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The result was '''keep'''__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. There is consensus here that the subject is notable and likely deserves a standalone article, but also consensus that a lot of the content is inappropriate and that removal would be appropriate. [[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde93]] ([[User talk:Vanamonde93|talk]]) 20:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' and rename. Very readily meets [[WP:NLIST]]. For every [[WP:TNT]], there's [[WP:BATHWATER]]. [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) <sup>([[Template:Reply to|ping me]])</sup> 13:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' and rename. Very readily meets [[WP:NLIST]]. For every [[WP:TNT]], there's [[WP:BATHWATER]]. [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) <sup>([[Template:Reply to|ping me]])</sup> 13:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC) |
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*:There is no baby to save here, though, so it's a bad argument. [[Special:Contributions/35.139.154.158|35.139.154.158]] ([[User talk:35.139.154.158|talk]]) 18:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC) |
*:There is no baby to save here, though, so it's a bad argument. [[Special:Contributions/35.139.154.158|35.139.154.158]] ([[User talk:35.139.154.158|talk]]) 18:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Latest revision as of 20:08, 28 December 2024
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. There is consensus here that the subject is notable and likely deserves a standalone article, but also consensus that a lot of the content is inappropriate and that removal would be appropriate. Vanamonde93 (talk) 20:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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This is a messy case of what should be named List of media featuring yellowface. Like many such lists, it is poorly referenced, and fails WP:NLIST. Even through the list has a 'notes' column, for many - most - entries there is no explanation/commentary why they are included here (nor reference). This is a messy WP:OR. What little can be salvaged here could perhaps be merged to Portrayal of East Asians in American film and theater, which is where yellowface redirects too, but I doubt there is much we can use here. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:06, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film, Popular culture, and Lists. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:06, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: as a simple Gbooks search shows plenty of sources addressing the topic as a set, therefore meeting WP:NLIST. WP:SPLITLIST also applies. Renaming as suggested would be a good idea; and adding missing sources, of course but this can happen through normal editing. -Mushy Yank. 18:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Discrimination-related deletion discussions. -Mushy Yank. 18:13, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Asia-related deletion discussions. -Mushy Yank. 18:13, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Agreed it should be renamed, but whatever the name a list of films including yellowface seems like a sensible complement to the main article, and one that's easy to source. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. At the very least, WP:TNT applies here; this is in abysmal shape and is beyond salvage. Most of the entries are unsourced, relying instead on editor WP:OR, and what sources there are, in the vast majority of cases, don't back up inclusion as an example of "yellowface", a necessarily nuanced and messy concept. This is a poor topic for a list per WP:LISTCRIT, which advises clear, unambiguous selection criteria. Prominent examples (thinking Mickey Rooney, right off the top of my head) can and should be discussed at the main article. But just because the overall topic is notable, that doesn't invite editors to try to compile a list of every single example (especially with such vague inclusion criteria to boot). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:16, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- This likely meets NLIST; the abysmal sourcing and copious OR can be addressed by the bold removal of unsourced content. Toadspike [Talk] 11:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and rename. Very readily meets WP:NLIST. For every WP:TNT, there's WP:BATHWATER. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 13:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- There is no baby to save here, though, so it's a bad argument. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.