Talk:Neurosis

Note

Note: psychoanalytic theory is just that, a theory. Are there any cites for the scientific validity of this as a distinction with practical meaning?

It's kind of grandfathered in due to the efforts of the psychoanalytic movement (who are considered to be scientists). Obviously there are some serious difficulties with scientific proof. Fredbauder 18:44 Nov 10, 2002 (UTC)

Homosexuality

Is homosexuality a neurosis ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.205.59.15 (talk • contribs) .

If you're a homophobe, or a fundamentalist bible-thumping evangelist, then yes :D

So which were the authors of the early DSMs? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.22.19.194 (talk) 21:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC).

--Easty 13:48, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I thought neuroses were caused by conflicts between the Id and the Ego, at least according to Freud.

--Easty 13:50, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

It can be, but often isn't. Depends on the person, situation. It's possible some neuroses (likely about sex) can drive an otherwise heterosexual person to homosexuality. But there are also many homosexuals whose sexual identity doesn't coincide with any neurosis at all. Sexuality is not a black-and-white thing as most ppl think, and a great many factors come into play. There is no simple yes/no answer to that question. --DanielCD 17:10, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Dr. Arthur Janov

COULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT AN ALCOHOLIC, BEING IN AA TURNS TO BE A "NEUROTIC"? AM I WRONG IN THINKING THAT A NEUROTIC IS ALWAYS FINDING FAULT AND VERBALLY ATTACKING HIS-HER SPOUSE AND CHILDREN? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AME

– To cite Dr. Arthur Janov is maybe not a very good idea, as his research may be questionable. See the talk page on his wikipedia entry.

Definition

I deleted the dictionary definition the preceeded the article. The definitions given for 'neurotic' should just not be there. Furthermore, the definition given for neurosis adds nothing new to the article and provides a more limited definition than that given by the article. It also does not function well as an overview of the term, since the first two sentences of the first paragraph do just that (and do it better).

--Nuplex 18:02, 17 Apr 2006

Psychology, Psychiatry, Clinical Psychologist - clarify meaning

I am not happy with claims in this article that Psychoanalysis is not to be confused with Psychology or Psychiatry, or that the word neurosis is not now used in English speaking countries in Psychology. Psychology is surely the generic catch-all heading and must not be abused by allowing it to describe a formal branch of something (psychology?). Arthur Janov, for example, comes under the heading of Psychologist (and Psychiatrist) as far as I am concerned. To treat Psychologist as a strict job description is like allowing the word Physicist to become hijacked by a group of alchemists (Newton was an alchemist, but he was also a physicist). This hijacking is rife in psychology, for example clinical psychologist is taken to specify a particular training now in the UK, leaving no term for the general clinical practise of psychology. Psychodynamics is similarly hijacked by Psychoanalysis. --Memestream 20:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

What about Freud?!

Hello

it seems rather strange to have a page on neurosis without at least an outline of Freud's theories of neurosis, and yet with a summary of Jung's views on the subject. I am not personally qualified to do this, but I hope somebody can be found to do it, without which this page remains incomplete.

Peter Coville

I have to agree, it was Freud's theory of neurosis that is prevalent today not Jung's views. Jung as far as this term is concerned is irrelevant.142.150.48.174 (talk) 23:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Definition of "neurosis."

"Neurosis, also known as psychoneurosis or neurotic disorder, is a "catch all" term that refers to any mental imbalance that causes distress, but, unlike a psychosis or some personality disorders, does not prevent rational thought or an individual's ability to function in daily life." (emphasis mine)

It was my understanding that neuroses could affect an individual's ability to function in daily life, in the worst cases leading to inevitable failure in many everyday endeavors. Twin Bird 06:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

== TYpes of neurosis ==

there are different types of neurosis  

1.... pyschoneurosis,anxiety [the ones i m 2....psychoneurosis,manic depressive sufferin from] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.183.165.171 (talk) 09:34, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Treatment

It would be nice if we could get a source, gonna quote the article "Some studies show no benefit is gained from talk therapies. However, some benefit is gained from other kinds of untrained personal companionship and discussion". It bashes psychotherapy and psychiatry with no actual proof and saying that is kinda risky. I say we should modify or delete that section, Tarot cards FTW! >_> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.160.145.42 (talk) 21:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Suggested correction by FireRaider. Somebody fix it if needed!

In the main article: "I have frequently become neurotic when wrong answers to the questions of life (Jung, [1961] 1989:140)."

I seriously believe there is a verb missing at the end of that sentence. Somebody do something about it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fireraider (talk • contribs) 20:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

No verb missing at the end of the sentence... but quite a few words were removed by a vandal that nobody apparently caught. It's been restored.--Isotope23 ^talk 20:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Clarification on where the term is still in use

Those who retain a psychoanalytical perspective, which would include a majority of psychologists in countries such as France, continue to use the term 'neurosis'.

Countries such as France? This is a kind of useless definition. Meaning socialist countries? I don't know if that's true and is it even really true on a nationwide level in France? I don't know enough to answer it, but it would be better to have something like, "psychologists that follow..." some psychologist or school of psychoanalysis. Prayformojo (talk) 02:24, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Neurosis the term is the one of the only terms that survived past the era of Freudian psychology. Its widely used in many fields of psychology and country as no relevance. It is widely used in modern psychology.142.150.48.174 (talk) 23:19, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Jung's theory of neurosis

As a complete outsider... I am wonder if Jung's theory of neurosis deserves to be in this article. It seems kind of pseudo-sciency and the link to Jung's theory of neurosis only provides a page that seems not to be of great importance and only cites a few sources, all of which are of Jung himself. Jason Quinn (talk) 12:55, 5 February 2009 (UTC)