Talk:¡Ay, caramba!

Merge

Oppose as per Simpsons Neologisms talk page.--Anchoress 07:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Missing information

Seems odd that this article doesn't say what "ay, caramba" actually means! It gives etymology and meaning for "ay" and for "caramba", but doesn't actually state a meaning for the phrase as a whole. 86.6.4.136 19:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Ditto that.... what does it mean? Sethie 02:17, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Corrections

Actually, Americans learn most of their few Spanish words and phrases from Mexicans, which are North Americans, not South Americans. So changing "South American Spanish" to "Latin American Spanish" is an attempt to include Mexican Spanish into the picture.

I changed Aye carumba to Eye carumba, because the pronunciation of "aye" is not that obvious for people under a certain level of education, where as the pronunciation of "eye" is. Afterwards I changed "carumba" to "carahmba", since "uh" and "ah" aren't always pronounced the same in every English-Speaking region, and Spanish "a" is closer to "ah" than to "uh". -Carlvincent.

what??

"ay caramba" does NOT specifically mean disgust... it is rather a generic expression used for any surprise. Here in Mexico it is not used commonly in daily speech because it is often replaced by more vulgar remarks such as "ay, wey!" or "ay, potassio!". Also, "ay" does NOT necessarily denote pain; again, it is used when there is a surprise of any kind, not mattering if there is pain or not. I think this should be changed in the article. BTW I'm in Mexico and I have lived here all my life. Yo sé lo que digo :p —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.175.150.23 (talk) 16:28, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

Meaning of word - is it vulgar?

I learned this expression Spanish class decades ago so it is not primarily a Simpsons neologism. It seems to be considered quaint. People often laugh with or at the speaker when one of modest ability in Spanish uses it, which I take to be a recognition that it is archaic, kind of like saying "oh, drat" or "holy moly" or "tarnation" in English. The article claims it is a penis reference but does not say whether it is considered vulgar or taboo. I suspect it is not. Any further sourced information on this would be very interesting for the article. Wikidemo 06:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Use in ISIRTA

The word was used on various occasions by John Cleese in I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again the 1960s BBC radio series that led on to things like The Goodies and Monty Python. Cleese would deliver a highly dramatic line completely deadpan, obviously reading it from a script in which he was uninterested, and then add "Caramba" at the end in the same tone to make it exciting. Never failed to get a laugh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.92.135 (talk) 14:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Redirect

Why does Holy Crap! redirect to That '70s Show Episodes? I'm changing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Stone Cutter (talk • contribs) 20:41, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Simpsons

"It is commonly misspelled on Simpsons merchandise." - In what way? --TimothyJacobson (talk) 03:13, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Redirected

Since all. other usages are unsupported OR and unsourced for quite some time I'm going to be WP:BOLD and redirect to Bart Simpson which I believe has actually sourced references to the phrase. Nobody seemed interested in fixing this and to trim all the OR information would gut the article down to essentially the same references found in Bart SimpsonCat-five - talk 21:43, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

• I've reverted your page move/redirect, reason being explained to you on your take page. Please do not do this stunt again without gaining a consensus first, thank you. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™} 14:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

See my respone here. I won't get into a revert war over it but this is just saving time. Also I resent you're "don't try this stunt again" language, you don't have to agree with my edit but that doesn't give you the right to assume bad faith or personally attack for it. Cat-five - talk 00:03, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

• Please read Wikipedia:Don't assume, thank you. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™} 06:24, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Consensus to redirect

I don't remember the exact templates we're supposed to use to mark this on the top of the page (I'll look into that) but I propose that this page be redirected to Bart Simpson. I did this unilaterally as I believed it would be uncontroversial but for reasons I won't speculate on Dave does not believe there is consensus so I am bringing it here to discuss.

I removed all unsourced information from the article per policy which leaves the true content of the article which I do not believe is sufficent to warrant an article specifically for this when it can be covered in the Bart Simpson article. On top of that while it should not be a major factor the first listing for the search time "Ay Caramba" is Wikipedia's Bart Simpson article as can be seen here. Cat-five - talk 00:19, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose: 1.) google is just a search tool, we should never use it as a true way to ascertain the popularity of a loan word or phrase; 2.) we can leave out the redirect as the article is quite relevant by itself; 3.) per Wikipedia:Common sense, the popularity of western cowboy matinee shows back in the days of TV/network infancy is something we should keep in mind even before we start to become overzealous in our effort in cleaning up the article from OR/Unsourced.

In short, let's not tear down the house just because it is in the process of being build and is still severely lacking in several area. That is all. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™} 06:50, 11 June 2010 (UTC)