User talk:OliverTwisted

edit count | edit summary usage Frustrating Deletion Notices? Get Answers Here : WP:N (General Notability) WP:BIO (Person Notability) WP:ORG (Company or Group Notability) WP:WEB (Web Content Notability) WP:MUSIC (Musician or Band Notability) WP: V (Verifiability) WP:WMD (Why Was I Deleted?) WP:RS (Reliable Sources) WP:NOT (What Wikipedia Is Not) WP:SAND (Play In Your Sandbox) WP:POLITE (Keep Your Cool) WP:TEA (Have A Nice Cup Of Tea) Drama Free Zone! Take A Deep Breath Before Posting. More help required Hello. Thank you for the message. I didn't understand the sandbox thing until now. Those are my first two articles. Please, tell me what else am I missing or what can I do to improve them. Thank you. Mirapaltecho (talk) 08:27, 10 December 2008 (UTC) Thank you again. I'll wait 'till tomorrow and see what happens. I've still got so much work to do here... many things to learn, but that's ok for today. Mirapaltecho (talk) 08:27, 10 December 2008 (UTC) Request for rollback Hi. From what I have observed in your edit history, you really have good contribs, principally in page patrolling and user warning. However, your vandalism patrolling is low (undo feature is used, I believe, not more than 15 in late November and early December), but you really used the button for vandalism only, which is actually good. I recommend you use the undo feature for the time being, and please come back after a few days. I would really be willing to grant it to you. --Efe (talk) 12:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC) I would love to if you'll provide me with diffs. I am a bit busy now. By the way, Special:RecentChanges is a better place to help with vandals patrolling, but I believe you are aware of that page. --Efe (talk) 02:47, 15 December 2008 (UTC) Hmm. It seems you've been granted with the rollback tool by User:Future Perfect at Sunrise. --Efe (talk) 02:58, 15 December 2008 (UTC) Yes, another editor was kind enough to grant the permission. I appreciate your advice, feedback and time. Best regards. --OliverTwisted (talk) 05:25, 15 December 2008 (UTC) Welcome. --Efe (talk) 09:32, 15 December 2008 (UTC) CSD G4 Hi again. I don't mean to be a pain, but you seem to be willing to take constructive criticism with a good attitude. Please note that CSD G4 (for reposts) is only for articles that have previously been deleted after debate, such as at articles for deletion, and even then it only applies if the recreated article is substantially similar to the deleted article, failing to remediate the basis under which it was deleted pursuant to the deletion discussion. The crucial part that you apparently missed: it is never applicable to an article that was only previously speedy deleted. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC) Got it. I had 2 problems. 1)The Twinkle software does not seem to function properly for me, as some of my edits did not appear with the reason that I intended. 2) I needed a refresher on CSD, which has been provided by many eager editors. I think the problem has been fixed, both technologically and with regards to instruction. Thanks again for your patience. --digitalmischief (talk) 13:29, 10 December 2008 (UTC) Great!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:35, 10 December 2008 (UTC) No problem No problem, you can always inform me if someone is vandalizing.--Megaman en m (talk) 14:31, 10 December 2008 (UTC) RE: latest posts Hi, I wonder if you could provide some feedback and advice. I have added a post for WorldNomads.com, as they are doing some really interesting philanthropic things with the Footprints Network. I'm new to this and are having trouble working out how to format the references properly. I had a lokk at other examples but couldn't quite see how other people are doing it: they all seem to have a single tag and I can't see where the actual list comes from. Also, if you can look again at the WorldNomads.com post and advise how I might improve it. thanks yuki —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yukif (talk • contribs) 11:17, 11 December 2008 (UTC) My best advice would be to spend some time exploring articles that might be similar to your organization, such as: Expedia, etc. If you click on the "edit" tab, when viewing the page, you will be able to view the formatting for references. You can also view the links in your welcome message to explore more about how to insert references and inline citations. You may notice, that even Travelocity and Expedia have been tagged as "advertisements." Websites are difficult to translate into encyclopedic form. You will probably receive several challenges. My best advice would be to devote your initial time to gathering references: sources online and in print, that can be used to establish notability. Also, you might want to continue to search for other Wiki articles similar to your organization, to see how the successful ones are worded. Your first attempt may not survive, but don't give up, "back it up", and try again (after becoming familiar with the welcome page guidelines). Cheers, and when you get some references ready, let me know and I can try to help you. --digitalmischief (talk) 11:26, 11 December 2008 (UTC) I added some additional links to your talkpage to help you "bone up" on "the wiki way." --digitalmischief (talk) 11:29, 11 December 2008 (UTC) RE: Welcome Thank you Digitalmischief for your welcoming message and the valuable advices. Yamanam (talk) 13:32, 11 December 2008 (UTC) A gift for you Please note the small gift in the upper right corner of your talk page. Toddst1 (talk) 16:21, 11 December 2008 (UTC) Yay! I love presents! This seems very helpful... is this something that is required, recommended, or given because I made the "naughty" list, instead of the "nice" list? ;o) --digitalmischief (talk) 01:26, 12 December 2008 (UTC) RE: FilesDump Speedy Deletion Hello! My page was created only for informational purposes and I really tried to make it solely informational. Please, could you tell me the exact reasons or why my page is not acceptable and exact reasons why it is violating Wikipedia terms? I would really appreciate your help! Thank you in advance! Looking forward to your reply Salvadorlee (talk) 16:39, 11 December 2008 (UTC) login: Salvadorlee Hi, and thanks again for contributing to Wikipedia. It's unfortunate that your first article was rejected; however it appears as if the website does not meet the requirements for notability. If you believe this is an error, it would be in your best interest to gather third party, objective sources for the information. You will need references to cite, from reputable articles, journals or online sources. The first attempt seemed to be more like information for a web directory, rather than an encyclopedia. You might want to search on Wikipedia for articles on other websites you are familiar with, to see how they are constructed. I can't really be too much more specific, because there was not enough information on the deleted article for me to assist you with finding sources. My favorite advice for new editors is to "not give up, just back it up." Cheers. --digitalmischief (talk) 01:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC) ShockHound Unlike the websites you named, this is a new site and not yet notable. It doesn't matter who owns it; notability is not contagious, nor hereditable. --Orange Mike | Talk 05:22, 12 December 2008 (UTC) This is a guideline, not a rule and the key words are "doesn't guarantee", not "automatically disqualify." I appreciate you using valid information to back up your position. However it still doesn't qualify as a CSD, it would be an AFD. Please allow me to finish listing the references and make a solid case for notability. Thanks again for your time. --digitalmischief (talk) 05:28, 12 December 2008 (UTC) Solomon Male I removed the speedy deletion tag from Solomon Male. He is notable per WP:BIO as the subject of multiple published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject. Please take another look and tell me whether you agree. I have no connection with the man, but read about him in the FT magazine, and easily found other articles online which seemed to me to have content of encyclopedic value. - Fayenatic (talk) 09:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC) I think I caught you mid-edit. I've removed the CSD and replaced it with a tag. Thanks for the quick catch. Cheers. --digitalmischief (talk) 09:17, 12 December 2008 (UTC) OK, thanks, but {{underconstruction}}? I thought I had composed quite a good finished product, and was not proposing to add any more for the time being. - Fayenatic (talk) 09:25, 12 December 2008 (UTC) You are off to a good start, but a completed article will look more like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones . I'd recommend leaving the tag until the article has been formatted properly. --digitalmischief (talk) 09:28, 12 December 2008 (UTC) Cheers. I agree that biographical info is needed, and hinted at this with the category about date of birth missing. Perhaps {{expand}} would be better? - Fayenatic (talk) 09:32, 12 December 2008 (UTC) Of course you can use whatever you feel is most appropriate for your article. I was only trying to save it from being deleted. I hope I didn't give the impression that you needed my permission. Happy Holidays. --digitalmischief (talk) 09:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC) Thanks! You're right, I needed it.  :) NawlinWiki (talk) 14:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC) Double thanks Double thanks for being so kind - particularly nice to get a barnstar today (it's my birthday). (Have responded at my talk page also). --VS talk 05:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC) Dent May Hello. My knowledge of Wikipedia's workings is very limited. I take it you've recommended that the Dent May article I just created be deleted, on the grounds that the subject is not significant (something like that). I don't know the mechanics of responding to such a recommendation. I don't know, for example, what an administrator is — and I'm afraid I can't be bothered to find out. I saw a music video by Mr. May on YouTube. It was good — and obviously professional. A Google search brought me to his MySpace page, where there seemed to be quotations from reviews his band has received. If you think this is a good reason to let the page stay in place, please let it stay. If you don't, just get rid of it. In either case, please don't explain your decision on my talk page. I won't have any idea what you're talking about.JohnBonaccorsi (talk) 06:29, 13 December 2008 (UTC) Hi, and thanks for taking the time to respond. I'm not sure quite how to respond to your comment. The phrase "I can't be bothered to find out" doesn't bode well for communication. You have been a member since June of last year, which seems to be plenty of time to explore the WP:STYLE and the WP:MUSIC guidelines, especially since you seem fond of contributing. If after reading these guidelines, at least on a cursory basis, you still have questions, I'd be happy to try to help then. Best wishes. --digitalmischief (talk) 06:36, 13 December 2008 (UTC) The name "digital mischief" doesn't bode well for communication either, does it — or is that what used to be called edgy?JohnBonaccorsi (talk) 06:50, 13 December 2008 (UTC) Postscript: Mr. May's MySpace page also indicates that, in March 2009, he will be playing at the Bowery Ballroom and SXSW, both of which have Wikipedia articles of their own. I ask you to forgive my tone of annoyance. As someone with, as I say, limited knowledge of Wikipedia's workings, I find it frustrating to have an article nominated for deletion before I've even formatted its footnotes. (This isn't the first time that's happened.)JohnBonaccorsi (talk) 07:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC) I understand that frustration completely, as I had it happen to the last article I introduced to Wikipedia... but the process keeps everyone honest and the articles unbiased. I would argue that using your sandbox (WP:SAND) will eliminate some of these problems, but the Music category is heavily patrolled, and an unfinished article sends all kinds of flags up through all the WP:PATROL software, everywhere on Wikipedia. If I hadn't flagged the article, it would have been flagged immediately by someone else. Please, Please, take a few minutes to scan some of the guidelines. This will save you a lot of future frustration.--digitalmischief (talk) 07:22, 13 December 2008 (UTC) Thanks for the information. I see another editor has deleted the page (although a redirect I also created — from "Dent May & His Magnificent Ukulele" — is still in place). On that editor's talk page, I will place a note that directs him to this exchange of ours, to let him see my argument, such as it is, for retention of the article.JohnBonaccorsi (talk) 07:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC) That's the winning spirit. Keep positive. --digitalmischief (talk) 07:29, 13 December 2008 (UTC) Thanks. I'm glad you think the article has come along. The editor who had deleted it directed me to news articles that enabled me to get it into shape.JohnBonaccorsi (talk) 00:57, 14 December 2008 (UTC) Have you seen the response I posted to your suggestion on the Dent May talk page? I explain that the MySpace footnotes can be eliminated simply via the removal of two words from the article. I'd like your opinion whether I should cut out those words and the footnotes.JohnBonaccorsi (talk) 17:38, 14 December 2008 (UTC) I've been working on trying to find some additional sources, but everything on the net is basically from the same press release for Dent's promo launch. To be honest, I'm not sure I could fend off a challenge on this one. Keep your eyes out, if you are still sold on this article. --OliverTwisted 08:56, 16 December 2008 (UTC) Status of The Display Team article? Hi, I just went to leave a message at User talk:U1234u to see if any proper references could be found to support the article and saw that it was up for Speedy Deletion. Is that still the case or is it worth persevering with the article? I have removed the references as they did not support the claims in the article and added notability and unreferenced templates but I fear it will be a struggle establish anything much that is notable. Lame Name (talk) 23:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC) OK - ignore all that as the article has now gone Lame Name (talk) 23:39, 13 December 2008 (UTC) The Five Keys of the Sphinx LOL. You and I are on the same page, in more ways than one. Cheers. --OliverTwisted (talk) 11:32, 14 December 2008 (UTC) I hope it's not a page in The Five Keys of the Sphinx, or we'll soon be running short of reading material... --fvw* 11:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC) Thanks for your kind words on my talkpage. That's pretty surprising considering I was probably overly-harsh with you. Another thing I would like to point out now that I see you like new page patrolling. An article that is one or two lines shouldn't be considered unnoteworthy. Plenty of great articles began as one line stubs. For example: [1][2][3]. BTW, I love your new name. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 17:37, 14 December 2008 (UTC) ACTORSandCREW Speedy Deletion? Hi there; not sure why the ACTORSandCREW page got deleted? We had it nice and footnoted with some decent sources, nothing was set to 'hype' the service and the article was quite dispassionate in it's tone. Please advise and recommend what we should do to restore it! Thanks! BroadswordCommunications (talk) 21:31, 14 December 2008 (UTC) Hi. I just wanted to take a moment to explain why the article ACTORSandCREW was flagged for deletion. Please keep in mind that I did not delete the article, as I do not have admin privileges. All new articles are flagged if they don't meet the guidelines for Wikipedia inclusion, as expressed here: WP:RS, WP:SPAM, WP:NOTE. The article ACTORSandCREW was reviewed by more than one editor before being deleted, to avoid any chance of bias. Please check your user talk page for warnings which were issued regarding the article, pictures, and the username: BroadswordCommunications. If after reading carefully WP:NOTE, WP:SPAM, and WP:NOTE, you believe the article meets the guidelines for inclusion, you may contact the admin who deleted the article and request that the article be reconsidered. This information can be found on the article deletion page. Please do not recreate ACTORSandCREW without addressing the notability issues, as this will speed the deletion process. Best regards. --OliverTwisted (talk) 05:20, 15 December 2008 (UTC) Thanks for the cohesive explanation, particularly the bits about the review process. I have a name change request in already (though it seems not to have taken effect yet), and I'm pretty sure that's what sent up a red flag. The article itself was entirely fact, and not *badly* annotated ;) Anyway, will do as you advised! Best regards BroadswordCommunications (talk) 07:33, 15 December 2008 (UTC) Rename Just happened to be around. I think your new name is pretty clever though. bibliomaniac15 06:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC) Nice. --Efe (talk) 12:18, 15 December 2008 (UTC) Thanks! ;o) --OliverTwisted 12:20, 15 December 2008 (UTC) Help needed to improve articles Dear administrators, I need some guidance on how to post Wikipedia articles. Each time I add an article, it is automatically categorised as 'spam' or 'promotional material'. Would be great if someone can help me improve on this article (title: RoboPresenter) before it is deleted. I added referencing, but they didn't seem to appear on the page. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charmainechen (talk • contribs) 08:16, 16 December 2008 (UTC) I've left several sets of links on User_talk:Charmainechen that should explain the repeated speedy deletions of the articles you introduce to Wikipedia. Unfortunately, there is no shortcut to meeting the guidelines for notability, as listed here: WP:NPOV, WP:SPAM, WP:ORG and WP:WMD. --OliverTwisted 08:36, 16 December 2008 (UTC) Matt hermer AFD I added a ref for the claim you talked about. One of the further reading links includes the same information as well. _ Mgm|(talk) 11:15, 16 December 2008 (UTC) Thanks for being diligent! This may be an example of an article which just really needs a good clean-up. --OliverTwisted 11:27, 16 December 2008 (UTC) Help in keeping article online Hello: I've been trying to post an article about Zong mobile payments. I don't want it to read like anything commercial. There's a real confusion out there as there's another article titled Zong, which happens to be a mobile operator in Pakistan. Zong is about mobile payments and it's the first mobile payments for the web that has managed to gather 67 mobile operators around a table to provide a unified payment interface to over 500 million mobile users. So it's not a small project, nor company. Could you please try to give me some guidelines to make that happen? I'm kind of new to posting on Wikipedia. Thanks!! Wikidavem (talk) 02:55, 17 December 2008 (UTC)