% of the registered users of The Sims were female - from a Gamespot article about The Sims Online - here Joeldixon66 06:16, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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Slashdot'ed

This article was linked to in a July 9 Slashdot story. --Eloquence 05:22 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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Images

The Sims lets you take screenshots at any point in the game. Does anyone know if there is any legal restriction on posting these images here? The images get stamped with a "The Sims" watermark, so I'm sure it'd be fine. I just don't want to get Wikipedia in trouble. I'm sure they'd be covered under "fair use." Anyone? —Frecklefoot 03:36, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Okay, from Wikipedia:Fair_use it looks like it is okay (legal) to use screenshots. Will take a look at adding some in the near future. —Frecklefoot 21:19, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

• Just use {{game-screenshot}} when editing the description for the image. Game screenshots are allowed as long as you put that tag in.

• Thorpe • 19:41, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Architectural?

"In addition, the game includes a very advanced architecture system. Incidentally, the game was originally designed as an architecture simulation alone, with the Sims only there to evaluate the houses. During development it was decided that the Sims were more interesting than the houses and a legacy was born. The architectural side of Sims was more fully developed in the SimCity series of games."

The part about The Sims is correct. But then it says that the "architectural side" is more developed in the SimCity series...!?!?! When I think "architectural", I think about building houses, and that you only do in The Sims. SimCity has no "architectural side" at all. Dehumanizer 17:07, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

What's more, SimCity as a series predates The Sims by many years. Perhaps it was intended to refer to a particular recent release/expansion for SimCity which added low-level architectural control? - IMSoP 17:18, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I think it was meant to mean that there is more architecture in SimCity in that it has more buildings and types than The Sims does, but I am just guessing—I didn't write it. But you are correct, you can't build structures manually in SimCity; the game does it for you. You can reword it to make it clearer if you like. :-) —Frecklefoot 17:21, Mar 31, 2004 (UTC)

Most Successfule computer game of all time?

in regards to the test it is the most successful PC game in history in the 1st section, i am under the impression that Myst is the most successful of all time. comments? — Nate | Talk 00:45, Aug 16, 2004 (UTC)

Not anymore, see here. Everyking 01:18, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Predecessors?

There was a C64 game back in the 1980s called "little computer people" which sounds superficially similar to The Sims. Haven't played the latter so can't compare, but would be interesting to know how much one owes to the other Mmartins 09:06, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I have. The game has only a few passing similarities to Little Computer People (LCP). In LCP, the user controlled an animated sprite of a character who lived in a cutaway view of a house. The character could play a few simple games with the user (checkers, Go Fish, etc.) and the user could instruct the character to do certain things (I think take a shower or bath was one thing). But it was all very cutesy and was aimed at young children. The Sims appeals to a much larger demographic. In addition, the user couldn't change the house, the characer interacted with the user, not other characters (there was only the one character) and the character lived out his whole "life" in the house--they never went anywhere (that I recall, it's been a long time).

I don't even think we can say that Will Wright was inspired by LCP. From what I've read, there's no indication that he ever played it. And in the beginning, The Sims was just supposed to be a "toy" where the user could costruct a house. It was only later that Wright thought it'd be more engaging if the house actually had inhabitants. So, we can't say that Wright was trying to create a modern version of LCP--it was only later in development that adding people even occured to him. HTH! :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:39, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)

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Prostitution?

I just saw the comment in The Sims Online section about prostitution. How is this even possible? — Frecklefoot | Talk 17:34, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC)

Although I haven't played it, I've read articles that mention the prostitution before, so I know it's not just BS, but I still don't know what prostitution means in the context of a game where there's no nudity and certainly no sex. Maybe they just lay in bed together. That wouldn't be worth too much to me, but maybe a sim's desires are more easily satisfied. Everyking 18:18, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

There is a Nude Patch for The Sims Online. --Delf 19:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

It is in fact possible to be a prostitute in the game as one can charge other sims to engage in the "Play in Bed" interaction on lovebeds. (70.26.157.174 18:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC))

Controversy

The Sims is listed in the list of controversial games. Why is it controversial?

I think it is The Sims Online that is more controversial. Read that article for why. Actually, The Sims has also been criticized for its consumerism, mentioned in this article. — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:21, Jan 31, 2005 (UTC)

There is a chance that players could "cybersex" useing the chat function, therefore making it unsutable for children, as there are no moderators.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.64.165.171 (talk • contribs) 21:56, September 10, 2006.

Picture...?

This article is just screaming for a picture! 82.3.32.75 19:55, 16 February 2005 (UTC)

I agree. However, I canot help much here. Can anyone else see this request?

I am not a vandal but (My IP address is not permanent.) 202.161.131.69 19:03, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

This request has been filled a long ago with the addition of two existing screenshots. However, I do encourage at least one more screenshot to provide a little more features (notably children). ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 02:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC) ╫

Ports

Expanded Ports section. The firt Sims on consoles is released in 2002. In 2003 released Busting Out. Portable games like GBA and N-Gage received ports to. And Apple Macintosh received a port of first game.

Category:Real-time_strategy_computer_games ?

Do the Sims games really fall into this real-time strategy category? RTS is the opposite of turn-based gameplay and generally has opposing sides competing. Any thoughts?Tertiary7 18:37, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Like most games, The Sims is hard to pigeon-hole into one category/genre. Is it a simulation? Sort of, but not really: it doesn't mirror real life too closely. Is it an RTS? It has aspects of it, but it isn't what most people would consider an RTS. I'd say it does qualify, however, since it's as "real time" as any other RTS and their is an aspect of strategy. Do you take the job as the cop or politician? Do you take a day off or go to work? Do you buy a hot tub to help win friends or add a new room? Not really in-depth decisions, but their is an element of strategy. Others feel free to chime in. — Frecklefoot | Talk 21:17, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

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Cheats

No sooner had Thorpe removed the Cheats section from the article, had Sexy slimgirl (her username, not necessarily a description) come along and added a whole new much much longer Cheats section. Before we get into an edit war, let's resolve this here. Are we going to include a Cheats section or not? Personally, I don't mind having a cheats section (Wikipedia is not paper) as long as the wording is clean and intelligent. — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:46, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

• A link to cheats for The Sims could be put in External links. Come on, people - cheats is clearly for game sites and this is not one of them. The page only needs to deacribe the game and features.

• Thorpe • 19:18, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It seems fine to me to have it, but it should probably be reasonably concise and written in an encyclopedic rather than a game-guide fashion. Everyking 19:22, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Well, would we put in the lyrics for a song title on Wikipedia? I don't think so.

• Thorpe • 19:38, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Commercial lyrics are copyrighted, so it isn't exactly the same thing. I think it would be closer to compare an analysis or explanation of a song's lyrics with a description of game cheats. Definitely I think a case could be made that in depth discussion of cheats is too trivial. If a few are more notable than the rest, they could be described, the rest briefly summarized, and then a link to another source with more detail. Everyking 23:21, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

My $.02 (again), we are not paper and cheats are definately informative. They'd have to be described in an encyclopedic manner, however (the previous versions kinda sucked). At the very least, I think they should be summarized.

The problem with only including them as extern links is that they change often and some sites just plain go down. Trying to keep the links current could be burdensome.

Perhaps this discussion should be moved to or mentioned at The computer and video games project? It'd be nice to get their input as to what has been done in other similar articles. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:17, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

Well, I am sure someone will make an edit if the site is no longer available. Also, many top game sites like GameFAQs and GameSpot won't go down at all because of them being owned by CNET.

• Thorpe • 15:46, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Graphic glitching on modern video cards

I've reinstalled The Sims on my computer with an ATi Mobility Radeon 9800 (256 MB) video card, and the game's graphics glitch up during in-game play. Maybe someone who knows exactly what's going on could add a small note or maybe section about how this game cannot run on certain modern video cards? I'm not certain how informative or wanted this would be, but it's at least informative to mention how this game just plain simply can't work properly on modern hardware.

Pool ladder accident merged here

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pool ladder accident. Johnleemk | Talk 10:58, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

i dont understand the process of page deletion, but please delete the pool ladder section. it is so out of place it messes up the entire article.

Fan Sites

I believe this article should adopt the same policy adopted in The Sims 2 article regarding fan site links. viewable here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Sims_2#Axe_the_fansites.21 --Crossmr 03:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Insect Death

After spending about 30 minutes on google I've found that this appears to be nothing more than a rumour. The only place it was reported was a sim fansite that no longer exists. No one else seems able to duplicate this death, and as such I don't really think it belongs here. --Crossmr 15:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

This is possible by leaveing lots of dirty plates and rotten food about, the flys will swarm and devour the sim closest to it.

They do actually talk about this death in the Sims2 guidebook by Prima I believe, which I do not have in front of me at the time. Pnkrockr 15:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

This is an article on The Sims, not The Sims 2.--Crossmr 19:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

My mistake. Have them both on my watchlist and wasn't paying attention as to which one I was writing on. Pnkrockr 20:12, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Soundtrack and music

The Sims has a unique sound. Anyone knows who the composers/performers are? Shawnc 13:45, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

The credits fro the music are listed at the back of the manual of the orginal game. --Funnykidrian 04:39, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Well could someone please put it up :/ --Perplextrator 07:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

My two cents. I don't believe full credits are needed, because it's generally not informative to the topic and advices against the inclusion of indiscriminate information. What would be preferable is the mention of key staff members, written in the form of a prose about the music featured in the game. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 12:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC) ╫

For The Sims, the music was done by several people. I think Mark Mothersbaugh—yes, the guy from Devo—did the music for The Sims 2. — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

OFLC Rating with Deluxe Edition

The Australian OFLC rating for The Sims is G8+, but The Sims: Deluxe Edition is rated M15+. Can anyone possibly tell me why that is? I own Deluxe Edition and see no reason why it is M15+ and think it should be G8+ just like the sims. Jam01 08:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps it's because of the Love Bed?Abby724 21:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Super Nintendo

Its not exactly slang when Super Nintendo [1] has a much higher google prescence than Super NES [2]. By about 66% more.--Crossmr 14:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

SNES produces far more results (although it's obvious the abbreviation may have other uses), and is likely to be a more frequently used term to refer to the machine. Rewording as such and ensuring link the console's article. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 11:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC) ╫

quistion

i wrote some fixes about the sims and the sims 2 so why did you delete it?.however i will write it again but please don't delete it?

Wikipedia is not a how-to guide. See WP:NOT.--Crossmr 18:16, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

so you will delete the new words that i wrote from the sims -the sims2?

I already reverted your edit of The Sims 2. If someone hasn't reverted it by the time I get to The Sims, it will be. There are a number of things incorrect with your placement of this information. First, at least on The Sims 2, it is placed in the wrong spot. The end of the article is not the correct place for the edit you made. It best belongs in the bug section, but only if it has not been addressed officially by Electronic Arts and Maxis. That said, Crossmr is correct. There is a Wikibook for The Sims and The Sims 2, which is generally used for the "how-to" guide, though I do not feel that it is being used, or even looked at much. --Carl ^{(talk|contribs)} 18:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I kept getting prank calls

on the Game you can eather get calls for money or pranks. If you get a call that says We will come for you in a hour, or the package has been made you have been warined. It might be a person that will bust in to your house. All you do is buy a AMT bugler thing. Her is another I always get a prank call saying were coming for you don't go out of your house. Aelita 101 23:06, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Mind translating that into English? — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:30, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

That's not the way to treat newbies. :P I believe he/she is referring to phone calls a Sim receives which were completely pointless in the game, such as "Do you canoe?" or "The end is near. Make preparations." The message is also suggesting that a Sim may receive a phone call containing a warning of an impending burglary in the house (or a threat of sorts) if the user doesn't install a burglar alarm; that I have never encountered, though. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 15:28, 21 September 2006 (UTC) ╫

Origins and development

Looks like an anon user has added a completely new section with full-blown contents on the game's development. As much as I would welcome a section like this (seeing how the concept itself is as old as SimCity 2000), there are a few passages that I have to dispute. Here's one that caught my eye:

Then in 1995 EA who had heard of the idea was convinced that the game would become another prestigous video game from Maxis. EA then told Will that if he had a chance to continue to develop the idea some more so that EA would publish the game. Will agreed and bought upon the idea that EA wanted to publish his so called "un-wanted game" or atleast at the time thats what Maxis thought at time. Soon enough when he proved Maxis wrong about his idea. Production quickly began another a new name "Project X" in 1995.

After production for the game finally began in 1995. Will was interviewed about his idea in a PC Magazine article published some time around 1995 he talked about players getting the chance to controll a computer generated character in there own little world that would give the player the oppurtunity to controll. As production began production also made several changes.

Sometime around 1997 Will changed the name from "Project X" to The Sims as a knock-off title to his Sim Series that had been widley succsessfull in the Early to Mid 1990s. Though Will also realized that the characters were simulated themselves. So it became obvious on the games title.

According to Geoff Keighley's Behind The Games, no such collaboration existed between EA and Maxis before the 1997 acquisition (or even the mention of EA prior to the period). In fact, EA's reason for acquiring Maxis was the SimCity franchise; there were no mentions of The Sims or anything of the likes. The duration of development is not made clear either, so I can't confirm if the game was in actual development long before SimCity 3000. The PC Magazine reference is also of questionable reliability; an excerpt from the interview would be useful. From my present knowledge, The Sims was most likely to be developed after EA's acquisition of Maxis.

Interestingly, there are articles mentioning Wright's house burning down. [3] [4] ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 10:51, 26 September 2006 (UTC) ╫

I say delete the whole thing except for the part that is sourced and only if that source really says what the article says. EA originally thought the game was going to be a total flop--they weren't excited about it when Wright was developing it.

The Sims was developed after the acquisition of Maxis by EA. They already owned it when The Sims went into developemtn. From what I can tell, the whole section is creative writing and Total BS. — Frecklefoot | Talk 01:13, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

The editor who included the section has notified me that some of the information is sourced from a behind-the-scenes feature of The Sims 2 on a demo disc that accompanied the Makin' Magic expansion. Can we find a duplication or secondary source to the BoS feature? ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 10:42, 29 September 2006 (UTC) ╫

To add to the previous message, the editor has appeared to response swiftly with good faith by modifying the section a bit. However, I was forced to revert and modify portions of the changes for the following reasons:

• The current revision is still not satisfactory when adapting to new information, placing EA's skepticism and thought of the game's concept being a flop before the acquisition (in 1995), when it is still not known if the company was ever interested with Maxis' or Wright's projects before 1997.
• Another added passage states that "EA and Maxis skeptical views soon changed as they joined Will on the project" in 1997; while I'm not sure about Maxis, EA (if Frecklefoot is right) would still be unconvinced that the game will sell, at least until the game's success in 2000.
• There is also the issue of readability. One paragraph's writing is (no offense, really) poorly structured that it fails to clarify which company (Maxis and EA) is convinced with Wright's idea and which is not. This could confuse readers a lot. Apparently the structure is the result of edits by me and the anon editor. A party was omitted by mistake by me, and the sentence was later restructured with a different meaning by the anon editor.
• I also undone the removal of the verification tags, as there is no substitute, and I doubt the amount of material in the section that is actually sourced from the "behind-the-scenes feature." Seeing the anon editor has the actual BoS feature, it would be a good start for him/her to tag citations on each passage that originated from the BoS feature him/herself. Placing a "<ref>[Place reference here]</ref>" tag after each of the said sentences is a good start.

Hope that helps. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 15:16, 29 September 2006 (UTC) ╫

Some Changes to the Expansion packs and Compilations sections

I removed the original game from the list of expansion packs since it is not an expansion pack. I also reworded and shortened the descriptions for some of the releases in the Compilations section. I didn't remove any content other than the prices. I removed the prices so the writing is consistent (there is no mention of prices for other Sims-related products, and since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a marketplace, I felt the mention of prices is unnecessary unless it is needed to explain or clarify the topic). --Funnykidrian 03:42, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

The Sims for Wii? (Animal Crossing style?)

Does anyone who reads Japanese know if and how this upcoming Japanese-only EA people-sim game for Wii relates to "The Sims" franchise?

[5]

It's being referenced to in the English language game press as The Sims for Wii, and I remember EA announcing a Wii-exclusive version of the game, but is this it? (or perhaps this is what it morphed into?) -- stewacide 06:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

This talk page is for discussion of the article, not discussion of the sims franchise in general. Try a fansite or official forums.--Crossmr 14:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I fully realize that. I pointed it out because if it is a "Sims" game it should be included in the article along with the other sequels and spin-offs mentioned. -- stewacide

Try the Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance) You might be able to find someone who speaks japanese and english, or they might be able to direct you to a user group that does translations.--Crossmr 20:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Demographics of players

This page mentions that over 60% of The Sims players are female. Shawnc 10:39, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Sims 3

The Sims 3 was officially announced in November of last year. Here is the source and confirmation http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/thesims3/news.html?sid=6160951 Please remove the "citation needed" request in the article for the Sims in regards to this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.49.194.245 (talk • contribs) 17:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

I fixed the incorrect attempt at citation (it's tricky, it took me a while to get it at first too). So considered it done. Next time, post your comments at the bottom of the page. This ensures that they'll get noticed. — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, kind sir. There seems to be alot of confusion in regards to the Sims 3, there really shouldn't be, as one of the chief executives of EA has announced the title, slated for a late 2008/early 2009 release. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.49.194.245 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

To who it may concern, stop editing the section on the Sims 3. It is officially in development, end of story. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.49.194.245 (talk) 03:35, 3 February 2007 (UTC).

Please see WP:OWN you do not own this article and do not tell other editors that they shouldn't touch what you've added.--Crossmr 08:06, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me but I was stating the facts, if your gonna tell me not tell other editors what to do, then you shouldn't be telling me what to do editing the article, it's self defeating on your part

Wikipedia is about the facts of the matter, not the opinions of views of its editors, thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.49.194.245 (talk) 23:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

Split Article?

i think this article should be split into The Sims (Series) and The Sims (Video Game), the former being this article, and the later referring in detail to The Sims 1 - without mention of sequels 84.92.62.165 15:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

The sequels section isn't terribly long at this point. 2 paragraphs and a small number of very short descriptors. There is already a "complete list of sims games" article.--Crossmr 16:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Merge from List of famous people in The Sims series

Please merge relevant content, if any, from List of famous people in The Sims series per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of famous people in The Sims series. (If there is nothing to merge, just leave it as a redirect.) Thanks. —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-03-08 13:13Z

I've gone through and everything that was on it was covered in the relevant articles.--Crossmr 14:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-03-08 14:06Z

Sales

If a Wikipedia user views the article on 'the Sims' it states "First released on February 4, 2000, the base game has sold more than 6.3 million copies, making it the best-selling PC game in history." However, the Best Selling Games article states that the Sims sold 16 million copies. Why is this, and could someone please correct the data? 208.102.209.167 23:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC)Joshua

I'm glad this is being corrected, thanks guys.66.161.185.110 12:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Joshua

Alternate Names

It should be added that certain add-ons had different names in the UK (and possibly other territories): Livin' large -> Livin' it up; Vacation -> On holiday

172.188.130.147 20:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

unneccesary. 72.49.194.145 18:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)Joshua

Military school

Not sure why the information about about Sim children being sent to military school keeps getting removed from the article, so I figured I'd bring it up here. Any consensus on if it should be kept or taken out? Pnkrockr 16:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)