User talk:Mr Miles

Your recent edits

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13th Step

Please undo your edit warring. If you're seeing the article as a vehicle for 12th-stepping, you're in the wrong place. PhGustaf (talk) 00:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Erm, I wasn't edit warring, just reverting a change that hadn't been discussed properly. Am I being sensitive or did you overreact there? 12th-stepping?! Mr Miles 01:27, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I think the change was discussed properly. Perhaps I did overreact. Anyway, let's wait for other opinions on the matter. Thanks for your efforts on the page. PhGustaf (talk) 01:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

AA cult

Ok, the Alexander and Rollins concluded that AA used the same techniques that a researcher named Lifton identified as “thought reform” (brainwashing, but without the additional baggage that brainwashing holds) and those techniques where also used in cults. Now we get into the argument of wither that makes them a cult or not… Alexander and Rollins thought that any thought reform was negative and thus AA was a cult…while Kevin Wright (1997) in another study found that those techniques where seen as beneficial and thus AA wasn’t a cult. I actually added the text “And Kevin [Wright], in a study of several members, concluded that although the [Lifton] techniques [were] present in the Alexander and Rollins study, the conclusion that AA was a cult was erroneous because AA bore little semblance to religious cults because the techniques appeared beneficial in AA.[6]^ Wright, K[B] (1997) "Shared Ideology in Alcoholics Anonymous: A Grounded Theory Approach". Journal of Health Communication, Volume 2, pp. 83–99” to the cult page, but it was rejected by the editors.

I hope this helps outCoffeepusher (talk) 16:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much Coffeepusher, that's great, I'm going to propose reinserting it. Mr Miles 15:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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Long and complicated explination

ok, so this newcomer (not really, but they have edited sparaticly over the years and nothing ever stuck) came to the aa page with a machette and an attitude (check out the "sandy edit" section of the aa talk). we have all tried to reason with them on both their talk page and on the aa talk page. when I logged on I found out that they had incerted their edits yet again (both me, PH, and Scrappy have all reverted the change) and then you made your edits. the only way I could figure out how to fix everything was to revert back to ph's edit (thus deleting your edits) and then incert your edits back as best I could. I hope I did a good job, because I did like your edits. sorry for the confusion.Coffeepusher (talk) 17:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Disease theory of alcoholism

I'm getting a bit tired (already) of MrAlbert and his various aliases making very silly edits. There appears to be almost no understanding. I suppose we just have to keep fighting the good fight, but really... Any suggestions? AussieBoy (talk) 11:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the slow response, not been on Wiki for a while. There is no good solution to MrAlbert and his sockpuppets (although you can try to report him, he's been banned many times). He loves the fast revert and is prepared to stay up all night, slow motion reverts work best (or at least they have on the AA article). Your edits are appreciated and important - check out this link to see why:

http://stats.grok.se/

Good luck!

Mr Miles (talk) 15:19, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

13FAM93 commentary

--Fred Woofy (talk) 21:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)==You have been cited by Seicer and the AA page locked down==

It has become obvious to other editors that you have purged the Alcoholics Anonymous page of most information that could possibly be viewed as negative. This has been noted as simply unaccpetable hence the need for Seicer to lock down down the Alcholics Anonymous page.

I have found what in my opinion your biases in editing completely unacceptable as well. The Wiki is to provide inforamtion not to act as a shill for a particular organization.

--Fred Woofy (talk) 00:22, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

If what you are saying is true, why did Seicer lock down the version with your edits removed, the version that you claim to be my POV (which is actually the version of consensus by the other editors)? Why do you keep getting banned and keep making edits described by other editors as 'silly' and with 'no understanding' (see post by AussieBoy above)? Mr Miles (talk) 21:36, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Mr. Miles, my edits are still there, he locked the page with my edits intact, look at Charles B. Towns hospital and the edit concerning Wilson's treatment by Belladonna, Town's cure for addiction.

Most of the complaints have come from you and a couple of others who are involved in this organization Mr. Miles. Seicer reviewed your edits Mr. Miles and found them unacceptable. You were keeping information off the page. You have even attempted to get me banned this last time around. However if you take a look the web page I have added , the page on Charles B. Towns, it has not only been been accepted but also improved upon by more experienced editors. It was not deleted, which seems to be a habit of yours. It doesn't surprise me that you would be attempting another ban on editiors on this page, especially since the fact that Wilson underwent the Belladonna cure, has now been added to the page. How you managed to overlook this part of AA history amazes me and others. The editing I have done is good. Not from you opinion I acknowleddge. It appears to me that for you , Reality bites , a metaphor. Your editing has left me wondering Mr. Miles, since in the past you aggressively deleted important and vital information, is your purpose here to sell the organization, and if so, do you do it by restricting the contributions of other editors? If you notice the lock down occured with the information concerning the Bella Donna cure intact, and the POV at the introduction to the article removed. The POV you kept adding back in. It is gone Mr. Miles. --MisterAlbert (talk) 18:17, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Please don't use my talk page to discuss the AA article, use the discussion board provided. Thanks. Mr Miles (talk) 23:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Mr. Miles , is your purpose here to sell this Alcoholics Anonymous by restricting what can and cannot be posted here?--Fred Woofy (talk) 21:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Why are you pretending to be two people? Mr Miles (talk) 23:09, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

More 13FAM93 commentary

Wikipedia:Gaming the system

Entire sections on the studies section of Alcoholics Anonymous being removed, leaving only those favouring AA, resulting in an edit war and editors banned from posting: http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Alcoholics+Anonymous&diff=197618867&oldid=197618528 Administrator Seicer this July 2008, commented on the housecleaning tactics to remove anything negative concerning Alcoholics Anonymous was unacceptable.

A wiki page titled the Effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous had to be created, while studies favoring AA were left untouched on the Alcoholics Anonymous page.

another example of threats to ban using by Mr Miles: http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Stanton_Peele&action=history

Mr. Miles revert: http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Stanton_Peele&diff=224464242&oldid=224255854

The statement contained in the Miles revert: This last award, however, is often attributed to Cold War hysteria, and is no longer recognized by most alcohol governing bodies.

The reference that was attached to the above statement: http://www.peele.net/aab/keller.html

The reference does not contain any wording to the above statement. The editor removing the above statement was simply engaged in reverting bad POV editing. Other information deleted by Mr Miles in the revert were: Other acknowldegements have come in the The Creation of the Annual Stanton Peele Lecture, 1998, by the Addiction Studies Program, Deakin University, Melbourne, Australia and a Lifetime Achievement Award, 2006, International Network on Personal Meaning.

Miles reverts included POV wording was added such as "attempts to debunk".

I am posting this so editors have an awareness of what lies behind the editing wars on Acoholics Anonymous.

--MisterAlbert (talk) 20:59, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Why are you pretending to be more than one person? MisterAlbert and Fred Woofy are clearly the same person - let's face it, they broke the mold, didn't they! Mr Miles (talk) 21:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

DISCUS

David J. Hanson: His main web site is funded by the Distilled Spirits Council of the United States.

"The Distilled Spirits Council of the United States, Inc. provided an unrestricted grant that was used to fund this web site, for which funding also was received from other sources." Nunquam Dormio (talk) 08:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

MisterAlbert

Hi. Please see this. Gwen Gale (talk) 08:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

study on effectiveness page

Hello miles, long time no chat etc. Hope all's well...

Just looking at the talk page on AA Effectiveness and you state that there is a logical error in the abstract of the study Fred/Albert mentioned (the sweedish one...)

Not agreeing or disagreeing, am just curious - what is the flaw? I just can't see it.

The only other thing I would say is that you mention the study is TSI (or TSF...) - presumably if this is a reason to remove it then Match should also be removed? just a minor point, as I can';t be bothered with wiki-wars any more.

I would be really interested to hear about the Albert study flaw though. Also, do you have a link to the abstract?

Thank you Step13thirteen (talk) 21:44, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, all's well with me thanks.

The part with the error is:

Students showed significant differences in AUDIT score reduction in favor of the BSTP compared with controls, and had a tendency to show better results than the TSI intervention. The TSI did not differ significantly from the control group.

So the abstract is stating:

BSTP = significantly better than CONTROL

BSTP = better results than TSI

TSI = not significantly different than CONTROL

Those three statements can't all be true. If the BSTP is significantly better than CONTROL, and CONTROL is not significantly different to TSI, then it follows that BSTP should be significantly different to TSI not merely better.

I'm being pedantic, but as a summary the abstract should be error free if we're to include it, else the whole thing may be wrong. My point was that we should be reading original articles, not just googling abstracts. I have the actual article if you're interested in reading it and providing a summary for the article? I just don't have time at the moment but I can email it to you if you like.

How's it going with you?

Mr Miles.