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I see that the reference to"Trelawny" being called the "national" anthem of Cornwall has been removed with the comment that Cornwall is not a nation. Which is correct ? Cornwall is considered by some to be a separate nation, within the country of England as it has its own [[Cornish language]], posseses an official government ethnic code- (see [[Census 2001 Ethnic Codes]]) and is recognised as a [[Celtic]] nation by organisations such as the [[Celtic League (political organisation)]]. "Nation" should not be confused with "country" - members of a "nation" share a common identity, usually a common origin, in the sense of history, ancestry, parentage or descent. A House of Lords ruling in 1983 said: ‘an ethnic group has a distinct identity, based on recognising a long shared history and having distinct cultural traditions which may be related to one or more of the following characteristics - ancestry, geographical origin, nationality, country of birth, cultural traditions, religion and language. See - "The Cornish: A Neglected Nation ?" from the BBC by Dr Mark Stoyle [http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/cornish_nation_01.shtml] <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/217.44.216.240|217.44.216.240]] ([[User talk:217.44.216.240|talk]]) 14:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
I see that the reference to"Trelawny" being called the "national" anthem of Cornwall has been removed with the comment that Cornwall is not a nation. Which is correct ? Cornwall is considered by some to be a separate nation, within the country of England as it has its own [[Cornish language]], posseses an official government ethnic code- (see [[Census 2001 Ethnic Codes]]) and is recognised as a [[Celtic]] nation by organisations such as the [[Celtic League (political organisation)]]. "Nation" should not be confused with "country" - members of a "nation" share a common identity, usually a common origin, in the sense of history, ancestry, parentage or descent. A House of Lords ruling in 1983 said: ‘an ethnic group has a distinct identity, based on recognising a long shared history and having distinct cultural traditions which may be related to one or more of the following characteristics - ancestry, geographical origin, nationality, country of birth, cultural traditions, religion and language. See - "The Cornish: A Neglected Nation ?" from the BBC by Dr Mark Stoyle [http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/cornish_nation_01.shtml] <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/217.44.216.240|217.44.216.240]] ([[User talk:217.44.216.240|talk]]) 14:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:As a Cornishman who considers his country to be England and his nationality to be British (and who therefore does not really have a politically-motivated POV on this subject), I would still describe "The Song of the Western Men" as Cornwall's "national anthem" for the reasons given above. I have always heard it described as such and I don't think it's a particularly POV thing to say. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 14:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:As a Cornishman who considers his country to be England and his nationality to be British (and who therefore does not really have a politically-motivated POV on this subject), I would still describe "The Song of the Western Men" as Cornwall's "national anthem" for the reasons given above. I have always heard it described as such and I don't think it's a particularly POV thing to say. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 14:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::Hi. Thank you for posting your comments. You may describe it as being a "national" anthem, however that carries no weight for an encyclopeida. Cornwall is not a nation, as recognised by authorites such as The United Nations and the legal system of The United Kingdom (or if being pedantic that of England and Wales.) The Celtic League is, by its own definition, a poltical organisation. Its aims are highly controversal. It is not an appropriate authority to decide what regions are actually separate nations, and therefore override democratic statutes. Consequently would be incorrect to describe the song here as a "national" anthem. Because of this I have reverted the edit back to just anthem - and I am not sure why this description would be disagreeable.

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i am usure which version of kernewek (cornish) this is in. i have it in 2 versions, but i have only put one up. if anyone knows can they change the "lyrics in cornish (kernewek)" to read appropriately please.

Flags

The "Policy" on flags (I'm assuming that means WP:FLAG) is no policy at all, an essay at best (WP:DCE).

Secondly, neither of them are "inappropriate" as they represent Cornwall (Which this is a defacto song of), aren't partizan or ambiguous, and are excellent for the illustration of this articel as the subject (A song) is unrepresentable with an image. 68.39.174.238 11:43, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello User 68.39.174.238 point taken on policy/essay BUT the flags are too much there are 2 for a start !! Do we have to plaster all articles with national symbols ?? I have put a question on the Cornwall talk page however I will give it a few days to see what people say I for one see it as detrimental to the article - Please see [God Save the Queen] for a better article on a patriotic song - Any sign of a Union Jack / ST Georges Cross etc ..... No... By the way I am not anti-cornish by any means, ask and I will tell you more Reedgunner 17:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC) WP:DCE amusingly by the way also an essay[reply]

"God Save the Queen" (Two brackets to a link) has other pictures to it, ones which I admit are more appropriate then flags, however this one does not. Also, DCE is an essay as it mainly seems to serve as a reminder that "policy is policy... and not essays", rather then needing to be a policy itself (If it was, it wouldn't be DCE but probably something like "Policy is only made up of pages that say "Policy" on them""). Anyway I'll see what Talk_Cornwall says. 68.39.174.238 02:54, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cornish "National" Anthem

I see that the reference to"Trelawny" being called the "national" anthem of Cornwall has been removed with the comment that Cornwall is not a nation. Which is correct ? Cornwall is considered by some to be a separate nation, within the country of England as it has its own Cornish language, posseses an official government ethnic code- (see Census 2001 Ethnic Codes) and is recognised as a Celtic nation by organisations such as the Celtic League (political organisation). "Nation" should not be confused with "country" - members of a "nation" share a common identity, usually a common origin, in the sense of history, ancestry, parentage or descent. A House of Lords ruling in 1983 said: ‘an ethnic group has a distinct identity, based on recognising a long shared history and having distinct cultural traditions which may be related to one or more of the following characteristics - ancestry, geographical origin, nationality, country of birth, cultural traditions, religion and language. See - "The Cornish: A Neglected Nation ?" from the BBC by Dr Mark Stoyle [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.216.240 (talk) 14:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As a Cornishman who considers his country to be England and his nationality to be British (and who therefore does not really have a politically-motivated POV on this subject), I would still describe "The Song of the Western Men" as Cornwall's "national anthem" for the reasons given above. I have always heard it described as such and I don't think it's a particularly POV thing to say. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Thank you for posting your comments. You may describe it as being a "national" anthem, however that carries no weight for an encyclopeida. Cornwall is not a nation, as recognised by authorites such as The United Nations and the legal system of The United Kingdom (or if being pedantic that of England and Wales.) The Celtic League is, by its own definition, a poltical organisation. Its aims are highly controversal. It is not an appropriate authority to decide what regions are actually separate nations, and therefore override democratic statutes. Consequently would be incorrect to describe the song here as a "national" anthem. Because of this I have reverted the edit back to just anthem - and I am not sure why this description would be disagreeable.
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