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Vampire (Buffyverse)

Encountered this when closing an AFD on a duplicate article to this one. The article consists nearly entirely of in-universe language inferred from episodes of the show, and is almost completely unverified original research. Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought, and Wikipedia is not a plot guide. Core desat 03:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Per the nom's reasons (every single one). - Rjd0060 (talk) 04:34, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This piece of fancrufty original research is not only unverified (not a reason to delete), it's largely unverifiable (which is a justification for deletion). I don't see how a sourced article on this topic is possible without synthesis, as I doubt any reliable sources deal with the topic of "the Buffyverse vampires". (BTW: The fan-derived term "Buffyverse" has no place on Wikipedia.) szyslak 09:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
comment I suppose nobody has ever made a reference to the fact that the series deals with Vampires? And I suppose our rule is that any word originated by fans or fan fiction is unmentionable on WP. Just what universe are we in, or does in-universe mean excluding anything written in our own? DGG (talk) 04:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I'm not honestly sure what to think of this. In it's current state, it is completely unnacceptable for Wikipedia, that I agree. However, I'm wondering whether an article on Buffyverse vampires could pass policies if it was rewritten. If it focused on what inspired Whedon during the creation process of the vampires... I remember him saying that he gave him vampy faces and had them turn to dust because he didn't want to show a teenage girl stabbing people on a weekly basis. I also know that viewer reaction to Spike affected the way vamps were treated in the show - they were originally intended to have no redeeming features at all. The Buffy companion book The Monster Book has some good info on Buffyverse vamps, comparing them against Stoker vamps and Nosferatu. That doesn't establish notability though, but there might be academic studies examining how vampires are used as a metaphor for real life or something. Obviously, all these need proper sources, which I don't have ATM, but if the article was rewritten, I could see it passing policies. That's a prettt big "if" though... Paul 730 22:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I was going to ask a similar question about re-writing this article so that it had more of a real-world perspective (for example, comparing Buffy vampires to folklore vampires). I also want to point out that there are articles for Watcher (Buffyverse), Slayer (Buffyverse) and Demon (Buffyverse). I think an article for Buffy the Vampire Slayer vampires could be notable. The Slayer article is also completely written in-universe, but if that isn't an AfD, then I don't feel this Vampire article should be deleted either. (I'm not saying the Slayer article is good, but I'm just trying to say that I feel that if that stays, so should this one.) • Supāsaru 01:43, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There isn't a single secondary source, that I saw when looking over it, that indicates that "Vampires" in Buffy the Vampire Slayer are notable enough for their own article. If it's a certain character, we have character lists for Buffy. If you just want to talk about Vampires in the show, I suggest transwiking all that information to the Buffy Wikia. Unless someone can show that vampires in the show are notable, with significant coverage in third-party sources, then I don't think it should have its own page. Even with some sources, it may be something better suited to the general vampire, under film and television. Someone could probably write up a good paragraph on how scholars have seen vampires portrayed in the series--if they've even written about them. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOT#PLOT: "Summary descriptions of plot, characters, and settings are appropriate when paired with such real-world information, but not when they are the sole content of an article." I would not oppose an article based on secondary sources about how vampires in the Buffyverse differ from vampires in other kinds of lore. Here, we have no real-world context about the relevance of such in-universe information. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 15:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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 **'''Comment''' - I was going to ask a similar question about re-writing this article so that it had more of a real-world perspective (for example, comparing Buffy vampires to folklore vampires).   I also want to point out that there are articles for [[Watcher (Buffyverse)]], [[Slayer (Buffyverse)]] and [[Demon (Buffyverse)]].  I think an article for ''Buffy the <u>Vampire</u> Slayer'' vampires could be notable.   The Slayer article is also completely written in-universe, but if that isn't an AfD, then I don't feel this Vampire article should be deleted either. (I'm not saying the Slayer article is good, but I'm just trying to say that I feel that if that stays, so should this one.) • [[User:Supasaru|<font color="#1100ff">Supā</font><font color="#ff0011">saru</font>]] 01:43, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 *'''Delete''' - There isn't a single secondary source, that I saw when looking over it, that indicates that "Vampires" in ''Buffy the Vampire Slayer'' are notable enough for their own article. If it's a certain character, we have character lists for ''Buffy''. If you just want to talk about Vampires in the show, I suggest transwiking all that information to the Buffy Wikia. Unless someone can show that vampires in the show are notable, with significant coverage in third-party sources, then I don't think it should have its own page. Even with some sources, it may be something better suited to the general [[vampire]], under film and television. Someone could probably write up a good paragraph on how scholars have seen vampires portrayed in the series--if they've even written about them. [[User:Bignole|<small>'''<span style="background:Maroon;color:Gold"> &nbsp;BIGNOLE&nbsp;</span>'''</small>]]  [[User talk:Bignole|<small>(Contact me)</small>]] 22:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
-:*'''Delete''' per [[WP:NOT#PLOT]]: "Summary descriptions of plot, characters, and settings are appropriate when paired with such real-world information, but not when they are the sole content of an article."  I would not oppose an article based on secondary sources about how vampires in the Buffyverse differ from vampires in other kinds of lore.  Here, we have no real-world context about the relevance of such in-universe information. —[[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) - 15:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' per [[WP:NOT#PLOT]]: "Summary descriptions of plot, characters, and settings are appropriate when paired with such real-world information, but not when they are the sole content of an article."  I would not oppose an article based on secondary sources about how vampires in the Buffyverse differ from vampires in other kinds of lore.  Here, we have no real-world context about the relevance of such in-universe information. —[[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) - 15:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)