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SFWMD

I just created the stub article on South Florida Water Management District. It's huge, and I'm intimidated. Your assistance is invited. --Moni3 (talk) 15:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Today's featured article

William Cooley is the featured article for 4 January 2008 on Wikipedia's main page. It is one of WP Florida's most recent featured articles, and one of only five non-list featured articles. Horologium (talk) 04:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Florida indef semi-protection

After another spate of IP vandalism to Florida (after semi-protection expired), I requested long-term semi-protection for the article, and it was indefinitely semi-protected. After 10 previous semi-protection episodes in the last year, it was finally recognized as a long-term vandal magnet.

Just thought the members of the project should be informed. Horologium (talk) 00:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

well, that sucks..... --Kimon^talk 02:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Featured List of the Day

Hear ye, hear ye! List of sister cities in Florida has been selected to be a February List of the Day, to be featured some time during February 2008. See User:TonyTheTiger/List of the Day/voting/200802 for the record of voting for February featured lists. Congratulations to all who have contributed to this list. --Orlady (talk) 03:55, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Next Florida Meetup

Please feel free to discuss the next Florida meetup location(s) here. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 12:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Somewhere closer to me, since that's what it's really about ;) --Moni3 (talk) 13:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

1. Please express your proposals on the page I linked.
2. I'm trying to make it in the middle of Florida so people from different Florida areas can participate. Obviously everyone's going to want it right down the street from where they live.  :-) - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 22:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Florida Memory Project Archive photos

Anyone know if photos here can be used on Wikipedia? Specifically, this one or any other of Marjorie Stoneman Douglas after 1923? --Moni3 (talk) 00:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Unless the copyright holder releases the photo under a free license, the only way to use it is to craft a strong fair use argument. One thing that helps is that since Douglas is dead, it is no longer possible for someone to take a picture of her and make it free. -- Donald Albury 03:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Edits at Citrus County, Florida

Could someone else look at the edits in Citrus County, Florida and the related discussion at Talk:Citrus County, Florida. I don't have the patience to deal with it, and need to pull back before I do something I'll regret. -- Donald Albury 14:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

A massive project has now begun at Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Florida

• Some of the members of Wikiproject University of Florida have taken the initiative to start expanding the famous alumni who have attended the University of Florida. Their are currently over 630 Alumni, and well over 300 athletes. This is a massive undertaking (the project will take many years), and I was hoping that since UF is under Wikiproject Florida's jurisdiction, that we may get some additional help from the members of this project. This is completely optional, no pressure. Thanks Jccort (talk) 17:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

• This is the list we will be working on: List of University of Florida people. As you can see their are about a thousand people that have profiles listed, and the overwhelming majority are just mere stubs. Jccort (talk) 17:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Miami's Little Havana Article

I'm just a frequent user, not an editor, but I'm virtually certain that Little Havana was not named after Soulja Boy. You might want to correct that and check the article for other inconsistancies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.241.98.96 (talk) 23:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Several Sizable Shopping Malls In Florida Need Pages

I was somewhat surprised to see that we had a page for the Lakeshore Mall in Sebring but not for, say, the Lakeland Square Mall in Lakeland. I just created that page myself, and by the time some of you read this I'll start a stub for the Lakeside Village, also in Lakeland. A few other malls that are missing are the Eagle Ridge Mall in Lake Wales and the Paddock Mall in Ocala. If anyone's interested in reviewing the two Lakeland pages I'm writing or in making the pages for the other two shopping malls, let me know. Sidestreamer (talk) 01:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I wrote that article on Lakeshore Mall, and was a bit surprised (and relieved) to see that it made it through AFD, but unlike the two malls you mentioned, it is the only mall in its county, and in fact the only mall in the Florida Heartland, which is why there are a surprising number of articles about the mall in the Tampa Tribune, mostly from the Highlands Today issue of the paper. There are a number of malls in Polk County which are bigger than Lakeshore, but they lack the monopolistic quality which that mall enjoys. Malls and shopping centers (unless they are really big or have some sort of noteriety) tend to get nuked on a fairly regular basis, so be aware that Lakeside Village might disappear when Wikipedia's mall mafia discover it. Lakeland Square (with >800,000 sf) is likely to survive, though. Eagle Ridge is about 660K (too small), but Paddock Mall is the only mall in Marion County, although it also falls under the 800K sf super-regional mall threshold (it's even smaller than Eagle Ridge, with 555K sf). Although WP:MALL was rejected as a formal guideline, it's a useful reference for understanding a lot of the arguments that are articulated at deletion discussions. Horologium (talk) 19:47, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll admit I'm not completely familiar with the guidelines wikipedia has on what makes something "notable" (I'm not editing stuff every day, but once in a while I like to add content if I know about something and I don't see a page for it, as was the case with Lakeland Square Mall and Lakeside Village). I already had a taste of the mall mafia as you called it... somebody posted a "notability" tag on my article a mere 40 seconds after I posted the Lakeside Village article. I know I'm not arguing from a wikipedia-legal standpoint, but Lakeside Village's draw is substantial as it's effect on the city of Lakeland... I'm still researching it and I'll add to it to back myself up but I believe it's worth an article, as was Lakeshore Mall for the reasons you stated. Sidestreamer (talk) 20:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Newsletter

Any thoughts on starting a newsletter for this project? - DiligentTerrier (and friends) 19:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, this project seems to run very hot and cold, and currently, it's cold. One of the busiest editors, Donald Albury, is on a wikibreak, and outside of flurry of activity on Miami from a couple of good editors (working to fix the article), and some work being done by the UF project, not much seems to be going on in the areas covered by WP:FLA. If a couple of editors were willing to contribute to a newsletter on a continuing basis, it might help revitalize the project and give it some direction. I'm willing to contribute, but not as the editor; perhaps a bot operator would be willing to do the collation and mailing of a newsletter. Horologium (talk) 20:44, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I could write the newsletter, and deliver them with my bot - if there is interest. - DiligentTerrier (and friends) 18:07, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I just saw this. I agree with Horologium that interest waxes and wanes with the project. I'm currently in the middle of rewriting the Everglades article and the inevitable satellite articles that it will spawn. I hope to get them all to FA status. Plus, I have an FAC that I just posted about, below. --Moni3 (talk) 21:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Ideas for Florida articles from the Florida Humanities Council Discover Black Florida Website

http://www.discoverblackflorida.com/ , the Florida Humanities Council Discover Black Florida Website, describes a number of places in Florida which might be notable enough to have their own articles on Wikipedia. I created an article on Seaboard Coast Line Railroad station (St. Petersburg, Florida) based in part on its listing at http://www.discoverblackflorida.com/index.asp?CommandSites=detail&SiteID=154 --Eastmain (talk) 20:10, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I hope they keep up with this site and continue to add to it. I'm eager to see how it grows. --Moni3 (talk) 21:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Marjory Stoneman Douglas is at FAC

Just a heads-up, if anyone is interested, that Marjory Stoneman Douglas is up for Featured Article. You can see the nomination here. --Moni3 (talk) 21:49, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Everglades

I'm working on expanding this article in quality and quantity. To address everything that should be included, and to keep it from being too large, I'm creating satellite articles. I'll write four in all (maybe five), and I have two already posted to the mainspace. I would like all the satellites as well as the main Everglades article to be FA quality, and I'm looking for some folks to assist with copy and content editing. Some of the areas are beyond my specialty, like geology, but they need to be included. If you find any glaring errors, please let me know. So far, the articles I've posted are Indigenous people of the Everglades region, and Geography and ecology of the Everglades. Thanks in advance! --Moni3 (talk) 14:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

State of emergency

There is a worldwide article on State of emergency which includes the US as a aubsection. I have suggested in their discussion that the US be forked and blended into a series of state articles on individual states responses to crisis. The Florida article might complement Florida Division of Emergency Management but would discuss distinctions not present there - overriding property rights, availability of government help, that sort of thing.Student7 (talk) 12:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup

Currently, 632 of the articles assigned to this project, or 13.6%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 18 June 2008.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. Subsribing is easy - just add a template to your project page. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 17:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I have added the template to our main page. Hopefully, we'll see something in a few days. Horologium (talk) 20:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme

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Need help with WZNZ

WZNZ needs some help. The present edit as well as the edits immediately prior to June 4 have some information that I've been assured is accurate, but I can't find any proper references for them. Can those of you who have access to local media build this article up to GA status? Thanks. Also, if anyone has verifiable history on that radio station, including previous call signs on AM1460 out of Jacksonville, please add them. I kind of botched things on June 4 when removed a large amount of unreferenced material and replaced it with information from the FCC that, as it turned out, I misinterpreted. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

New census data out

The 2007 Census data tables for incorporated city population and metropolitan area population are out, and I will be going through and updating the population for cities in my watchlist. If anyone else would like to update population figures, it would be greatly appreciated. The tables are in Excel (.XLS) format; the city tables list population for each year beginning with 2000; the 2007 figures are the ones farthest to the left. Each state has a separate spreadsheet for city populations; I have linked the Florida one. The tables can be found at the US Census bureau site:

• http://www.census.gov/popest/cities/tables/SUB-EST2007-04-12.xls <-Florida city population spreadsheet (only Florida cities)
• http://www.census.gov/population/www/estimates/metro_general/2007/CBSA-EST2007-01.xls <-Metro/Micropolitan population spreadsheet

I don't have a bot or use automated tools like AWB, so I'm not going to try and update all the figures, only the cities that I currently have on my watchlist or with which I am otherwise interested. Horologium (talk) 13:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I have AWB, but I'm not too sure how I can effectively script it such that it won't affect other portions of the article, so if someone can help me in that area I guess I can run the script. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 17:59, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Rename Wikipedians...Miami to match photo requests category

I suggested that Category:Wikipedians in Miami, Florida be renamed to add the county, so the photo requests will point at the correct category. I noticed the category mismatch in Talk:Wolfie Cohen's Rascal House. The category has a link to the discussion area. -- SEWilco (talk) 04:31, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Orlando, Florida

I'd appreciate it if anyone with some spare time on their hands could take a look at this trainwreck. It needs a lot of cleaning, pruning, and subpaging, but I don't think that I can do it by myself. If we can get some sort of consensus on the changes I have proposed on the talk page, this high-profile WP:FLA article might be a candidate for a GA push, but as it stands right now, it's just awful. Horologium (talk) 17:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Let me take a look. I'll comment there. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 03:13, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Newsletter

Any new thoughts on starting a newsletter for this project? - Diligent Terrier (and friends) 23:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Would hopefully spark some new interest in the project. --Moni3 (talk) 14:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Pre-request for comment on Everglades restoration article merging

An editor has, in my opinion, overzealously nominated Everglades as a Featured Topic before I think the articles are ready. One of the issues that has arisen at the nomination is the status of the article on Comprehensive Everglades Restoration Plan. When that was suggested as a reason the topic should not be featured, the allegedly overzealous nominator redirected the CERP article to the FA-status Restoration of the Everglades. I know he didn't have the background and knowledge to do such a thing because I don't think *I* should make that decision. So, I'm asking, based on the editors of WP:Florida's knowledge of CERP and the recent issues involving the Everglades, 1) if the CERP article is necessary to bring to GA for the Featured Topic (that I hope to re-nominate at some point in the future), and 2) should the article remain by itself or be merged into another article with more information? I have my own opinions, but I'm uncomfortable being the only person to make decisions on this issue. --Moni3 (talk) 14:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

In general, I prefer a series of smaller related articles over trying to cram too much into a main article. Comprehensive Everglades Restoration Plan is pretty short now (in fact, it seems to be shorter than the section on the subject in Restoration of the Everglades), but I assume it can be fruitfully expanded. Hasty redirects to deal with comments in a Featured (whatever) nomination are not a good way to build quality. I think the determination of what to do here needs more discussion of what pertinent information is available from reliable sources, and how much of it is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. -- Donald Albury 15:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

There is a lot of information available on CERP not only from its own website, but in The Miami Herald, New York Times, science publications, and other materials. When it was passed, it was hailed as the most expensive and comprehensive environmental restoration project in human history, and a marvel of bipartisan politics. Since then, however, it rather has fallen on its proverbial prat. I'm just really Evergladesed-out right now and I don't have the concentration to expand this article as is needed to get it to GA or FA. --Moni3 (talk) 15:17, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

To answer 1), as a regular over at WP:FTC, I would (and have!) oppose if Comprehensive Everglades Restoration Plan is not included. However, to answer 2) I would not oppose seeing CERP merged into Restoration of the Everglades#Comprehensive Everglades Restoration Plan, as this section looks quite substantial to me. But it's ultimately up to you guys to decide whether the CERP should get its own expanded article or not and certainly the quality would be better if it did - rst20xx (talk) 15:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

While I am not a big fan of merging for the sake of getting a Featured Topic, Moni's extensive work on Restoration of the Everglades#Comprehensive Everglades Restoration Plan makes a redirect less of an issue, with the potential to expand it back into a full article of its own. The CERP article is pretty bare-bones, and is covered far more in depth in Moni's Everglades article. Horologium (talk) 17:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

My opinion so far is that Comprehensive Everglades Restoration Plan probably shouldn't be required for a Featured Topic on the Everglades, but it certainly deserves its own extensive article as a landmark piece of legislation on environmental repair. Because its importance has been diminished since it passed into law in 2000, it is unfortunately not core to the topic of the Everglades as it should have been had it remained a priority to the current presidential administration. But the plan is very detailed and technical. I used the Summary only for the Restoration of the Everglades article. The entire plan is over 4,000 pages long (you can get it on CD format from the CERP website if you want, which I would have to do to bring it to GA or FA). It has information about geology, soils, hydrology, and the architecture of manmade aquifers, quarries, stormwater treatment areas, water containment systems... it's quite daunting. But so was Everglades itself when I started on it. --Moni3 (talk) 19:55, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Huge change in the Florida Community Colleges System

• Okay so evidently last year the Florida Legislature changed the mission of most of the Community Colleges in Florida. Basically they will all pretty much be offering Bachelor degrees now. The Legislation stipulated that it would now be called the "Florida State College System". So I would like to discuss if we should move the old name of the article to show the changes? Here is a link:[1]

I personally am in favor of changing the name Jccort (talk) 14:55, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

The situation still seems to be a bit murky. Note that the Florida Department of Education has a "Florida College System Task Force" and a "State College Pilot Project". There does not seem to be a "Florida State College System" established yet, and it is not clear that all community colleges will become 'State Colleges' for now. In the meantime, some schools are simply dropping 'Community' from their names (Santa Fe College), while others are substituting 'State' for 'Community' (Daytona State College). -- Donald Albury 16:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Right now, only a few colleges have changed their names, and it's likely that some of them will continue to remain "community" colleges. Six colleges have changed their names, and I know that a couple of us went through and changed the names (and added references) to Broward College, Indian River State College, Santa Fe College and Daytona State College. When I last checked Polk Community College had not changed its name on its website, so I didn't move it; that may have changed. Horologium (talk) 19:50, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Gainesville meetup

I've just created Wikipedia:Meetup/Gainesville, Florida, date and place to be determined. Add your input to the planning. -- Donald Albury 15:35, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Florida

Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.

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Ours are here, specifically. And the columns are sortable. --Ebyabe (talk) 23:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)q

Draining and development of the Everglades on main page Sept 22

Just found out. I need help with vandalism and responding to serious and not serious queries on the talk page. I have a function at work I'll be organizing and won't be at a computer for most of the day. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. --Moni3 (talk) 17:11, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Miami River (Florida) GA Sweeps Review

Just a heads up for the project that Miami River (Florida) has been placed on hold following its GA Sweeps Review, which can be found here. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:39, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Image needs replacement

Hello all...

An image used in the Biscayne National Park article, specifically Image:Biscayne.JPG, has a little bit of a licensing issue. The image was uploaded back when the rules around image uploading were less restrictive. It is presumed that the uploader was willing to license the picture under the GFDL license but was not clear in that regard. As such, the image, while not at risk of deletion, is likely not clearly licensed to allow for free use in any future use of this article. If anyone has an image that can replace this, or can go take one and upload it, it would be best.

You have your mission, take your camera and start clicking.--Jordan 1972 (talk) 01:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Article request

Hi all,

While working on Tropical Storm Hanna (2002), I linked to Seagrove Beach, Florida, which is a redlink. Any help creating that article would be appreciated. Cheers, –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 02:14, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Key Biscayne GA Sweeps Review

Just a heads up for the project that Key Biscayne has been placed on hold following its GA Sweeps Review, which can be found here. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:39, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Florida articles needing geographic coordinates

17 articles in Category:Florida articles missing geocoordinate data do not have geographic coordinates. Coords are useful for making the article appear on Google Maps & many other mapping services; and they allow our users to click through to see the article subject location on a map. There's a short guide to on how to add geocodes to articles ... it really is very easy to do. I hope you'll take some time to ensure that Florida is as well represented as it can be on wikipedia by fixing up the listed articles. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:00, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I fixed that link for you, chief. You had a link to the Arizona list. Horologium (talk) 01:05, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Anyone would think I was cutting & pasting to all 51 State wikiprojects. Perish the thought. Still, it's an excellent project which I can highly commend to you all. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:12, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

What is the maximum high school eligibility age in Florida for regular students?

I am making the The_Villages,_Florida#Education section - Since it allows residents age 19 and older (primary homeowners must be 55 or older, though), that means high school students are allowed. However what are the Florida laws on high school students 19 and older? Are children under 21 allowed? Or is it under 20? WhisperToMe (talk) 22:05, 11 December 2008 (UTC)