Talk:Alestorm

Deletion

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Alestorm are a noted band on the UK Metal scene, having been covered by Reputable Major UK metal magazines.

They are also signed to a major European record label.

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It is not a POSSIBLE Debut album, it is set is stone, with release dates and being fully recorded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mollins57 (talk • contribs) 14:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I have it :) 123.100.107.152 (talk) 23:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Terror on the High Seas

I may be wrong, but was it not the song "Set Sail and Conqueur" that was included on the Metal Hammer CD? Jonnz —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.131.179 (talk) 11:17, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Genre

Please stop changing the band's genre to "Pirate Metal." This is not a canonical subgenre. The band play power/folk metal with a pirate theme. 88.83.119.67 (talk) 14:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Themes can possibly constitute a genre, see black metal, viking metal, stoner metal, christian metal etc... --E tac (talk) 21:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Please note that black metal is primarily stylistically defined, so you can play music that's musically black metal but doesn't feature anti-Christian tendencies. Stoner metal is stylistically defined, too. Viking metal is a better example. But pirate metal is a NN genre, having too few bands, and no article of its own, so it doesn't make sense to insert a link saying "Pirate metal" and have it point to folk metal or whatever. The pirate theme is mentioned in the lead-in, that's enough. (Granted, Vikings were a sort of pirates, so perhaps Viking metal could be subsumed under pirate metal as a special case ...) Florian Blaschke (talk) 19:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I've changed the genre back to power/folk metal again. If the band's dumb little buddies could stop adding their side-splitting vandalism to the page that would be just great as well. Radagast1983 (talk) 14:01, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

How is Pirate Metal not stylistically defined? Listen to Alestorm, its much more than a theme. You could change all their lyrics to be about flowers and ponies and it would still sound like pirate metal. It is at least as stylistically defined as any of the aforementioned genres.I love this band.24.63.46.64 (talk) 22:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

what about bands like scuurvy, weird beard, running wild, swashbuckle and verbal deception? i would say thats enough for the genre to have its own article, as it is a pretty established genre and not just part of folk metal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.124.115 (talk) 11:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Seems like a pretty simple solution: if Pirate Metal is a genre, create a Pirate Metal article, describing what this genre is. It's not exactly self-explanatory except to people that are familiar with movies depicting pirate shanties in the particular style that has become a pirate stereotype. Do the bands mentioned above all have similar style or just similar theme? I'd say that if the litmus test proposed by 24.63 passes for all the bands mentioned by 86.139, then it's enough to call it a genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.227.68 (talk) 19:23, 9 November 2009 (UTC) CHRIS BOWES IS A BEAST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is pretty simple guys. Wikipedia requires that you have sourced and verifiable information. It doesn't matter if you, me and everybody we know think Alestorm's music sounds piratey enough to be something completely different. Our opinions do not have a say in what is contained in wikipedia articles. If people can link several different sources that talk about pirate metal and what that means it can be listed as a genre. The point about making it a page is a very good one. If there is enough information on pirate metal that is sourcable to music professionals to create a wikipedia page it can be considered a genre. Until then it is just a casual way of characterizing the bands sound. Genres are not strictly sound characterizations as it is very difficult to describe a band that sounds black or death or power without a person having a previous understanding of what those genres are.--128.223.222.64 (talk) 00:18, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Pirate Metal is clearly not a genre, it's a theme. But I'm not at all convinced that Alestorm are 'folk metal' either. Firstly, they don't use traditional instruments. They're a standard rock band setup with a keyboard. Secondly, very few of their melodies or motifs are actually folk-inspired. They use a synth'd brass section far more often than they use the accordion or any other synth'd folk sound. From my perspective, they're just a folk-influenced power metal band. They don't actually sound anything like other folk metal bands, at all. Having an occasional accordion isn't enough to determine a genre. I'm not going to edit it but I strongly believe that this should be changed to Power Metal, with folk metal as a second or third genre on the list. My two pence. 82.30.173.42 (talk) 09:46, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd agree that they are much closer to power metal than they are folk metal (especially the European flavor of power metal), although there may be some momentum for creating a stub (at least) about pirate metal as this is how these guys are described in most media I've seen. And after all, it's the media and not Wikipedia that defines styles.Intothatdarkness (talk) 14:48, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't think so. All the different bands that have been described as "pirate metal" sound completely different from each other, none of them even sound remotely alike or have any of the same musical influences. Therefore labeling them as "pirate metal" does no good to anybody because it doesn't refer even remotely to what they consist of musically. All it refers to in this case is the purely superficial use of lyrics and the odd accordion synth. 82.30.173.42 (talk) 16:07, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Keelhauled

Does anyone know anything about the pirate style ship use in the keelhauled video? They also use a pirate ship in a lot of the promotional pictures. Where do you find something like that in the modern world? --81.153.252.241 (talk) 22:28, 25 September 2010 (UTC)