Talk:Adam Lambert

Welcome to the talk page for making improvements (including corrections) to this article. If you have suggestions please start a new thread at the bottom of the page if the issue you want to address isn't already being discussed.

Performance Order #.

Please do not remove this. I integrated this into the charts very successfully last season. (This applies to all of the Top 12 contenders.) It is factual information, in that it is an indisputable order in which the contestant performed on that particular night. And it is relevant to anyone doing a review or synopsis of the show who wants to analyze statistics and such. (Notice how all User:Cinemaniac86|Cinemaniac86]]^Oy_gevalt. 00:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually that would be fine on the season article but not on individual ones. Same with results column, it's redundant to what should be in the article text - "__ came in fifth", etc. -- Banjeboi 03:21, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Article overhaul

I intend to work on this article to bring it to GA like I did with David Archuleta from last year. This is a new and short article so I don't expect anyone would mind but I thought I'd post a heads up. -- Banjeboi 20:33, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Official Artist website

Adam's official website just launched at www.adamofficial.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kozpod (talk • contribs) 15:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Who was that man?

It says that Adam Mitchel Lambert was kissing another man. Who was the man he was kissing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.249.225.41 (talk) 23:03, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

We may never know. -- Banjeboi 02:40, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

On the photo account, it was tagged as "my lover/boyfriend Brad" in each one. Since Adam's single, it's obviously now an ex of his. But it's certainly not relevant for the article. However, hope the info makes ya happy, random IP person =).--Cinemaniac86^Oy_gevalt. 09:33, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

well, we do know, and have known. and we can even occasionally know what he eats for dinner or when he takes his showers, thanks to twitter. "we may never know?" very little private information about public figures is sacrosanct nowadays. 75.72.20.232 (talk) 07:05, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

It was Kara who said that "If I can't have you" was Adam's most memorable performance, not Simon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.110.238.163 (talk) 18:33, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Highlights Only

User:Cinemaniac86 has suggested that "it will be too cluttered in each Idol's individual article if you mention all performances - it's best to keep it condensed to the positives, for the Top 5" and that "Lambert's page mentions each and every performance - that is ridiculous". I agree, and am cleaning up the article so that, as with Kris Allen and Allison Iraheta, only the highlights are discussed. It's ridiculous to discuss all of Lambert's predicted 20 performances.--Yolgnu (talk) 03:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Exactly, thank you. Semi-positive performances are permissible though, I feel. Such as Kris's "Falling Slowly" (Randy aside, the others loved it.) and "Ring of Fire" (Everyone but Simon dug it.). But overall, it's basically best to only discuss the notable performances--the ones that get the most attention overall.--Cinemaniac86^Oy_gevalt. 03:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Ring of Fire was probably the most controversial performance in the history of AI, so it deserves to stay. I think most people have forgotten All She Wants To Do Is Dance by now, so that can stay out of Kris's article.--Yolgnu (talk) 03:58, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Religion

{{editsemiprotected}}It is notable that Adam is Jewish. Please add Jewish as the religion to the infobox with the following reference: http://www.jewishjournal.com/hollywoodjew/item/adam_lambert_the_jewish_american_idol_20090429/

Wikipedia guidelines say: Category tags regarding religious beliefs and sexual orientation should not be used unless two criteria are met:

   * The subject publicly self-identifies with the belief or orientation in question;
   * The subject's beliefs or sexual orientation are relevant to the subject's notable activities or public life, according to reliable published sources.

Adam does publicly identify himself as Jewish and it is relevant since he has performed at many Jewish events.

Thanks.

 Not done: The reference is a blog. To meet those criteria, you need some reliable source or sources in which he is quoted or said to have self-identified and somehow to have tied that to his notability. Celestra (talk) 14:56, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, there is this video of him singing Shir Lashalom in hebrew:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNb2Qsh0F_Q&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Epollsb%2Ecom%2Fpolls%2Fp2098688%2Damerican%5Fidol%5Fadam%5Flambert%5Fsings%5Fjewish%5Fsong%5Fhebrew&feature=player_embedded There aren't many people who just happen to pick up hebrew on a whim. It's pretty good hebrew, too. I don't see how it's related to the article, however, unless he's the first Jewish person to win. Then it might deserve a bit of mention. - 71.193.11.63 (talk) 19:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

155.239.195.240 (talk) 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC) There are some sources that state he is Catholic, and furthermore vidoes of Kris performing in Hebrew and is in fact Christian. There are testimonies out there that state his old MySpace Page stated this. Therefore any respecting human being may perform in any language to honour any culture or religion that he or she sees fit.155.239.195.240 (talk) 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Bottom 2

It should be noted that at no time during the 4/29 elimination episode did Ryan actually say that Adam and Matt were the "bottom 2" contestants. On the contrary, Adam, Matt, and Kris were presented as the bottom 3, Kris was sent back to safety, and then Ryan said it was "between Adam and Matt." I put this here simply because there has been much internet chatter over the possibility that Kris was sent to safety first as a means to create drama on the show, the presumption being that it would be a shock to viewers to see Adam (a perceived frontrunner) standing in the spotlight with Matt as one of the "bottom 2." No action necessary, really, just making a point that this particular topic seems to have become a point of contention over the past week. Bodypuzzle (talk) 04:16, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. Other editors have been attempting to change "bottom 3" to "bottom 2". This article in Reality TV World supports your statement. Also, sources such as this one at MTV.com seem careful to say "bottom three" but not "bottom two". Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

picture?

It would be nice if there could be a picture of him on the page. That's all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.106.4.94 (talk) 04:01, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Allison/Adam versus Kris/Adam

The Kris/Adam friendship is discussed in reliable sources. If the Allison/Adam friendship has similar sources, use them. If not, you simply can not "source" your observations to YouTube videos and interpret them as you like. That's original research and it's not allowed. Unitanode 16:49, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They're not just "various YouTubes". They're footage from the show and an uncontroversial interview with Rickey Minor. I'll remove the "I love you" bit since it could be misinterpreted. All I'm doing is recording Rickey Minor's opinion.--Yolgnu (talk) 01:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

The point is, videos are primary sources, which are not allowed to be used as sources. Unitanode 20:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

• If you continue to add poorly sources material to this BLP, you will be reported. We've been patient enough with you on these matters. Either find a reliable source (not a primary source) for your addition, or it stays out. Unitanode 22:39, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Categories for sexuality

Yes, he's most likely gay. No, he hasn't self-identified in any reliable sources. No, the categories don't belong, at least not yet, and if they keep getting added to this WP:BLP, the people doing so will be blocked. Unitanode 23:13, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. -- Banjeboi 01:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Question!!

is it okay to add stuff about kris & adam's friendship? for example (i got this from topidol.com--yea, i know it's a blog & i think they got it from kris's official fansite): "Adam painted Kris's thumbnail after the homecoming visits and removed the polish from one of his own nails, stating 'If you can carry around a piece of me, man; I can do the same for you.'" or is that just completely irrelevant. 76.197.57.235 (talk) 01:32, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Seems too trivial; if we were writing a book it may make for interesting filler. -- Banjeboi 01:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Years active

I think 2008 isn't the right date since Adam definitely had a career in music before this. What's the qualification for years active? Regardless of what it is, it's definitely not the one that's listed. Kyuu (talk) 04:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Adam's iTunes rankings

Top 100 Songs: #4 Mad World, #16 A Change Is Gonna Come, #36 One, #40 Cryin', #45 Slow Ride, #64 The Tracks of My Tears, #68 Ring of Fire, #77 Whole Lotta Love, #89 Black or White, #98 Born to Be Wild Top 100 Albums: #1 Mad World, #2 No Boundaries, #3 A Change Is Gonna Come, #15 Cryin', #16 One, #19 Mad World, #23 Slow Ride, #26 Favorite Performance, #30 The Tracks of My Tears, #33 Ring of Fire, #41 Whole Lotta Love, #45 If I Can't Have You, #50 Born to Be Wild, #54 Play That Funk Music, #56 Black or White, #58 Feeling Good Top 100 Music Videos: #6 Mad World, #8 A Change Is Gonna Come, #9 Mad World, #11 No Boundaries, #12 The Tracks of My Tears, #25 One, #30 Cryin', #44 Play That Funk Music, #45 If I Can't Have You, #51 Born to Be Wild

• As of May 21, 2009 Adam has 10 songs, 16 albums and 10 music videos on iTunes respective charts. Adam has more albums on the iTunes chart than any other person in history.

The issue as always, is sourcing. Do we have independent sourcing of this or a way to confirm the Itunes data? -- Banjeboi 09:46, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

the iTunes rankings are trivial. Billboard is what matters.--23prootie (talk) 11

02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. It's policy to not include iTunes rankings, only Billboard.--Yolgnu (talk) 11:08, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I completely disagree that Itunes ranking, aka sales, are trivial, they seem to be the leading seller of digital music. To me the issue is only that we provide context and sourcing which I think has remained an issue with Itunes. We do include Itunes information if it is otherwise sourced, that is my point. -- Banjeboi 11:12, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Proof of Lambert's Sexuality

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/05/22/adam-lambert-talks-idol-finale-sexuality-katy-perry/

It States "As to whether the speculation surrounding his sexual orientation impacted the final vote, Lambert simply laughed, and answered, “Probably.”"

I Think This Answers That Question —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bvernon199 (talk • contribs) 17:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

If the question is "is Adam Lambert gay," then no, it doesn't. It only states that speculation over whether or not he is gay was part of the outcome. As far as I know, the only thing Adam himself has said, in the context of acknowledging that photos of him kissing other men are authentic, is "I know who I am." Maybe he's gay. Maybe he's bisexual. Maybe he's straight but he kisses men. We don't know. Exploding Boy (talk) 17:36, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, we do have plenty of sources that state he's openly gay so we can talk about the subject but we should do so conservatively. There is quite a bit of media coverage if his being gay impacted the final vote so that is likely where the content should be addressed. I'll do it if no one else does. -- Banjeboi 20:17, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not saying I don't think he's gay, only that this source doesn't confirm it. Exploding Boy (talk) 22:00, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem, I was more addressing the issue but agrre we have to stick with the sources and let them lead. -- Banjeboi 22:33, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a simple formula for certain types of discussion. Lets use the Duck Test on Lambert and see where it gets us.--Jojhutton (talk) 22:36, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Lol! The duck test won't be acceptable in this case I'm afraid although that's an interesting proposal. We're in no rush and the world will keep spinning until we find NPOV and reliably sourced way to include this content and context. -- Banjeboi 23:04, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:DUCK is only an essay, useful in some instances, not in others. In this instance, if we have reliable sources indicating Adam's gay, then let's use them. But french kissing someone of the same sex does not lead to the inescapable conclusion that someone is gay, as the "duck test" suggests. Exploding Boy (talk) 23:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Adam Lambert and Queen

While I think Adam Lambert is one of the most gifted singers since Freddie Mercury, I don't think that Brian May's comments in any way lead to the conclusion that they're considering him as a member of the band. All the cited says is that Brian May respects him as a great singer ("That is one amazing instrument he has there") and that he, Brian, would like to talk to him regarding potential collaboration. As a lng time Queen and since Hollywood week Adam fan, I think they'd be very well suited, although I have major doubts as to whether any such collaboration should be billed as Queen. Therefore I'm going to reword that section to reflect more accurately what Brian May said, rather than what people would like to read into it. Wavy (talk) 17:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

OK, because of the (probably necessary) semi-protection on the page, I can't make that change, but I would be grateful if some one would. Wavy (talk) 17:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 Not done

The source, Billboard, is reputable, the title of the article is "Queen Considering 'Idol's' Lambert As Frontman" with the lead sentence - "American Idol" runner-up Adam Lambert's performance with rock band Queen on the finale of the TV singing contest this week has the British band thinking about a new front man. supporting exactly what we have. -- Banjeboi 19:49, 26 May 2009 (UTC)