User:Doktor Gonzo/Archive1

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Selam

Merhaba, daha once cevap veremedigim için ozur dilerim, bir taraftan obur tarafa kosusturup duruyoruz iste :)) Su Turkiye sayfasini Featured Article yapabilsem, ondan sonra biraz rahatlayacagim, daha yeniden yazilmasi gereken birkaç kisim daha var. Bu arada Wikipedia'ya hosgeldin de diyeyim. Biraz timarhaneye benzer ama iyi çalisilirsa potensiyeli buyuk. Ne diyecektim, e-mail'in var mi? Az once e-mail atmayi denedim ama e-mail vermemissin. Arada bir e-mail atmak gerekebilir de ondan diyorum.. Her neyse, happy editing! WPTR'i de çalisir duruma getirmeye çalisacagim Turkiye sayfasinin isi bittikten sonra, umarim o zaman daha iyi koordinasyon olur. Cheers! Baristarim 19:15, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok. Cevabim umarim junka gitmemistir :) Baristarim 10:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Selam

Wikideki katkılarınızı izliyorum. Kolay gelsin. Mail'im açık. Selam. Must^TC 14:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

TfD

Please take a look to Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_December_19#Template:Armenian_capitalsMust^TC 14:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:Casualties_of_the_PKK_conflict

I think a couple of small ones instead of a single large one would be much better.--Doktor Gonzo 14:58, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

The current structure is aimed to show the activity (frequency and type) during the PKK periods and linked to main regional and internal events. The PKK activity is correlated regional stability issues. If you extend your argument about smaller ones we can try to generate them, but it has to be specified.OttomanReference 15:05, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Re:

You guys are panicking for no reason. If we rename it to ancient Armenian cities then template can have over a thousand cities in it? Do you realize how many cities can be called ancient Armenian cities? This is only for cities that were capitals at one time or another of an Armenian state. There is no undertone here. I mean we could rename it to former capitals of the Armenians but that's even more confusing no?--Eupator 20:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

A template with ancient Armenian cities is just silly and not very useful. This is notable because there were so many different capitals under states known as Armenia. Most states have maybe 3 or 4 capitals. Armenia had 11 plus Yerevan now plus Sis. Sis (in Adana) was not included because the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia is regarded as a different state than the Armenian states on Armenia proper.--Eupator 21:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't mind that. But some of them aren't that ancient really. Why not Former Armenian capitals? It doesn't say Armenia hence there is no alleged confusion with modern Armenia by some elusive readers.--Eupator 21:28, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Mutlu Yıllar

Onlar da Yeniyıl tatili ister
^{Yeniyılınız kutlu olsun}
Must^TC 15:32, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Haha

Welcome back. ;-) Khoikhoi 00:14, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Lol, you can see the whole thing here...it gets crazy in the "oppose" section. I wonder who's sending you emails, maybe Naw-Naw? Happy new years, Khoikhoi 10:41, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Türkiye Portalı

Merhaba geçenlerde Türkiye Portalını seçkin portallara aday gösterdim Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Turkey/archive1. Fakat bir Vikiproje Türkiye üyesi dışında kimse oy kullanmadı. Gelen karşıt oylarla kabul edilmemiş oldu. Lütfen oyunuzu kullanın.--Absar 12:24, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Merhaba

Hi Doktor Gonzo, while reading your userpage, I came across an interesting sentence --> "This user finds people who oppose Northern Cyprus' independence while supporting Nagorno-Karabakh's amusing" I found it amusing too actually because the same can be said like this "This user finds people who oppose N. Karabakh independance while supporting N. Cyprus amusing." It is Turkey who closed its borders with Armenia because of the Nagorno-Karabakh War, rejecting Armenian independence in Nagorno-Karabakh while it too is sharing a similar conflict with Cyprus. Just a thought... Fedayee 19:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

lol. It is still amusing though.. Onu gorunce aslinda ne kadar guzel soylemissin diye dusunmustum, su ana kadar birisi çikip da bunu niye soylemedi diye merak ediyordum :)

By the way, thanks for the barnstar.. I cannot dare not to like it! :) ~~ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Baristarim (talk • contribs) 21:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC).

Thnks

Thanks for the gift.OttomanReference 21:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Districts of Turkey

Template:Districts of Turkey has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.Must^TC 17:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

By the way, this has been moved back to its original location status quo ante after the AfD, after a techincal problem was solved. Baristarim 22:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Cretan Turks

Hey man. I guess the best thing is to stay on-topic (i.e. discuss only the article, not the subject itself). I don't think it's a good idea to keep mentioning the Thracian Turks or start a section about Hectorian either. Maybe if you propose some sort of compromise, they might listen. As for you sig, I don't mind at all. Mainly because I'm not allowed to make legal threats. ;-) Hoşça kal, Khoikhoi 04:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Category:Armenian terrorism

I think there is enough material to start a category for Armenian terrorism. It starts with the 1896 Ottoman Bank Takeover, then there is the Yıldız Attempt, assassination of Talat Pasha, then diplomats and civilians murdered by ASALA and other Armenian organizations. I want to know what you think about the category. It might face heavy resistance from certain users.--Doktor Gonzo 14:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd oppose such a category. Any category with the word "terror" in it is in my view bad taste.

However on the ASALA article you can explain ASALA's activities and Turkish govs view towards ASALA and let the reader decide how they feel about them.

It is the better side of valor not to name call. ;)

-- Cat ^chi? 15:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I think all those events should be collected under one category or we write an article that covers all of them. I am not hardcore about the "Armenian terrorism" category, I understand if it doesn't find much support. But I don't understand your last sentence, am I being accused of name calling?--Doktor Gonzo 16:25, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Category:Armed Armenian organizations would be a hundred times better than Category:Armenian terrorist organizations. ASALA is indeed an "armed" organization and I do not know of any source disputing it. -- Cat ^chi? 16:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Concur. Is it possible to change a category name?--Doktor Gonzo 17:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes and no. It is possible to rename a category name through WP:CfD which a bot mass retags the articles with the "new" category. It is however not possible to rename as in how articles can be renamed/moved. -- Cat ^chi? 18:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Such a category makes sense, there does seem to be enough material. I am wondering whether or not an overview article would not be better - however I can already visualize the edit wars over such an article... And also, should Ottoman Armenian insurgence and later Armenian terrorism be classified under the same category? Personally, I mostly prefer working on more pleasant issues, less stress on my psyche and there are enough editors willing to stress the negative anyway, so my lack there does not skew the view. However, in general, the category you propose seems to make sense and would have my general support. --Free smyrnan 16:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Doktor Gonzo, I find the creation of this category to be POV against Armenians. I can tell you, as a representative of Wikipedia's Armenian community, that we wish you no harm and instead we want to pursue cooperation with Turkish users especially in the aftermath of Hrant Dink's assassination. Kindest regards, Aivazovsky 01:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Oops, nevermind. Khoikhoi told me that you weren't aware of WP:WTA and that you have no problem with it renaming it. All the best, Aivazovsky 02:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Star Trek

See Star Trek for more info. -- Cat ^chi? 17:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow, looks pretty. Is it based on a true story?--Doktor Gonzo 17:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, I said pretty but honestly that ship doesn't look functional.--Doktor Gonzo 18:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm? Not sure what you are talking about. -- Cat ^chi? 18:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Black mailing

I could call it a threat to violate WP:POINT, but same thing. Anyways, IMHO, the category you created should either be deleted or renamed. Why? Because it violates Wikipedia:Words to avoid#Terrorist, terrorism. Khoikhoi 01:43, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

See meta:Help:Category#Moving a category page. :-) Khoikhoi 01:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

cypriot civil war.

Hi,

This was my version prior to Aristov's edits which with the support of a few Greek editors turned into the current state it is. I don't intend to leave it like that, the article is not finished yet. Cheers, --A.Garnet 15:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Armenian Terrorism

Thanks for starting this very relevant category. I suggest adding ASALA there as well, with 3 references to the U.S. State Department reports [1], [2], [3] citing this organization as "terrorist". Atabek 08:47, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

My concern is if using "terrorism" is prohibited, then why there is a category called terrorism? Alternatively, if there is a category, why ASALA with its members convicted and sentenced for attacks and killings of civilians, should not be there? Is terrorism considered as a category only if it's not directed against Turks? Hadi hoşçakal. Atabek 09:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I was not talking about Category:Armenian terrorism but about Category:Terrorism. There is such category, and it's pretty extensive. I have made a request for clarification regarding this [[4]]. Thanks. Atabek 10:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Turks in Germany

Because someone deleted the name of MEP Feleknas Uca on the list of German-Turkish politicians, because "Kurds are not Turks", I restored it and added (see the page history) "It should however be noted that a large amount of Turkish citizens in Germany and Germans with background in Turkey are ethnically Kurds from Turkey, thus not of Turkish descent.". Another user added the Circassians and the Laz. As the Kurds are the most numerous non-ethnic Turkish group among the Turkish citizens, no problem if the two others are dropped. --Pylambert 09:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Help me with the new category name

Whether the Yildiz attempt or the assassinated Turkish diplomats; attacks against Turkish authorities and civilians by armed Armenian groups has been going on since late 19th century. I think I am being quite positivist when I say we should gather all these under one cat or article. Help me with it, will you? Then again, you might have gotten tired of the heat which I can understand. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Doktor Gonzo (talk • contribs) 09:51, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

Why not simply categorize them as assassination attempts? That is what they are right? Also please sign your posts with a --~~~~ -- Cat ^chi? 10:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Problem is not all of them are assassinations, and not all of them are "attempts", most succeded. Not all assassinations, there are also armed takeovers, such as the hostage event in the Atatürk Airport some years ago. It is a pretty deep list really. And don't start complaining on me just cause I forgot to sign one post.--Doktor Gonzo 10:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

If my memory serves me right most of those incidents you listed are the acts of ASALA organization. Those can be categorized as actions by ASALA. As for others I am certain a certain group or another claimed responsibility. Hence categorizing accordingly is the prudent course of action.
I wasn't complaining, merely reminding... I assumed you were a newer wikipedian.
-- Cat ^chi? 16:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

This category is going to be a mess since Atabek knows now, he is going to peruse this to the end. Artaxiad 02:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Cat

Done. Regards. Must^TC 10:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes

Thanks for spotting that. :) - Francis Tyers · 16:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Inclusion criteria: Armenian Armed organizations that are unofficial and non-governmental

You wrote that because you think my additions are not in the context of the category? Well, they have guns don't they, they even pose with them. Anyway.--Doktor Gonzo 19:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I am uncertain what you are referring to. My edit was simply establishing an inclusion criteria based on concerns raised on a TfD debate. -- Cat ^chi? 19:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I added the Social Democrat Hunchakian Party and the Armenian Revolutionary Federation to the cat. What do you think?--Doktor Gonzo 19:20, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I do not know enough about them to comment. If they are armed and non-governmental they would fit the categories inclusion criteria. -- Cat ^chi? 19:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Hey Dok, I replied on the 'karahisar page. Also, I think we should remove the category about armed organizations to the ARF and Hunchakians because that was in the past. Today, they are a governmental organization having seats in Lebanon and Armenia. They do not have military wings or stuff like that...alright? - Fedayee 21:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Motto

Gonzo, Sildiğin motto sanki daha doğru gibi. Meclis kürsüsünün hemen üstünde yer alıyor. Selam. Must.^{T C} 17:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Re

No problem. Maybe you could check out this page sometime. Cheers, Khoikhoi 19:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Selam

Baris'in sayfasini daha fazla doldurmamak icin buraya yazayim dedim. Evet, sorgu sual edilmesi uygunsuz kacmis fakat uzayip giden bir uygundur/degildir tartismasinin da faydasini goremedim. Ermenilerle ilgili uc bes makale edit ettigimden manali geldi WPAM uyeligi, vesile oldu yani. Esen kal, Free smyrnan 01:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

Gonzo, I apologize for losing my cool on Baris's talk page. The entire dispute was completely my fault. I shouldn't be dictating what should be on other peoples' user pages. I especially apologize for the remarks towards you which I later removed. I've been stressed out lately and I was acting completely out of line. Will you forgive me? -- Aivazovsky 13:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

TMT

I'll keep an eye out. It is origninal research, they see a wolf and instantly think Pan-Turkism Grey Wolves etc. Thanks, --A.Garnet 16:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I will also keep an eye out - I had the same exact debate months ago for the exact same reason on that page! :) Baristarim 16:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Pray tell, oh Turks, what does the wolf on the TMT logo really symbolise? Denktash's love of nature? ·ΚέκρωΨ· 21:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Pray tell, oh Grekimu, what does the your nickname really symbolise? Your love of nature?Must.^{T C} 21:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Pure genius. ·ΚέκρωΨ· 21:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Probably because in Turkish mythology Gray Wolf is the savior of Turks and is a widely used symbol since the days of Gokturks or maybe it is a symbolization of Denktaş' evil plans to rule the world.--Doktor Gonzo 16:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

The Grey Wolves connotation shouldnt be there at all Gonzo, TMT has nothing to do with Grey Wolves. --A.Garnet 21:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Is this acceptable?

Ummm, I don't think it was meant to be serious. Khoikhoi 05:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, if you have further grievances, why not leave a note on his talk page? If he refuses to do anything about it, then you can take it to WP:AN/I. As for Gaziantep, here's what the book says:

In parts of Kurdistan the success of 'turkification' was already apparent by 1930. In both Gaziantep (Ayntab) and Urfa, for example, where Kurds were, in any case, barely 50 per cent of the population they, like the substantial Arab minority, were quite read to pass as Turks. But no uniform pattern existed. Local experience affected popular responses. In Marash, for example, noted then as now for its strong religious sentiments, the Sunni population sulked, held down by a stronger garrison. Alevis, by contrast welcomed Kemalist secularism for they no longer felt oppressed by Sunni clerics.

Khoikhoi 22:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I think it was just a joke, so I didn't do anything about it. It didn't look like Maestroka's userpage was intended to be humorous. Khoikhoi 02:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I need your paws on this

I did some rewording and rewriting on the Anatolian Rock. In my opinion, it can be improved into a good article in time and it is a pretty interesting topic. Can you review it when/if you have the time? Cheers.--Doktor Gonzo 12:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I can look, but I know nothing on the topic. -- Cat ^chi? 20:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Interesting note

You have not been too involved with this, but take a look at this Baristarim 03:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Users indef blocked because of this checkuser by Dmcdevit:

• Vrastic (talk · contribs)
• HayasaArmen (talk · contribs)
• Lakers (talk · contribs) - I was amazed with this one
• Fakers (talk · contribs)
• Graeco (talk · contribs)
• Mr. Barnstar (talk · contribs)
• Kursarta (talk · contribs)
• Mexicana (talk · contribs)
• Russ (talk · contribs)
• KURDBIJISTAN (talk · contribs)

lol - I wonder what else is going around here... :) Baristarim 04:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Username

please check this User name;User_talk:EOKA-Assasin. Is it possible to have like a name( both of two parts)Must.^{T C} 13:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

lol

Nice :)) Baristarim 09:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Image:Abetterfuture.jpg listed for deletion

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Image:Hrantdink.jpg listed for deletion

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Removal of content from your user page

I've removed a number of items from your user page.

• Fair use images such as the one of Hunter S. Thompson may not be used on user pages - it's a violation of copyright.
• Abetterfuture.jpg and the accompanying text is polemic, which again isn't allowed on user pages.

Please see WP:UP#What can I not have on my user page? for further information on what isn't permitted on user pages. Thanks in advance for your cooperation. -- ChrisO 20:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)