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Hi,

Kudos on your work - we can always use more Chemists around here... okedem (talk) 10:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Trans effect 2.png

Image Copyright problem

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If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Polly (Parrot) 03:47, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Molecular bonding model

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Molecular bonding model, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add {{db-author}} to the top of Molecular bonding model. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 03:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Molecular bonding model

My main concern is that "molecular bonding model" doesn't seem to be a widely used term at all; I couldn't find any sources using this term at all, and therefore I believe it to be a neologism.Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 03:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that one academic paper is going to cut it. Also, please don't forget to categorize the pages that you make; I've tagged most of your creations so far as uncategorized. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 04:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Chemical bonding model

I have nominated Chemical bonding model, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chemical bonding model. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 23:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Keep hanging in there. If the article gets deleted, we can always work to use some of the ideas elsewhere. Sorry I can not be more active right now, but I'm very busy. Keep in touch. I really would like to get these issues resolved. --Bduke (talk) 09:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Ligand

Thanks for the note. You've done excellent work on ligand. My slight concern is that you not dedicate your obvious skills on producing material that could prove semi-redundant with existing articles. But it is nice to see someone improve big articles vs create nichey ones.--Smokefoot (talk) 18:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

April 2008

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thank you. Slashme (talk) 14:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Schlenk flask

OMCV - Great images ~ thanks for uploading them!

The gallery is always a nice option. Personally, I'd have a thumb-sized image next to each item. I think for "readably" it is nice to have the text interspersed with a few "pretty" things! PS don't worry about the few whistles, bangs and warnings posted above - everyone tramples about a bit when they start on wikipedia, I’m always forgetting to sign my posts (and getting told off) – you’re doing some very good quality edits so keep it up! Again thank for taking the photos and uploading them. - Quantockgoblin (talk) 16:07, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Re your messages on User talk:Slashme: Don't worry about grammar too much if that's not your strong point. We all contribute what we can; if you can add content which needs to be copy-edited, it's better that the content go up now in an imperfect form than tomorrow in a polished form. But that's just my opinion. If you like, you can always check the page history and see who last did a copy-edit: drop them a note if you are unsure of some text and they might swing by and polish a bit. Anyway, keep up the good work! --Slashme (talk) 08:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I've given the article a quick once-over. Note the use of septum (singular) and septa (plural). Anyway, thanks again for your well-informed edits! --Slashme (talk) 08:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Straus flask or Strauss flask?

Hi, I see on Google Scholar that "Strauss" is used in more publications than "Straus", but I can't find either on Google Books. Do you have a citation to confirm the correct spelling? If so, this should go into the article, because then it's a commonly misspelled term. --Slashme (talk) 09:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I was looking up stuff on glassware to improve the valve section and found this on the Straus flask[1]. Basically I based the change to Straus on Kontes literature (catalog) and the fact that they claim to have created it. Prior to putting up this change I didn't know that Straus flask might be some sort of brand. If you can find something more conclusive that would be great and we put it as whatever is best. Regardless someone should definitely add a sentence about the two common spellings, who ever get around to it first I guess.--OMCV (talk) 15:12, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

This seems like a good idea. I'll put in something and then later editors can streamline it. --Slashme (talk) 11:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Some Info on Lean Air/Fuel Ratios (Electrolysis Scams)

Yes the majority of the fuel does burn, but resulting from incomplete combustion is sludge buildup in the engine. Unburnt HC emissions in the exhaust, along with the need for a catalytic converter is evidence of incomplete combustion. Monoxides are combustible, and the only reason a catalytic converter is needed is to convert these into dioxides. The addition of hydrogen to the combustion process facilitates the combustion of monoxides into dioxides in the engine, thus eliminating the need for a catalytic converter. Plus, at air/fuel ratios great than 30:1 the temperature of combustion is substantially reduced, thus the practical elimination of NOx formation.

I agree with everything else in the scams section. You are right on with most of your information and understanding. Lean burn engines are viable tho, and have been researched for decades. Also, you must draw a line with Brown's Gas; yes the name is invoked in scams, but Brown's Gas refers to simply a particular electrolyzer design (common ducted). Therefore you would be more accurate saying that "Brown's Gas is invoked in scams", but the technology as defined in the patents cannot be a scam. Noah Seidman (talk) 16:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

The academic articles in oxyhydrogen, and hydrogen fuel enhancement should help clarify some things. The academic publications are from multiple and diverse sources. These publications are from all around the country. Yes, the vast majority of purported systems are scams. The foundation for fuel enhancement is lean burn engines. Any so called fuel enhancement system that does not override the ECU, or provide a means of achieving greater than 30:1 air/fuel ratios is definitively a scam. Noah Seidman (talk) 17:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I've responded on the talk page of Electrolysis of water where I will conduct all future correspondences on the subject.

I will say here that I am very concerned with the information provided on oxyhydrogen, hydrogen fuel enhancement, and Internal combustion engine#Engine Efficiency.

I would also like to add that the US patents offices primary concern is not to filter the factuality of claims but the legal right to claims. Although there at statutes against unproven claims many slip through due to the overall legal structure. In fact multiple nonfunctional perpetual motion machines have been successfully patented.--OMCV (talk) 03:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Noah Seidman

My intent has always been to separate the scam from the real. The academia on the subject of fuel enhancement I have always felt substantiates my passion for the concept. Albeit I only have a Bachelors of Electrical Engineering, and am no where near a PHd in Chemistry I feel I do have a fair amount of knowledge that is not completely useless nor incorrect. Considering the publications referenced in hydrogen fuel enhancement am I wasting my time with a futile technology? Is it completely impossible to increase the economy of an IC engine by operating it under ultra lean conditions? Is there no benefit to the ultra lean burn concept? Please understand my situation, I am only 25 and have been involved with this tech since my sophomore year in college; can all of this time invested in curricular and extracurricular education been a waste?

I hope all the best for you and expect you will do fine. You are very well spoken and will find success easily. What you have learned about engines will serve you well as the cost of fuel rise whether you chose to work on substance or fraud. The study of fuel mixtures is very important and complex. That is why I haven't started working on hydrogen fuel enhancement I need to do the necessary research. I am certain that on board electrolysis will never be more than a scam but perhaps there is a setting in which filling up a gasoline and hydrogen tank would make sense.

My concern on wikipedia before all other things is the factuality of the information, both stated and implied. The way hydrogen fuel enhancement presents its gasoline/hydrogen fuel mixture information strays very close to the run you car on hydrogen scam.--OMCV (talk) 04:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Electrolysis of water

I've removed the science fraud section from the article. Firstly it isn't a science fraud, but a consumer fraud. Ther is a lot of hype out there concerning this, but a long detailed section in the electrolysis of water article was perhaps a bit out of place - a brief note and link to Hydrogen fuel enhancement would likely be adequate. The most serious problem was the lack of sources - as it was written the section was simply original research. The only inline links/refs were to youtube and news hype promotion. If such a section is to be added to the article, it should be short and adequately sourced. Vsmith (talk) 13:05, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree that it needs to be referenced but just because its not referenced does not make it original research its simply unreferenced. Before I reestablish the section I will have it fully referenced.

There are various forms of fraud all involve some sort of "false representation". This "representation" speaks to information which can relate to counterfeit goods, fabricated financial records, or technical information. The engine modifaction fraud on consumers and investors is based around technical information. Technical information has a scientific basis, or rather attributed scientific basis. Scientific fraud is not limited to referred journals, journals which appear to be referred, and proposal to funding agencies. Scientific fraud occurs whenever a person or group claiming to part of the scientific community provides information which they known is false to any form of media.

In the case of the engine modification the attributed scientific basis of the fraud is electrolysis of water. Hydrogen fuel enhancement is a page based largely on original, questionable or misreferenced research. Nor is hydrogen fuel enhancement the primary method to refer to the scam.

Outside the classroom water electrolysis is used in three primary major applications. First is the partial electrolysis of water to produce chlorine. The second use is the full electrolysis of water used in many oxyhydrogen torches. Finally perhaps the most well publicized attributed use of water electrolysis is in these engine modifications. It is because of the significance of these engine modifications the section was as long as it was, however I would prefer a short section. After you have a chance to look it over I was wondering if you would want to help with the content of the section Vsmith.--OMCV (talk) 04:06, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Would you mind having a look at the last 2 edits to oxyhydrogen and either confirming that 'Automotive' doesnt belong or reverting its removal? Thanks! Just looking for another opinion... Guyonthesubway (talk) 13:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you have a good point and I'll offer whatever support I can on the talk pages. Its amazing how controversial this subject is at times. The hardest part is that its extremely difficult to find relevant references for this subject matter since it so far from main stream science.--OMCV (talk) 06:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thought you might find this interesting... apparently hydrogen actually -was- the gas of choice for limelight... http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/pageviewer?frames=1&coll=moa&view=50&root=%2Fmoa%2Fcent%2Fcent0025%2F&tif=00807.TIF —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.2.7 (talk) 20:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I figured that it was more likely that town gas was used for all gas based lighting purposes. Hydrogen is just so unwieldy but I guess limelight was a specialty purpose that made it worth while.--OMCV (talk) 04:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

assumes good faith etc

"Help people are building perpetual motion machines"; one scientist said to another. The other scientist responds: "but that is impossible". The first states: "but I've seen it and it has real science behind it." The other responds: "Then you are a loon." A forth scientist enters the room, the second jumps up and states "He believes in perpetual motion devices!" There is some mumbling about zero point energy, Æther and virtualized particles but the laughter attracted more attention. 2 + 3 laugh till the end of time and rub themselves with what little petroleum they have left.

the end

Gdewilde (talk) 21:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)