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I am considering requesting permission from [http://www.freewebs.com/itv2/ this] website's admin to use if's excellent picture archive here. I'd like people to have a look and determine if the pics would be relevant here. <small>&mdash;''The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by'' [[User:159.134.113.91|159.134.113.91]] ([[User talk:159.134.113.91|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/159.134.113.91|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->
I am considering requesting permission from [http://www.freewebs.com/itv2/ this] website's admin to use if's excellent picture archive here. I'd like people to have a look and determine if the pics would be relevant here. <small>&mdash;''The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by'' [[User:159.134.113.91|159.134.113.91]] ([[User talk:159.134.113.91|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/159.134.113.91|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->
:I would say go for it, hopefully they will let us use the pictures withing the guidelines for image use copyrights or something. Maybe can get some [[Bus Éireann]] images from the same site, just dont go overboard with to many images with the small amount of txt. --[[User:Boothy443|Boothy443]] | [[User talk:Boothy443| trácht ar]] 03:56, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
:I would say go for it, hopefully they will let us use the pictures withing the guidelines for image use copyrights or something. Maybe can get some [[Bus Éireann]] images from the same site, just dont go overboard with to many images with the small amount of txt. --[[User:Boothy443|Boothy443]] | [[User talk:Boothy443| trácht ar]] 03:56, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

==Comfort section==
An anonymous editor thinks that I have being unduly harsh on the comfort section; so lets reproduce it here (labelled for ease, original formulation of text) and give my reasons:
<blockquote class="toccolours">
Most services are on [[double-decker]] buses. The conditions on Dublin Bus vehicles can be described as basic.{{fn|1}}
* Seats are configured together tightly, this can cause discomfort to taller passengers.{{fn|2}}
* Standing is not allowed upstairs or on the stairs but this rule is often not enforced.{{fn|3}}
* On many rush hour services, some passengers must stand downstairs.{{fn|4}}
* There is no air conditioning.{{fn|5}}
* Smoking has been forbidden on all services since the 1980s. This rule is largely respected by passengers.{{fn|6}}
* Specified seats must be conceded to the elderly or disabled.{{fn|7}}
* Most buses can accomodate (only) one wheelchair passenger.''{{fn|8}}
</blockquote>

{{fnb|1}} From the travelling I have done through Britain and Ireland conditions are not basic, they are pretty much the same as everywhere else. Someone might be misled into thinking people are hoarded as if into cattle trucks. I don’t think this evaluation (i have made) is unreasonable or outlandish, standards are pretty much "bog standard" - boringly the same as elsewhere.
{{fnb|2}} Again seats are very much the same density as most bus services and people are not unduly squeezed in together, remember that it is a short range bus service (10/15 kilometres at the most), on some of the countries best roads and streets, not a cross country service.
{{fnb|3}} People rarely stand up stairs but people don’t wait for the bus to get to a stop before they leave their seat, else they would miss it. Again its a short range bus service, if people would rather stand upstairs and pay for the privilege that’s their choice.
{{fnb|4}} This is a fact of modern travel, rush hour capacity is not infinite. In any modern city this is accepted as a fact of public transport. Some people would rather stand downstairs than sit upstairs.
{{fnb|5}} Its Dublin, its never hot enough to need air conditioning (certainly not to justify fitting out a fleet). Very few urban buses are air conditioned.
{{fnb|6}} This remark is essentially trivial and and such self defeating as it adds little.
{{fnb|7}} What sensible, able bodied person would not?
{{fnb|8}} How many wheelchair bays should we have? two, three, four... If their is a reason why wheel chaired bound people do not come out more I doubt its this.

Maybe on the positive side it could be condensed down to relevant points, but as a single paragraph. Any comments from other parties. [[User:Djegan|Djegan]] 20:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Revision as of 20:43, 31 March 2006

Pics

I am considering requesting permission from this website's admin to use if's excellent picture archive here. I'd like people to have a look and determine if the pics would be relevant here. The preceding unsigned comment was added by 159.134.113.91 (talk • contribs) .

I would say go for it, hopefully they will let us use the pictures withing the guidelines for image use copyrights or something. Maybe can get some Bus Éireann images from the same site, just dont go overboard with to many images with the small amount of txt. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 03:56, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comfort section

An anonymous editor thinks that I have being unduly harsh on the comfort section; so lets reproduce it here (labelled for ease, original formulation of text) and give my reasons:

Most services are on double-decker buses. The conditions on Dublin Bus vehicles can be described as basic.Template:Fn

  • Seats are configured together tightly, this can cause discomfort to taller passengers.Template:Fn
  • Standing is not allowed upstairs or on the stairs but this rule is often not enforced.Template:Fn
  • On many rush hour services, some passengers must stand downstairs.Template:Fn
  • There is no air conditioning.Template:Fn
  • Smoking has been forbidden on all services since the 1980s. This rule is largely respected by passengers.Template:Fn
  • Specified seats must be conceded to the elderly or disabled.Template:Fn
  • Most buses can accomodate (only) one wheelchair passenger.Template:Fn

Template:Fnb From the travelling I have done through Britain and Ireland conditions are not basic, they are pretty much the same as everywhere else. Someone might be misled into thinking people are hoarded as if into cattle trucks. I don’t think this evaluation (i have made) is unreasonable or outlandish, standards are pretty much "bog standard" - boringly the same as elsewhere. Template:Fnb Again seats are very much the same density as most bus services and people are not unduly squeezed in together, remember that it is a short range bus service (10/15 kilometres at the most), on some of the countries best roads and streets, not a cross country service. Template:Fnb People rarely stand up stairs but people don’t wait for the bus to get to a stop before they leave their seat, else they would miss it. Again its a short range bus service, if people would rather stand upstairs and pay for the privilege that’s their choice. Template:Fnb This is a fact of modern travel, rush hour capacity is not infinite. In any modern city this is accepted as a fact of public transport. Some people would rather stand downstairs than sit upstairs. Template:Fnb Its Dublin, its never hot enough to need air conditioning (certainly not to justify fitting out a fleet). Very few urban buses are air conditioned. Template:Fnb This remark is essentially trivial and and such self defeating as it adds little. Template:Fnb What sensible, able bodied person would not? Template:Fnb How many wheelchair bays should we have? two, three, four... If their is a reason why wheel chaired bound people do not come out more I doubt its this.

Maybe on the positive side it could be condensed down to relevant points, but as a single paragraph. Any comments from other parties. Djegan 20:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]