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Yeah, it's tough with these projects. You really need some sort of critical mass to develop. Perhaps we should pare the inactive editors off the list. I'd be willing to go to Elting ... I don't live that far away. Daniel Case (talk) 02:48, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

I was hesitant to ask because you've already helped out with Wallkill Valley Rail Trail, but if it's not out of your way it would be great. Maybe you'll find some nice historical info for one of the hundreds of articles you keep churning out – seriously, you've done a lot.
--Gyrobo (talk) 02:51, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

South Park (season 13)

I saw that you stated you withdrew your oppose vote because of the addition of the image at South Park (season 13). I would appreciate it if you would continue to review the entire article to ensure it meets the entire FA criteria, and state on the page whether you feel it does and why, or whether you feel it doesn't and provide some feedback as to what needs improvement. As you've probably seen, this article has become entirely consumed by the image issue, and it doesn't have a chance at passing unless it's reviewed according to the entire FA criteria. Thanks! — Hunter Kahn 15:56, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. --Gyrobo (talk) 16:08, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for taking the time to do this. It's much appreciated. Also, since I see you now support this, maybe you could strike your earlier oppose vote, just so things aren't confusing for the FA delegate. :D Thanks again! — Hunter Kahn 16:38, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

• Sure thing. --Gyrobo (talk) 16:41, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Hi, Gyrobo

Happy New Year!

Let me tell you about something funny: My colleague just told me that in his country, when new year comes, everyone forgets his or her disputes or bitter arguments with his colleagues and buries the hatchet. I say a a good thing to do, but such a tradition has nothing to do with us, does it? At least I don't remember, for example, me and you ever having a dispute, bitter argument or anything like that. Still, if I remembered any grudge against anyone in the past years, I'll just speedy-delete it from my mind.

Enjoy the new year. Fleet Command (talk) 21:31, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

You too. Have a good year. --Gyrobo (talk) 03:55, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Writing a good article

Hi again, Gyrobo

I see that you've worked on multiple good articles. I've never written a Good Article myself before. (Though I worked a lot on Microsoft Security Essentials article, which is now a good article.) So, I thought I asked you: How much is the chance of TuneUp Utilities for becoming GA? Fleet Command (talk) 13:14, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I will try to answer although I wasn't asked.

I do think that the article has a chance to get GA, but you need a little more work.

• what does this software costs?
• more inline citations(3rd party) and images for the different versions? (are there own articles for every versions?)
• (nothing for ga process, but) are there more wikiprojects you can lists this software? maybe WP windows
• maybe a little comparison with similar software and / or future plans(if there any public information)

mabdul 14:00, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Mabdul about the need for inline citations, there are a couple of paragraphs with no sources. And in the History section, I don't think you need separate subsections for each year. It might be better to combine all the one-sentence paragraphs into larger paragraphs. Right now, the history section reads just like a version changelog rather than prose. You may want to blend the Critical reception section into History, describing how the press reacted to each version (because critical reception is also part of the product's history). And as always, I'd say take a look at the good article criteria, and also this unofficial essay for writing good articles. If you intend to one day make the article featured, you may want to see the FA criteria and where it differs from the GA criteria.
--Gyrobo (talk) 18:51, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, I can take care of citations. Additional screenshots can also be easily arranged; though I am a bit worried about WP:NFCC. But how about stability? Is the current condition considered stable? Fleet Command (talk) 21:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I've always read the stability criterion to be about edit wars and contention over content. If all you're doing is moving the content around and adding to it, it shouldn't hurt the article's chances at promotion. There are only two nominations at WP:GAN#Computing, so it probably wouldn't take that much time to get a review. Additional input can only help the content, and may come up with a better overall structure for the article. You may want to nominate the article once you find enough sources. You might also want to move those two refs from Further reading to somewhere in the body, it seems like they should be citing something.
--Gyrobo (talk) 22:19, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar

Thanks much for the barnstar, and thanks for your support in the FAC. I can't believe what a mess it turned out to be, but I'm glad it made it! :) — Hunter Kahn 02:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

You're extremely welcome. I myself have had a FAC open for two months, and am equally aware of the glacial and sometimes dispiriting nature of the process.
--Gyrobo (talk) 02:10, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

GA Walden–Wallkill Rail Trail

I have placed your nomination on hold to address a few concerns. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 04:22, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing it! I believe I've addressed your concerns. --Gyrobo (talk) 04:52, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

2011 Tucson shooting

Moved to Talk:2011 Tucson shooting#Lead sentence style

Hello again! I just noticed that you removed the comma, which I'd assumed was lost in the shuffle. As described at Wikipedia:Basic copyediting#Common edits (eighth item), we treat the state as a parenthetical, so the comma belongs. (I've never cared for this convention, but it's widespread.) Thanks! —David Levy 21:16, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

And by the way, thanks very much for this edit. I sincerely appreciate it. —David Levy 21:20, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

GA Hudson Valley Rail Trail

I have placed the article on hold. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 12:03, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you again for reviewing one of my GANs. --Gyrobo (talk) 19:55, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome. There are three minor points that remain to be addressed on the review page. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 21:42, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

La Stazione

Seems like you made out OK there (I would have supported that name; it hasn't been a rail station in many more years than it's been a restaurant). Daniel Case (talk) 16:15, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. The editor who moved it wasn't really experienced, and I don't think they realized that move requests involved discussing the move. --Gyrobo (talk) 16:31, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

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Internet Explorer 9 Features

Hi, Gyrobo. Internet Explorer 9's section seems a bit dull to me. You think we should use a screenshot like those seen here? Fleet Command (talk) 05:39, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Too many, eh? Three non-free images won't be too many, would it? Currently, there is only two, in IE9. Microsoft Security Essentials has three (had four) and never had any trouble getting a GA status. So, I think IE9 shouldn't have any trouble with three screenshots. I can also trim the non-free contents out of ACID3 screenshot if necessary. Fleet Command (talk) 16:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

GA reviewers tend not to place that much emphasis on image licensing, but during FACs I've seen reviewers object to DVD cover art and official congressional portraits. It's just something to keep in mind.
--Gyrobo (talk) 19:14, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm... I see. It's judgment call. But do they decline it outright if they find such images, or do they give us a shot to remove the images? (Sorry, for the five-day delay. I was away.) Fleet Command (talk) 19:27, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

They'll have a discussion over whether the images are completely necessary and can't be replaced by free images or plain text descriptions (See Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/History of Sesame Street/archive1 for such a discussion). But getting Internet Explorer 9 to FA status isn't just a matter of having good images and editing it for style – the software hasn't even been released yet, so there's no information about how the final version was (will be) received by the public and press. It probably wouldn't even pass a GAN until after it's released; the guidelines prohibit nominations of unreleased films for exactly those reasons. My advice is to just work on adding sources and expanding the content before illustrating it with images.
--Gyrobo (talk) 19:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Why not getting some other IE article to FA? I mean IE8, IE7 or IE6 have potential to get the status with some work... mabdul 21:15, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Random Smiley Award

For your contributions to Wikipedia and humanity in general, you are hereby granted the coveted Random Smiley Award.
(Explanation and Disclaimer)

♠TomasBat 02:11, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll continue to act randomly. --Gyrobo (talk) 02:12, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Hiking infobox

Thanks for the tips about the infobox. I'm not sure what I'll do. I use geoboxes for river articles such as Fanno Creek, but I plan to use ideas from your infobox even if I end up using a geobox. Finetooth (talk) 03:19, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. I didn't even know about the box myself until two or three months ago when I was looking through trail articles.
--Gyrobo (talk) 03:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hudson Valley Rail Trail

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Alphabetical order

Hi, re this edit: two of the stations which you moved, Østhorn (station) and Ås Station are in Norway. The characters Ø and Å are considered to be letters in their own right in the Norwegian alphabet (which has 29 letters), and are not accented versions of O & A. In that alphabet, they come 28th and 29th respectively (the 26th and 27th being Z and Æ). The two stations should therefore be listed after Z. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:49, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

That's how I originally had it, but WP:GA/ET seems to just treat them as diacritical marks. I'll move them in both places.
--Gyrobo (talk) 21:40, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi Gyrobo, and congrats with the Walden-Wallkill Rail Trail FA article! Since I expanded and GA nominated these two article, maybe I should drop a note. It is true that the ÆØÅ characters are proper characters in the Norwegian alphabet and are thus not similar to Ö and Ä. They are also treated as such in Template:Oslo Metro and this GA list. What confuses me, is that they are sorted as diacritical marks in the list of Oslo Metro stations, but that's perhaps because of the sorting function in the table. I therefore will recommend treating them as proper letters at both WP:STATIONS and WP:GA/ET. Bw --Eisfbnore ^talk 21:28, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

The table sorting script definitely treats them as mere diacritics, but that's just how modern web browsers handle them. We should definitely respect the characters where we can.
--Gyrobo (talk) 21:53, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Interested?

I'm working with User:Todd Beeton to rewrite Kirsten Gillibrand's article at User:UpstateNYer/Gillibrand. Beeton is the web director of her campaign. Would you be interested in helping? You did a great job with New York's 20th congressional district special election, 2009, I figure you're pretty qualified to help out. No pressure, just asking. upstateNYer 03:44, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll help where I can. I'm doing a little research right now to get La Stazione and Rosendale trestle up to FA-caliber, but I should be done with that tomorrow. The CD and HV projects could totally use more high-quality biographies.
--Gyrobo (talk) 04:29, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Have another look at the draft rewrite. I've made some significant progress. It could probably use some editing, though. upstateNYer 23:31, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

FA Walden-Wallkill Trail

Congratulations on the FA. You must have set a new speed record for an FA article. Racepacket (talk) 07:06, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually, MissingNo. was promoted after only two weeks. It really does help when an article isn't that long, though I'm hoping our copyedits will speed up the Rutherford B. Hayes FAC. Judging from the last review, the only major remaining issue was with the prose.
--Gyrobo (talk) 15:38, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

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renamings

Sorry to take a while getting back to you ... a lot of messages to me built up while I was down in Washington and I've been trying to get back to him as my time allows.

In response to your suggestions ...

1. All Saints' Chapel (Rosendale, New York) to Rosendale Library: yes, let's do it, I had thought the same thing myself.

1. I suppose so, given that the city is probably better known than the town. But not all such pairs in the state have been similarly renamed (Batavia (town), New York and Batavia (city), New York, for instance). We should probably seek some consensus for a statewide change limited to city/town pairs (let's save village/town pairs for another time).

BTW, hadn't realized you came down to my backyard on Christmas (not that I was in town that day ... my son and I were stuck down in New Jersey for two extra days due to the snow) I actually have warm-weather versions of both of those shots of the Walden trailhead that I took back in September, if you'd like. Daniel Case (talk) 01:38, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! If you have shots of the trail sporting autumnal foliage, that would be perfect; I was going to retake all those photos in April anyway, in preparation for (hopefully) a May 2 TFA. If you have any photos of a generic section of the trail for the infobox, the Borden Estate, the unimproved northern section or the Walden welcoming center, those would really help. I didn't realize you lived so close, that's crazy. Is there any part of the trail's history that I missed? I thought that Mabee's book and the Record articles covered everything important, but as with the other Ulster County rail trails, there's a time gap of about five years between what the books cover, and what's available online.
--Gyrobo (talk) 02:52, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, the Walden welcoming center is the old WVRR station now in Wooster Grove. Wouldn't be hard to shoot a pic of that, really. I also have some pictures of the markings painted onto the road as you walk to the beginning of the trail from the Wooster Grove parking lot.

Let me look at the article ... I may even refer it to Susan Cockburn, who was town supervisor when a lot of the initial planning work was done. She knows more than I do, and might be helpful in finding sources. Daniel Case (talk) 04:28, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the welcoming center is not the old train station; the station is now a teen center, also in the park. I thought the same thing at first, because an old Record article said they were going to renovate the station as a welcoming center, but Walden's Park Department and whoever wrote the original article convinced me otherwise. If you could find more sources, that would be awesome! The fact that this trail hasn't really had a common name and isn't particularly well-known has made it hard to find info. The Perls book basically considered it a continuation of the Wallkill Valley Trail.
--Gyrobo (talk) 04:42, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

WVRT commonscat

Per my promise to you from around, oh, Christmas, I have finally gotten around to creating and populating the Wallkill Valley Rail Trail category at Commons (in addition to cleaning up the categorization of the pictures in it and moving those that were still hosted here to Commons*). I also put the usual box for it in the xlinks section. Daniel Case (talk) 18:28, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Or, rather, copying those pictures to Commons and putting the usual F8 notices on the image page, which should lead to them finally getting deleted from here in the usual six months or so.

Thanks again! That's really great, but the only qualm I have is that File:Gardiner NY Rail Trail.jpg appeared as part of a DYK last November; I'm not sure how that affects the deletion process.
--Gyrobo (talk) 18:31, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/USS Constellation vs L'Insurgente/archive1

I believe i have fixed all the things you pointed out in your comments, i was wondering if you support now?XavierGreen (talk) 23:22, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Your Article on HTML Formatting

Mr. Gyrobo,
I have read your article of last year on the formatting of HTML.
Your article was not in compliance to the standards we feel necessary to adhere toward following.
Further, you seem to have a lack of debonair when it comes to the common formatting of the subject.
HTML topics may not be used for criticism ... ah I'm just messin' with you. Have a nice week =)
Good to see you again, --206.71.78.158 (talk) 20:56, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Rosendale Village, New York

Hello! Your submission of Rosendale Village, New York at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Thelmadatter (talk) 01:08, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. --Gyrobo (talk) 01:38, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Rosendale Village

I went ahead and added my thoughts. I suggested a new hook which I think keeps your fact and may appease some concerns. Hopefully someone will approve it shortly. Best.4meter4 (talk) 22:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't think your new hook works, for the reasons I described on the talk page.
--Gyrobo (talk) 22:56, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I let it go to let another comment. His comment was the same as mine. You refuse to moderate... its your way or the highway. No one author of a DYK piece gets final say on the hook or even if it appears at all. I just stated the obvious. Besides, its way past time to get Rosendale Village off the suggestions page one way or another. I argued that long with you out of courtesy, but you ran out my patience.Thelmadatter (talk) 02:01, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

You told me that the article did not support the hook. I made the article more explicit, and you immediately recused yourself. At no point was I trying to argue, and I do not consider your approach to the situation or your later comment courteous.
--Gyrobo (talk) 02:22, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Re Harriman refs

Well in 5 years of writing I've never used that system to the degree to where I know how to put it together, so I kind of do suck at it. ;) - Mitch32^{(Erie Railroad Information Hog)} 16:41, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Fires of the Frozen Lower Wikipedia Barnstar

		Barnstar of Excellence
		For your outstanding contributions to Wikipedia. For being an excellent editor with an exemplary track record. For being consistent in your approach to editing articles. For always reverting vandalism. For your diligence in research. --CABEGOD 08:00, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Dude, that's awesome.
--Gyrobo (talk) 14:22, 20 February 2011 (UTC)