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Lieutenant Général Sosthène Fernandez : Officier de l'école militaire khmère (Cambodge), Ecole d'Application d'Infanterie de Coëtquidan en France, Ecole d'Etat-Major (France), Ecole Supérieure de Guerre (France).

Le général sosthène Fernandez en 1975 ,faisait parti des premiers ,à résister avec courage et détermination contre les khmers rouges.

journal le monde 1975

Est-ce parce que la population et les troupes de ces enclaves craignent d'être abandonnées que le général sosthène Fernandez, commandant en chef républicain a cru nécessaire, le 3 mars, de publier "un ordre du jour numéro 10" :" Pour moi et mes collaborateurs, j'affirme solennellement que nous ne vous abandonnerons pas. Nous restons avec vous." Il a dû démissionner car il ne voulait pas déposer les armes face aux khmers rouges.Il voulait lutter pour la paix au cambodge. Il existe en fait,trois centres de pouvoir de décision: la présidence, le premier ministre (M.Long Boret) et le chef de l'armée le général Fernandez. QUOTES : Le général sosthène Fernandez a lancé un appel à la population de Phnom Penh lui demandant de lutter.Il ajoutait :"je n'abandonnerai pas mes hommes.Je n'abandonnerai pas le combat". Le monde du 12 mars 1975. Le général Sosthène Fernandez est également catholique,le père Ponchaud prètre français en Indochine dans son ouvrage à indiqué que "le chef des armées sosthène Fernandez était présent à l'église" pour une cérémonie en faveur de l'unité et la paix du pays. From vanderbilt television,1973 Major General Sosthène Fernandez,top Cambodian soldier doesn't want Thailand or South Vietnam to help cambodia with bomb support. As commander in chief of the F.A.N.K, he wanted to fight the red khmers and to make peace to his citizens and freedom in Cambodia. BIOGRAPHY C'est par une référence historique remontant au XVIIe siècle que ce commandant en chef de l'armée Khmère de 1972 à 1975 se raconte. Il explique que ses ancêtres,des musiciens philippins,sont venus au Cambodge à la demande du souverain de cet Etat pour former une fanfare royale. Le pays leur plaisant;ils y sont restés.C'est la raison pour laquelle on retrouve des Lopez et des Fernandez au Cambodge aujourd'hui encore, ou tout au moins dans ce qui en reste après le génocide. Un génocide de 3 millions de morts. C 'est pourquoi un devoir de mémoire est nécessaire pour ceux et celles qui ont été tués par les khmers rouges et surtout pour ces soldats républicains qui sont tombés pour le peuple cambodgien. En défendant la patrie, ils méritent les plus grands éloges.Ceux ci sont des hommes d'honneur.

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I think this article needs more details and some citations to show this person's importance, etc.

== I don't think unless someone puts a whole lot more work into this article, its not justified.General Fernandez was a military official in Cambodia. Everything in the article is covered by multiple other articles. At best General Fernandez deserves a mention in the Cambodia history articles covering 1970-1975. I think if someone put this up for Afd, it would be a good thing. 168.127.0.51 18:15, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree that this article needs a lot mroe content and citations, I do not think it needs to be deleted. The beauty of Wikipedia is that, thanks to the efforts of several people from around the world this article is likely to get progressively better. -- Thaths 15:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

POV about subject's importance

Can someone explain to me why the statement "General Sosthène Fernandez was undoubtedly the most popular figure of Cambodia's war agaisnt the red khmer" is not POV? I keep removing it and it keeps being added back again. I consider this statement to be POV because:

How is 'most popular' to be measured? What evidence exists that the subject of this article is, indeed, 'most popular'?
'Undoubtedly'? In whose opinion?
Obviously, the subject has some importance, though there are very few links to this article from other wikipedia pages. That is why subject has a wiki entry. To add overly elevating POV notions about the subject does not, in any way, add any substance to the article.

Thaths 18:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit wars over nationality

Having checked several of my own books - I can now provide sources to show Fernandez was of EITHER Khmer OR Vietnamese descent. So it looks as though the jury is out on his nationality unless someone can get hold of the book her supposedly wrote. So how about we discuss the issue here instead of editing wars and user page insults? Paxse 17:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:PONIEV is not willing to negotiate, despite me having sent a message to him. Mr Tan 07:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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	Having checked several of my own books - I can now provide sources to show Fernandez was of EITHER Khmer OR Vietnamese descent. So it looks as though the jury is out on his nationality unless someone can get hold of the book her supposedly wrote. So how about we discuss the issue here instead of editing wars and user page insults? [[User:Paxse\|Paxse]] 17:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)		Having checked several of my own books - I can now provide sources to show Fernandez was of EITHER Khmer OR Vietnamese descent. So it looks as though the jury is out on his nationality unless someone can get hold of the book her supposedly wrote. So how about we discuss the issue here instead of editing wars and user page insults? [[User:Paxse\|Paxse]] 17:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

			:[[User:PONIEV]] is not willing to negotiate, despite me having sent a message to him. [[User:Mr Tan\|Mr Tan]] 07:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)