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Cats in Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya contributions to Indian railways‎

Greetings, of the cats I removed:

• Category:India: way, way, way too broad. Only a mere handful of extremely general categories belong in a country's top cat
• Category:Rail infrastructure in India: the "History of rail transport in India" would imply infrastructure as well, so this is redundant
• Category:Railway lines in India: the KGK are not a "rail line"; this cat is properly for rail lines themselves, not topics happening to touch upon the issue.
• Category:Railway bridges in India, Category:Railway stations in India: as above, the KGK is not a bridge, not a station
• Category:Social movements in India: not a movement, it is a working community, so I could see Category:Social groups of India, or other cats covering ethnic/labour groups. A "social movement" would be something like "The All-India KGK Advancement Society", which this article is not.

I totally agree that the most specific cats should be applied, but only when they immediately apply to the article. I do note someone removed the cat "Gurjar", which, by the name of the group, would seem to be applicable. MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:33, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Consider it this way, follow the link and note that Category:Railway bridges in India is a listing of, not surprisingly, actual bridges of railways in India. It is not used to categorise types of steel which are used in Indian bridges, interesting sights which may be seen from said briges, crimes which occurred on said bridges, etc. It is a category for bridges themselves. The KGK are not a bridge, therefore they do not belong in the category. They are a professional/social group in India, they are a Gurjar subset, and they are part of Indian railway history, so those cats are applicable. MatthewVanitas (talk) 06:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Question

Hello! I've noticed that you used your review rights to reject my edit: [1]. You restored IP 84.2.98.93's version that contains obvious vandalism (unexplained deletion of an image & referenced text) and personal attacks against me. Can you please give me a valid reason for this action? (Iaaasi (talk) 14:29, 23 January 2011 (UTC))

Yes - I am trying to find references for the topic now and will be returning to the article in a short while to try and restore some sense into the issue.

If you read my comments on the talk page, and my edit comments, you can see that I am saying that referring to him as Romanian, or talking Romanian for that matter, is not possible as Romania did not exist prior to 1859. Chaosdruid (talk) 14:34, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

You did not answer my question(Iaaasi (talk) 14:36, 23 January 2011 (UTC))

I did not restore the edit as the viewable version was as per the version of 89.2.98.93.

You have continually edited the article to put in the "Romanian" claim to the detriment of the "Hungarian" claim. It is my view that this is an edit war over a long period of time and reflects the ongoing nationalistic fighting over whether Hunyadi was "Romanian" or "Hungarian". At the end of the day it seems to me that he was both. When he was born the area was a Hungarian state, making him a Hungarian, and it is likely that the Român peoples inhabited the area - even though there is no written evidence for this, making him of the Roumain people. This is especially true if he was indeed of a Hungarian father and Român mother.

Chaosdruid (talk) 15:44, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

re: your message

Hi Chaosdruid, I've left a reply to your message on my talk page -- Marek.69 ^talk 15:47, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Number of big articles

The number of 5000-K articles you copy edited for the drive is incorrect. For extra-large articles, you get credit for one 5000-K article for each 5000k of content. In other words, the epic Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya is worth six 5000-K articles. You therefore have 16 5000-K Articles, and win the Gold Leader Board Award! Congratulations! --Diannaa ^(Talk) 01:15, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

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Status bar

That status bar is cool. How'd you get that?--The Master of Mayhem (talk) 21:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, at the top. I saw it on the top of your 'page as well.--The Master of Mayhem (talk) 21:09, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but would you mind giving me a hand with the status bar? You're in charge, 'cos I made a pig's ear of it. I hope that's fine with you.--The Master of Mayhem (talk) 22:06, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, that's fine.--The Master of Mayhem (talk) 22:31, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Are you on about the "Status:Online" thing or whatever it says. That's what I'm looking for.--The Master of Mayhem (talk) 23:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Eh?

What happened here? --Closedmouth (talk) 08:40, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Status bar

It's nearly done. How do I change "Unknown" into "Online"? It's bugging me. And as for the tabs... --The Master of Mayhem (talk) 09:12, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I added a bit to the second code, and it was a success. Thank you.--The Master of Mayhem (talk) 09:19, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

GOCE January Backlog elimination drive conclusion

Guild of Copy Editors January 2011 Backlog elimination drive Greetings from the January 2011 Backlog elimination drive! We have reached the end of the month and the end of another successful drive; thanks to all who participated. Statistics 54 people signed up for the year's first Backlog elimination drive. Of these, 40 participated. One of our goals was to reduce the size of the backlog by at least 10%. We managed to reduce the backlog by 633 articles, or about 12%. Another goal was to eliminate as many 2009 months as possible from the queue. We eliminated January, February, March, and April—4 out of 12 months is not bad! In addition, we eliminated 37% of all remaining 2009 articles from the queue. Chaosdruid copy edited Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya for 32,711 words, which is the largest single article completed in one of our drives so far. This article counts as six 5000-K articles, and Chaosdruid wins the "most 5000-K articles" leaderboard category. Way to go! A complete list of individual results is here. Barnstars If you copy edited at least 4,000 words, you qualify for a barnstar. If you participated in the November 2010 Backlog elimination drive, you may have earned roll-over words (more details can be found here). These roll-over words count as credit towards earning barnstars, except for leaderboard awards. We will be delivering the barnstars within the next couple of weeks. Thank you for participating in this year's first Backlog elimination drive! We hope to see you in March. Your drive coordinators –S Masters (talk), Diannaa (talk), The Utahraptor (talk), and Tea with toast (talk)

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sorry - was eating a sandwich :¬) Thx very much ! Chaosdruid (talk) 17:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

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RE/ Need to move my barnstars to a separate page at this rate

Thanks for your comment (not). Do you want to sign my guestbook while- no, you already signed.--The Master of Mayhem (talk) 21:27, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

GOCE barnstars

	The Most Excellent Order of the Caretaker's Star
	For exceptional copyediting efforts during the Guild of Copy Editors' January 2011 Backlog elimination drive, copy editing articles with a total of 157,462 words, I hereby induct Chaosdruid into the exclusive, brilliant, Most Excellent Order of the Caretaker's Star – SMasters (talk) 07:34, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

		Special Barnstar: Largest Single Article
		This Special barnstar is awarded to Chaosdruid for courageously editing the largest single article during the Guild of Copy Editors' January 2011 backlog elimination drive – Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya (original size: 32,711 words). Your contributions are highly appreciated! – SMasters (talk) 07:34, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

		The Guild of Copy Editors' Award
		Leaderboard Award–5K Articles–First Place It is with great pleasure that I bestow on Chaosdruid the prestigious Guild of Copy Editors' Gold Star Award, for completing the largest number of 5K articles (16) – 1st Place – during the Guild of Copy Editors' January 2011 Backlog elimination drive. Thank you for your contributions. – SMasters (talk) 07:34, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

		Leaderboard Award—Word Count—3rd Place
		This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Chaosdruid for copy editing an impressive 157,462 words during the WP:GOCE January 2011 Backlog Elimination Drive. Thank you so much for your efforts. – SMasters (talk) 07:34, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

		Leaderboard Award—Article Count—4th Place
		This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Chaosdruid for copy editing 57 articles during the Guild of Copy Editors' January 2011 Backlog Elimination Drive. Thank you so much for your efforts. – SMasters (talk) 07:34, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

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		For the following amazing copy editing: 32,711 words Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya during the Guild of Copy Editors' January 2011 Backlog Elimination Drive. – SMasters (talk) 07:34, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Misunderstanding

Chaosdruid:

I think there's been a misunderstanding. I took special care to preserve your edits, since they were all prescient. The previous editor, however, had deleted far too much, and too suddenly (rather than in increments). His intention was obviously good, but it was too much to do without consensus, or even a simple suggestion. I merely restored deleted material which was already there.

Let me emphasize that I surgically re-inserted your edits while preparing mine, and that many of his were kept as well. Because what I restored had been there for over a year (at least), and because readers were probably accustomed to that approximate layout, we should perhaps put the article back to that last version of mine (with your edits), and I would strongly support you in any further typo and redlink fixes you'd make. I'd probabably be amenable to deleting some of the more flowery language, as well, but ask only that you ask me, if you'd like to delete entire paragraphs or sections.

Let me know what you think.

All the best, Sherlock4000 (talk) 21:00, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Argentina

Chaosdruid, as I've written in the talk page of Argentina, I'm at pains to explain that no part of the article was wiped out, deleted, nuked, or otherwise. I believe it's only logical to continue the expansion of, say, the culture section in the Culture of Argentina article while reducing the section itself, to keep the main article from ballooning in size (which it did, time and time again).--LK 21:18, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Reply on Talk:Argentina Chaosdruid (talk) 21:33, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello again.

Choasdruid, your edits were excellent, and I wouldn't change a thing about them. If I left one out, do please reinsert it, along with anything else that might need your fine-tuning. My qualms were only with the other editor's large excisions.

I restored some of these, but respected LK's cuts where the info was clearly repetitive (particularly in the Economy and Economic History sections).

Thanks again, Sherlock4000 (talk) 21:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Chaosdruid:

I'm working on them as we speak.

Sherlock4000 (talk) 21:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Hey Chaos (Druid?), I think I finally restored all of your edits. Can we now please talk about cuts? I'm looking at the demography and culture section. And, I liked them better before.--LK 22:23, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I beg your pardon, but I deleted nothing of yours in my last couple of edits, except for a hidden phrase in "Etymology" that LK himself labeled as implausible (I can assure you it's nonsense). I took care to change nothing of yours.

Look, the "economy" section is grossly repetitive, the IAPI poster irrelevant (that may belong in "Economic History of Argentina," or in an article about the agency itself), and the creator of blood transfusions and the Nobel Prize winner should be there instead of the Leloir Institute (which bears mention, but not a photo in exclusion of those others). You'll find that my version covers all the ups and downs in fewer words, and with more focus on the key turning points (my parents are Argentine, so they and their parents actually lived through many of them).

Thanks again for your interest. Most people here in the U.S. don't know where Argentina is, much less about its people and stories.

Sherlock4000 (talk) 23:21, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Chaosdruid:

You certainly know how to talk to people. You've convinced me that the article is in good hands, and I will defer to you in general. I ask only that you ank LK keep cuts to a reasonable minimum, and that you at least consider my version of the economy and its history (I'll add it to the talk page).

You mentioned Perón and Argentina's fall from grace. The damage in the country's reputation owed far less to his welcoming Nazis (a policy started shared by the U.S. in Operation Paperclip, as well as the U.S.S.R.) , as it did to his nationalizing the country's cereal export business. You see, the move cost leading landowners millions, and they retaliated by both squirreling money in Uruguay (they still do), and by turning Washington and London policymakers against Argentina (shortsightedly hoping this would lead to his overthrow).

The name of the agency he created to monopolize grain exports? You guessed it...IAPI.

Considering what you mentioned, perhaps the poster was à propos after all.

Thanks again for your time and trouble.

Sherlock4000 (talk) 23:48, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

DYKCHECK

You can find out more about this tool on Wikipedia:DYKCHECK. It's mostly used to check whether an article has been expanded five-fold in a given number of days, which is a requirement for WP:DYK eligibility. On the other hand, it can also be used as a simple word counter.-- LK 23:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I tried Prose Size, and the end result is very similar. But what should we do about the article? I added some calculations for the demography section as well and I'm more convinced than ever that those two section are too large, and that something should be done to fix this.--LK 23:49, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Can you use the current version of the economy section as a basis for further edits, since it's the larger of the two?--LK (talk) 00:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I'll refrain from editing the mainspace Argentina article until you are around. I'm confident that Sherlock will do the same.--LK (talk) 00:35, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi Druid! Just wanted to let you know that I'm back. If you have time to work on the article Argentina, I'm available.--LK (talk) 17:23, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Help request

The Guild of Copy Editors needs your help! As you already know, the Guild of Copy Editors has a Requests page where editors can list their articles to request a copy edit. During January and February, the requests have been arriving at the rate of several every day, and we are getting a bit behind! As one of our prolific editors and a January winner of a leaderboard award, we are hoping you can spare some time to help us get caught up. If you are interested in lending a hand, please select one or two articles from our Requests page and do a copy edit. Help a little or a lot; it's good karma! Thank you very much for any assistance you can offer. Your GOCE coordinators –S Masters (talk), Diannaa (Talk), The UtahraptorTalk to me, and Tea with toast (Talk)

Aldo Moro

Thanks so much... --'''Attilios''' (talk) 18:21, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I think one can learn much of Italy's true history from Moro's end. Well, the opinion I got is that until 1974 there was a wave of "black" (post fascist) terrorism (one example: Piazza Fontana bombing), led mostly by Carabinieri's officers (most also of anticommunist stance) in the Italian intelligence. Then the "black" terrorists were discredited... curiously, one the "black" was overthrown by their masters (and in fact they reacted killing many Carabinieri), Mario Moretti took the lead of Red Brigades after that the previous leaders (Renato Curcio and Alberto Franceschini) had been timely arrested. Curiously, Moretti had been informed that they could be arrested, but did not warm them. Moretti also came from a right-wing family and had relationships in the "black" nobility. For me it's clear that he was infiltrated: let's look at his judicial fate. Franceschini, who had revealed many things and did not fire a single shot, got out of prison a few months before Moretti, officially sentenced to six life punishments!!! Some say that the computer firm in which he currently works is nothing but a façade used to "reward" former collaborators of Italian intelligence. Returning to Moro, for me it's also clear that after a while the BR gave him to another organization, likely the Banda della Magliana, who finally killed him as decided by DC's right and post-fascist officers of the intelligence; in exchange, instead of being arrested, BR gave the silence about Moro's revelations. To be cleared the sinister role of Senzani, a Florentine intellectual I did not mention in the article (he was perhaps the director of Moretti's questions to Moro), and, like Moretti, was perhaps another infiltrated of the intelligence. It's clear that there was a substantial convergence of wills desiring Moro's death after his capture. He perhaps condemned himself by writing that he was revealing many secrets he should not speak of, like Gladio (whose existence was publicly spoken only after the Soviet Union's dissolution, in 1991). In the end, he was a victim of militarization of BR led by Senzani and Moretti, substantially the new puppets of the strategy of tension in Italy under the Carabinieri/Propaganda Due intelligence. Once the Italy really decided to wipe out the terrorism, in the mid-1980s, they had an easy game with it. Hope I didn't confuse you more... --'''Attilios''' (talk) 19:09, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Ciao! Thank you for your nice help... So, as for the lake, I think it's very small and unimportant (I'm from Rome too but never heard of it before reading about Moro affair), thus we could leave the Lago della Duchessa name. For what concerns the involvement of Soviet secret services, surely they had some little role, but more in disinformation in increasing the supposed role of CIA in the matter. I think Moro's kidnapping was 100% triggered by Italian organizations, from the intelligence-infiltrated BR (Moretti is always pivotal), to P2 and the Italian intelligence itself. I doubt that a government with PCI would be less corrupted than its predecessors. The proof is that, once in 1990s former Communists came to government they proved incompetent and corrupted as any Christian Democratic or Socialist before them!! Ciao and good work!

Barnstar!

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	For copyediting The Lightning Thief, you receive this barnstar! --Perseus8235 15:43, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Reflist

Hi, you say that the reflist is not necessary on the Argentine page but it is throwing errors to the maintenance lists. Please can you include it or take the project to your sandbox. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 15:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi - Category:Pages_with_missing_references_list, which is a part of the Backlog Drive & so is being more frequently visited than normal. - Sitush (talk) 15:34, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

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Argentina Changes

Actually I simply didn't notice that you were around, you should have dropped me a message. Anyway, any step taken to reduce the article's size to a more acceptable level is extremely welcome from my point of view. Though I still think that it's the culture section the one with the most fat to cut. If Sherlock also agrees with your changes, I'd say it can be moved to mainspace immediately.--LK (talk) 19:06, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Chaosdruid:

I added my proposed changes to the Economy section. I feel these would say more with fewer words, and stick to the critical turning points while still leaving in the most important recent developments (readers would be referred to Economic history of Argentina for any further curiousity they may have on the subject). I'd leave out the IAPI poster, because it is an anachronism that had a noteworthy but fleeting effect on the history (it was dissolved in 1956, and never returned). The British investment in port facilities and rail networs from 1876 to 1914, on the other hand, were a transforming experience that continues to shape the economy today. The nation's population largely spread out along the rail lines, and these and other British investments made the possible much of what drives the nation's economy to this day (particularly where its export profile is concerned).

I added mention of the Leloir Institute to the sci-tech section, but believe that the two historical images, plus that of the satellite (which by Argentine standards, was a milestone achievement), would recap the section's main points better.

Let me know if anything else occurs to you.

Thanks for all your effort, Sherlock4000 (talk) 21:55, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

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Argentina

When you're creating a separate "work page" to keep proposed changes to an article out of the way, you should actually do that in a sandbox page rather than in articlespace. So I just wanted to let you know that I've moved your page to User:Chaosdruid/Argentina/Changes instead; it needs to remain in your own userspace until you're ready to copy and paste the finished text back into the real article. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 23:56, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm updating the links right now; I prefer to do things like that in AWB rather than manually, so that I don't miss any. Formally, our standing practice is that only pages which are actually meant to function as real articles should be in articlespace, while temporary pages and draft updates and other such work should be kept in projectspace — but you're right, I'm not sure if any of our written policies actually communicate that as clearly as they should. Bearcat (talk) 00:44, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Northern Cyprus and "intervention/invasion"

Thanks for the comments. On the intervention/invasion issue, I don't have any opinion one way or the other (I even don't remember if I did at one time). Basically, I'll let others haggle this one out. Cheers. --Taivo (talk) 05:54, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Argentina - culture

Hi Chaosdruid, I did some work on the culture section of Argentina and I think I managed to reduce it to an acceptable length without removing anything important. You can see the results here, please let me know what you think of it.--LK (talk) 13:47, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'm moving the section to mainspace then.--LK (talk) 21:18, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

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