Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian literature

WP:NOVELS

Having already discussed this with one of you - I'm quite happy to point a "task force" from the Novels Wikiproject to this project so we can co-operate on this related topic articles. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 14:43, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

excellent. we'll link to your article template and book infobox so there's consistency on that front. baby_ifritah 14:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I have made some of the links needed - see if you can find a flaw anywhere. Hopefully Novels and Australia can feed editors in here and get more help with your work. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 10:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

to do

not quite sure if i shld have put the list there, it's a little annoying as is, where shld it go?  ⇒ bsnowball  16:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

i think that we will move it to a sub page and just have links to it here, but SatuSuro is busy for the next few days and he's been doing the coding. but for the time being, seems like like the right place to me. xx baby_ifritah 09:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Corrections

(1) - cj and longhaair are the good coders - I simply inhabit their talk pages to the point of their exasperation - they both have wikibreak signs on their :user or talk pages - so we might have to fiddle while we wait

(2) sub page is a very good idea SatuSuro 14:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Copyright

Under the new Copyright rules, copyright has now expired on Australian published artistic works such as novels and poetry where:

• if published anonymously before 1 January, 1955.
• if author is known, author died before 1 January, 1955.

It is therefore safe to freely reproduce such works in Wikipedia. Otherwise, be aware of copyright restrictions and responsibilities.

—Moondyne 01:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

oh good. i thought it had been changed to 70 years. baby_ifritah 09:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it is 70 years for works published after the law (related to the Free Trade Agreement) came in ie it wasn't made retrospective. Sterry2607 07:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Icon for WikiProject Literature

I notice we are using a Basketball for the icon for the WikiProject Literature (see above box),which is also being used by Wikipedia:WikiProject_Australian_basketball, shouldnt we being something that is book related instead such as a book icon to avoid confusion

Basketball

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Boylo 03:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I've switched in the proposed icon for you, as the basketball just looked silly. --Scott Davis ^Talk 14:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

project icon

In fact it's now changed to a more Australian one. What else do you need on the template? I'm not an expert, but can copy and paste if required. --Scott Davis ^Talk 14:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the ugly green banner. I believe I've updated the {{WP Australia}} to support the literature-importance= attribute, and categorise on both importance and class (based on the Australian assessment). I leave it to the regular project memebrs to create all the categories as it's past my bedtime. --Scott Davis ^Talk 15:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Scott SatuSuro 15:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Open tasks

Great idea for a project. BTW, how do I add to the open tasks? ☻ Fred|☝ discussion|✍ contributions 16:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

• you need to use the 'edit' option for the whole 'to do' box (top right in the border of the box) or just go straight to the page (Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian literature/to do) & edit it
• for people who know stuff about these things: i assume it comes up with those "no such section" messages when you try editing within the 'to do' box because it's transcluded. is there any way to fix this? & also how do we stop it displaying the section headings in the main toc, as that's not too useful?
• above is a minor issue. can we have a list of the setup jobs that still need doing?  ⇒ bsnowball  11:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

The 'no edit section' seemed to be affecting the main page. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion|✍ contributions 06:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Fantasy / Science Fiction - Works in Progress

Just wondering how to know if a author is still classed as Australian. Found a article for Tom Arden and while editing it noticed from a link that he has lived in Ireland and England since 1990. So does that still keep him in the Australian Project ? Not sure on his current citizenship, so I put a note about it in Info Box anyway. Boylo 03:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Seeing he hasn't done any significant work in Australia (left here in 1990 and was first published in 1997), I would say that it may be stretching it a bit. —Moondyne 03:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Found that he had written his first novel at 7, so maybe he can still be classed as Australian. Boylo 05:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• Have added all the Australian Fantasy Writers and their linked works to Project (Info Boxes also for most), including Conventions, Awards and Publications. Most are still in need of importance and quality ratings. Boylo 05:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
• Added all the Australian Science Fiction Writers (Works and Info Boxes still to be completed). Boylo 03:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Subproject tag

Lit=yes - inside the brackets. Assessment parameters of relevance are: literature-importance=

Is it possible to have one or the other, or both lit and literature work. A minor thing. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion|✍ contributions 16:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Not sure why its posted as lit=yes again (as i see baby Baby ifritah altered it and then reverted it later), as thats doesnt work for me and its all a bit confusing as to what is correct to place. But in the end i decided this is what i would post to pages, with class and importance included for later ease in rating. Maybe it should be posted this way on main page using this code so template info shows without it actually appearing as the template box Boylo 01:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

{{WP Australia |class= |importance= |literature=yes}}

Whatever - please note - this is for the discussion or talk page for an article - not the main page of an article! _ if the article already has WP Australia - to add the literaure=yes tag - make sure there is the divider "'| there. IF you are unsure of the assessment level for the article - it can be just WP Australia|literature=yes inside the brackets and it will work - SatuSuro 03:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Am surprised at your ' Whatever ', as this question Fred has asked is the same as i asked awhile back on baby_ifritah's page, and in which you later told her revert it back to 'lit=yes ' and not to use 'literature', so its wasnt only him confused. What i was saying was to show that correct template info box on the main page for WikiProject Australian Literature page, so we would have the information showing in how to do it correctly (which is how i have seen it showing on other Project Pages), ' not on article pages '. Boylo 10:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Those that attract neither Novelist/Poet tag exclusively

Anyone for an Authors list on the project page? I can think of a number of Australian writers who have published in a number of genres (so to speak) who would (if they were still alive) would have been known as author rather than novelist or poet exclusively. Anyone else on this distinction? SatuSuro 02:06, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps we should just change the title "Other Biographies" to "Other writers" to cover other fields??? baby_ifritah 03:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Apologies

Just a note to say I'm sorry I haven't been around much. I've been a bit tied up with medical appointments for Caspar who will be having surgery soon. All is well but i'm a bit behind and wanted to let you know I haven't abandoned you all. baby_ifritah 03:20, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I hope lil Casper does okay as it sounds serious if needing surgery. Best Wishes. Boylo 01:36, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Shantaram

I just found some interesting news, that the author of Shantaram, (Gregory David Roberts) is now engaged to Princess Françoise Sturdza of Switzerland and they plan to marry soon, so have posted it on the feature for him. [1] Maybe we should try and improve his articles as the movie production is also starting later this year, as its sure to get a lot of interest worldwide. Boylo 07:10, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Portal Created - The Three Worlds Cycle

I have just started a Portal:The_Three_Worlds_Cycle to try and get this large series of books better organized. Many links have been created by previous contributors with character names, locations, worlds, items and novels etc. As most of the information is mostly stubs and plot summaries, its best and try get this working better by using a Portal. So any suggestions or help is appreciated, as there is much to do. I will contact the fan forum and mention the Portal exists as it seems they maybe the ones doing most of the contributions, so now they will have a way of keeping it all better organized. Boylo 04:42, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Phryne Fisher

This needs attention. A cleanup tag was added by an anon. I've added your WP template and the one for the WP Novels to see if that brings some editors there. I'll have a go over the weekend. --Bduke 23:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Oyster

Hello there, just thought I'd alert you to the fact that I've just created this page Oyster. Apparently this is the first page on a novel by Janette Turner Hospital.Zigzig20s 07:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Literature proposal

There is a proposal up for a project focusing on general, basic literature articles here. Please add your name if you are interested. Thanks, Wrad 20:40, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Tom Champion deletion review

Hi, the page for emerging Australia author Tom Champion was deleted for reasons of notability.. by a Welsh woman User:Deb. I was wondering if it could be reviewed. Tom Champion is part of a literary family of D'Arcy Niland, Ruth Park, Kilmeny Niland, Deborah Niland and Rafe Champion, and I feel his upcoming first book release is relevant to Australian literature. The article was cited and sourced, and I just want to make sure everything's correct, I already wrote to Deb and she ignored me. So any help that could be provided would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jegeskave (talk • contribs) 11:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

• Given he has not yet published a book, I can't see anything from the deleted article that establishes notability.--Matilda ^talk 21:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Excellent ancestry but I feel that until he's established a reputation in his own right, a whole article is not really justified. (I haven't seen the deleted article though so am just going on what I understand to be the case). However, since his father has an article perhaps a sentence (or even para if there's enough substance) referring to his upcoming book could be entered there (he is already listed there as a son) and be expanded into a Main Article if and when he makes his mark?Sterry2607 (talk) 22:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your responses! I feel that would be fair. The deleted article was already only brief, mentioning his family history and that his first book is released August 2008. I'll follow through and hope it works. Thanks guys! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.3.71.3 (talk) 01:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm coming in late to this discussion, but I agree with the sentiment that the author should have his own page when his book is published. Perry Middlemiss (talk) 05:42, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Miles Franklin Award

Over the past year or so I've been working towards building a page for each author who has won this award. That process is now complete. I did a bit of the work but have to thank a number of other contributors to the cause - even if they didn't know there was one. This now leaves a number of things that need to be attended to on this page; namely pages for each of the winning novels and pages for each of the shortlisted authors.

My question is: should we add the missing authors to the Australian Literature WikiProject page, or just leave them as they lie?

My reading plans for this year may deal with a few of the Miles Frank Award winning novels and I'll create pages for them as I go, but I probably won't get to the bulk of them until 2009.Perry Middlemiss (talk) 05:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Didn't take long for me to change my mind. I've started adding in skeleton pages for each of the missing Miles Franklin Award winners, starting from the second TO THE ISLANDS, as the first, VOSS, was already there. I've taken a leaf out of the Booker prize-winning novels pages and added a box showing the previous and next MF Award winners in the sequence. While these pages will take a while to build up I thought it best to lay down the framework first. I'd appreciate it if people could help me defend them against deletion if that looks imminent. Perry Middlemiss (talk) 21:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Good work Perry. I think a MF Award winner is probably automatically notable, but if a project related article does get mentioned for deletion, please post a note on this page and/or at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Australia for wider participation. —Moondyne click! 23:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Will do, thanks. Perry Middlemiss (talk) 23:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Australian Novels in a Year

I am aware of the category which lists novels published in a certain year, but this does not differentiate Australian novels from any others. Is it worthwhile to create a category which will do just that? Perry Middlemiss (talk) 06:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

• How many do you think would end up being in the category at a time? - I would have thought only a few and thus in my view wouldn't be worthwhile. There is no definitive answer to be found at Wikipedia:Categorization or Wikipedia:FAQ/Categorization sio I cannot see a problem with the approach. --Matilda ^talk 20:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

• • If we were to build categories to include novels for each decade we might get a better idea of how many novels we're talking about - I'm thinking somewhere in the vicinity of 500. The main aim of this classification would be to allow for a view of the development of the Australian novel over time. The trouble is I'm not sure how hard it would be to back this out if it proved to be of little use. Or even if that would or should be done. Perry Middlemiss (talk) 22:40, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
    • One of my pet projects is the years in Australia series - eg 1908 in Australia . In that article you will see under Arts and Literature there are links to Maurice Guest and We of the Never Never. There is also Category:1908 in Australia which doesn't include the novels and is pretty underpopulated. perhaps working with the year in Australia articles and categories would be a start and would not be something you need to back out of. I would suggest that Australian books of a particular year would need to be a sub cat of that year in Australia anyway.--Matilda ^talk 22:48, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
      • I'd be most happy to use those categories. It puts the literature into a wider Australian context as well. Didn't know they existed till now, so thanks for the heads-up. I'll start adding these Australian year categories to the novel pages I create. Perry Middlemiss (talk) 23:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Australia literature

"Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in" typically is used to notify Wikipedians who live in a particular geographic location that someone wants a photo taken in the location. However, Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Australia literature seems to be addressed to Wikipedian's who appear in Australia literature. If you look at Special pages, you'll see that "Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Australia literature" doesn't really fit with the other categories. Any suggestions? GregManninLB (talk) 23:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I think being a subcat of Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Australia is fine. More speficity is required than just Australian pitcutres required given the size of this sub-category and its links to this wikiproject. For my own priorities adding pictures isn't high but for others it might be --Matilda ^talk 00:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Novels banner

I noted the request to remove this project from the Novels project banner. I am currently in the process of updating that banner myself. I certainly could remove it, or, alternately, if you want, set it up to allow assessment for this project, the Novels project, and the Australia project, if you would prefer that. If you would prefer the latter option, let me know. John Carter (talk) 14:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Ascribed identities

Archie Weller and few others have had their status as to whether if they write about marginality and the characters in social margins whether they actually are specifically of the same identity - I have removed one ascribed aspect of his identity from the lead sentence of the article about him - however I will leave it to the collective wisdom of the lit project as to whether such an identity is in fact correct even if in fact it isnt - if you follow me - cheers SatuSuro 09:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme

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Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Australian literature

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Children's literature?

Should there be a section in Australian literature about children's (and/or "young adult"/teenager) books? List of Australian children's Authors:

• Paul Jennings
• Morris Gleitzman
• Andy Griffith
• Terry Denton(?)
• Emily Rodda
• Mem Fox
• ect...122.109.1.230 (talk) 12:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Given the number of children's and YA books coming out of Australia over the past few years I'd agree with this. Trouble is, you need someone to write the piece. By the way there is an "Australian children's writer" category which always needs expanding. --Perry Middlemiss (talk) 10:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)