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What really Pentecostal Christians believe...

I'm a Pentecostal Christian myself, and many Pentecostals do not believe that speaking in tongues are necessarily a gift that accompanies baptism of the Holy Spirit. Although this creates the question of "Whats the difference between Charismatics and Pentecostals?", the main dividing is the time the groups separated from the mainline church.

Despite that the dividing line that appears within this article is the tongue speaking, the truth is that many Christians that believe in baptism of the Holy Spirit and do not think that speaking in tongues is a MUST still call themselves Pentecostal Christians.

Other articles attribute the difference between denominations as things other than whether tongues is essential, including the time of separation from the other denominations AND that Charismatics tend to stay within their own established and pre-made church societies.

Anyway, I feel the urge to change the article based on what I know and the knowledge on other articles (most coming from the article "Charismatic Movement".

Sorry for the rant,

ArchiveMaker 11:15, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I attend a Pentecostal church too (though not a member), and many of them don't have the gift of tongues, but they still call themselves pentecostals (all of the the major leaders do have it though). However, technically, by definition Pentecostals believe (or should) in the initial physical evidence of the Baptism of the H.S., which is speaking in tongues. By definition that's what a Pentecostal is (a reference to the day Pentecost in the book of Acts where all spoke in tongues, whereas "charismatic" comes from "charisma" : gift, or spiritual gift in this context (1 Cor.1:7)), at least by tradition (coming from the Asuza St. revival) and by majority.

Church of God in Christ (Doctrines) (see Baptism of the Holy Ghost)
Assemblies of God, 16 Fundamental Truths (See The Initial Physical Evidence of the baptism in Holy Spirit)
International Church of the Foursquare Gospel, (see Church doctrines section, "Baptism of the Holy Spirit")

Avielh (talk) 20:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The main objection I have is that the article, which should present both sides objectively, is entirely subjective and is more of an apologetic for the author's beliefs than a balanced source of information about both sides. That's in addition to any factual errors. This is a preaching piece.

Glimmertyme (talk) 18:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this page isn't very neutral or accurate. It's also organized poorly, as the headings don't divide the information into appropriate sections. The Pentecostal and Charismatic differentiation is rather strange. I've never heard of that distinction being made in that way.

Brownbug (talk) 19:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Cessationism?

Is there any good reason to have separate articles on Continuationism and Cessationism when they're both discussing exactly the same controversy? Please discuss this at Talk:Cessationism#Merger proposal. Chonak (talk) 05:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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	Is there any good reason to have separate articles on [[Continuationism]] and [[Cessationism]] when they're both discussing exactly the same controversy? [[User:Chonak\|Chonak]] ([[User talk:Chonak\|talk]]) 05:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)		Is there any good reason to have separate articles on [[Continuationism]] and [[Cessationism]] when they're both discussing exactly the same controversy? Please discuss this at [[Talk:Cessationism#Merger proposal]]. [[User:Chonak\|Chonak]] ([[User talk:Chonak\|talk]]) 05:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)