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Prod-ed this a few days ago, author did not remove prod but is new to Wikipedia and it is clear he'd like to contest the prod. He has added some references since that time and I'm assuming will continue to do so but I'm still not sure that it meets notability criteria. Rather than decide on my own I decided to bring it here for community debate. See also comments on the article's talk page, and his assertions here that he is using the page as advertising (that notwithstanding though, if the subject is deemed notable it should stand, right?). PageantUpdater talk • contribs 23:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Extra note by nominator: please see author's comments on my talk page re this afd. Cheers. PageantUpdater talk • contribs 00:21, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No possible justification for extending the notability of these contests as far as this. DGG ( talk ) 00:02, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Historical documents pertaining to article are still being populated, yet references are abundant despite the Google sources cited herein. Wikipedia style methods and references to be adjusted according to Wikipedia standards. How do I go about finding out which changes need to be adjusted to be in accordance to Wikipedia standards? AlistairBooya (talk) 02:16, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The issue is that this is likely a subject that no matter how much work you do on it there is no way to make it meet the notability criteria. Its been a while since I was involved in this sort of thing but from what I've done in the past I know you need evidence of significant news coverage, preferably more than just local coverage. Nothing I've seen so far shows that this local has reached that threshold. I accept that I might be wrong in that opinion (and hope for your sake that I am considering the amount of work you've put in) hence I brought it here to be discussed by the community. Not everything justifies a Wikipedia article no matter how much you may want it to, and the discussion here will give certainty to the matter. It sucks, I know. I also know that the Miss America's Outstanding Teen state (not local) articles were considered non-notable after I'd gone through and created an article for each state pageant. Eventually all the articles were merged into a single one. It sucked, but these things happen. Its just Wikipedia. PageantUpdater talk • contribs 05:15, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I can see how this could become an issue if every local pageant were to put their program up for review. Not all of them would have sufficient coverage. I can only hope that more users will comment to Keep this at least for the time being so that the AfD gets removed, if not just for another month to see what the response may be and to continue populating. I hope to continue populating the regional pageant information as to garner more interest for these scholarship programs. Might as well keep updating for another 5 days.AlistairBooya (talk) 05:50, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The talk page declares that Miss Grays Harbor "pulls up 23 results in a Google news archive search going back to the 1940s," yet ignores the fact that this same contest pulls up 11,100 hits at www.google.com itself. In the newspaper of record for this contest in Grays Harbor, Wash. there are 193 articles going back for the past decade on this contest alone. I would suspect hundreds more going back since 1949 that have not been digitized. Obviously Google is not connected to the deep archive of the daily newspaper of record, The Daily World (www.thedailyworld.com). Could this item use some editing? Yes. Is it worth deleting? No. Reportersteven (talk) 09:50, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Remove "wiki" "facebook" "twitter" "myspace" and "hydroplane" from your google search and you'll be left with about 150 results. Read through those and you'll see that almost all are not the sort of thing that counts as significant coverage in reliable sources. Many are from other Miss Washington local pageants or the Miss Washington website itself, others are mirror sites. I think very few of them are suitable for establishing notability. I think it pertinent to mention as well that your comments on this afd are your first edits on Wikipedia since July 2009 and you are obviously an acquaintance of the author's on twitter (quote "@AlistairBooyah Put the same info on the official Web site, which will serve as your officiasl source, and then use citations based on Web "). I don't have a vendetta against your or your organization as it might appear, I just think that Wikipedia's notability should be robustly defended. PageantUpdater talk • contribs 00:32, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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