User talk:Drmies

Ask and ye shall receive

Oh, just eat already. 99.153.142.225 (talk) 15:56, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

You can't always get what you want

But if you try sometimes, you might find: you get what you need.

	Beer!

	Fried chicken!

	Barnstars!

Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:10, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh god damn it, 99, you stole my thunder! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:11, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

It's what I do, Writ Keeper. By the time we're through here, the poor bastard will need a virtual bypass. 99.153.142.225 (talk) 17:06, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

• After that,that is. Justice007 (talk) 16:38, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Hehe thank you all. It's very much appreciated. 99, I'll double my dose of Simvastatin just to make sure. 99, the Tripel Threat Tasting Time is nigh, and on the menu you'll find:
    • Chimay Cinq Cents
    • Witkap Tripel
    • Delirium Tremens
    • St. Feuillien
    • Tripel Karmeliet
    • Maredsous Tripel
    • Kasteel Tripel
    • Triple Imperial from Brasserie des Rocs
    • An American tripel, from The Bruery.

      I reckon that's enough for a sunny afternoon. Thank you all again! Drmies (talk) 17:24, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

I appreciate your patience to face unwanted "categories".Yes you know candy is hard to bite but it is better than to fight?.Justice007 (talk) 16:38, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

• Well said, Justice. I hear it's warm in the motherland--I'll check it out next week. Drmies (talk) 17:26, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Since you are awake and I'm out the door

Is it me, or is Legolover26 trolling? Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 19:58, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

• Mwa. I think he's bored. He's made some article edits. Drmies (talk) 20:19, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
  • He also made a bunch of trouts, helpmes and other edits, so it might be bored, but I figured it was a 50/50 chance. Trolling starts from boredom, too. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 20:20, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
• On an unrelated note, your buddy A:-)Brunuś is off block. He nom'ed a subpage of a user [1]. The rest of his CSDs look fine. I'm just wondering what is going on in his mind. Just monitoring for now. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 23:24, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks for keeping me posted. I'll have a look. Drmies (talk) 02:21, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit-warring

Hello! I am sorry to bother you but can you please explain to me why I am the one facing a block? Have you not noticed my pleas for discussion in each edit summary? I have started a discussion at Talk:Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies#Descent from Philip and Louis. I have cited numerous reasons, articles and sources, while the only argument of the other party is: "It is relevant." I got the last response on 23 May; they don't even bother to respond anymore. The relevance note tag was my attempt to encourage the discussion because, after doing my best to prove that one of the subject's great-great-great-great-great-grandparents needs not be mentioned unless there is a specific reason (inheritance, genetics, anything), no reason was given at all. I was simply ignored, as if there was no need to pay any attention to my arguments. I apologise for causing inconvenience but I cannot help feeling that this is not right. Surtsicna (talk) 21:06, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Drmies, the above user was mentioned to me on my talk and I looked at the ANI that's up now. And I looked at what they're doing. They're disruptively hacking away at a lot of Royals articles. Please look and consider blocking them now. Cheers, Jack Merridew 22:31, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

• Oh, right, you are Jack! Well, a belated welcome. I've heard a lot about you. ;) Drmies (talk) 12:58, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Again, I am sorry to bother you, but please take a look at this edit summary. The above user wants to provoke an edit-war that would lead to me being blocked. When I removed that section, I cited WP:See also. I explained my edit both in the edit summary and on the talk page. He responded with: "you should be blocked, soon". "Disruptively hacking away" is what he calls this and this edit - yes, one of them is changing the width of a picture from 250px to the default 215px. The above user reverted those edits simply because I made them. I must say again that, for the first time in a long time, I actually feel bullied. After five years spent editing this Wikipedia, it seems that I will be hounded and that I will eventually have to ask users like him for permission to correct typos. Surtsicna (talk) 22:41, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Seems you /do/ know me; reference all the right terms. Also seems to me that you're damaging a lot of articles. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 22:46, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Sheesh. I get pinged on Facebook, my inbox is full, all because of this? Jack, sorry, I'm not going to block that quickly. Surtsicna, you got a warning because you were edit-warring. If you've been here five years you should know the rules; I'm not even going to link to it. You first removed that information and then three times tagged it, against other editors. That's edit warring. Your question, as far as I could tell, was addressed on the talk page. As for the claim of provocation, see the (spurious) ANI thread that I just closed. Drmies (talk) 01:38, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

So I heard ;) I didn't look too much further into what he'd cut up. Those articles are watched. DrK and Lecen are involved in more than a few of them. I'm fine with how this went and will look back tomorrow to see how things sort out. Terima kasih, Br'er Rabbit (talk) 02:18, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Question

Dear Drmies I'd like to draw your attention toward the article at User:Maharathi/sandbox which I've rewritten and invite your valuable suggestions and feedback to improve the article.Maharathi (talk) 01:56, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

• Responded on John CD's talk page. Drmies (talk) 02:04, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I beg you, please...

Stop mentioning [2] your pool, the balmy temperature, cocktail hour, etc. etc. etc. or I shall be forced to rent a car, drive for several days, and show up at your door in my Speedo, primed for some R&R. (And, believe me, you don't want to see me in my Speedo.) Your Yankee friend, Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:03, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

• Hehe. Guess where I'm sitting right now--with a Triple Imperiale from Brasserie des Rocs (which tastes a lot more like a Dubbel). The fence is unlocked, by the way, so just come around the side of the house. Drmies (talk) 03:07, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
  • 86°F, eh? Well, you can keep it. :) I am sweltering up here in Virginia with 72°F and 78% humidity (it was 90°F today and felt like 94°F, ugh!). I will be very, very happy when September gets here and Autumn begins. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:22, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
    • Fall here starts in November. Actually, I kinda can't wait til football starts. Drmies (talk) 03:25, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
      • I'd love 86. It hovers around 98 here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:28, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
        • Crisco, it's the pool that was at 86, not the world around it. ;) BTW, football--someone cue User:Tide rolls, please. Drmies (talk) 03:33, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
          • @Drmies: Well, here in Northwestern Virginia, it starts in Mid-September, right around the beginning of the TV season and the peak of the leaf season here. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:14, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
            • • I don't miss fall/autumn, not at all... mind you, photography is much easier when the sun isn't actively trying to give you cancer. @The Dr, what's the world around it like? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:20, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
                • Low 90s, today, but for the rest I'd have to write you a book. Drmies (talk) 04:29, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
                  • I'm not sure where you live, but if the pool is 86, it must not be Cleveland. 90 here in NC today with humidity just as high, and I'll be outside all afternoon at a wine tasting. Not so much a fan of NC wines, but it is something to do and it has been a while. Entertainment is by a Country and Western band, which is a first I've seen at a wine tasting. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 12:15, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
                    • We just closed ours this week, the harsh WA (not that WA) winter is upon us, although I am sure with some effort I would have been able to keep ot usable all through the winter, although we did have the coldest morning in May on record in 98 years. Dennis, the Margret River is supplying me with my spiked grape juice tonight, but it is Tenth Doctor episodes rather that country music for entertainment, not that I am against country music. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 13:10, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
                      • Ours is open year-round (it doesn't have a "close"), and my oldest and I have swam every single month of the year; we started in earnest in March. The Dutch are tough. Canadians are pussies. Small wonder we had to liberate you in the 1940s--oh wait, never mind. Drmies (talk) 15:33, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
                      • I am a big fan of the wines east of you, don't think I've tried any on your side of the continent. Not sure what Aussie's think of Yellow Tail and Alice, but we yanks love it. Just picked up a bottle YT Shiraz yesterday, and always have several varieties in stock. This is the 12th annual North Carolina Wine Festival [3], and apparently another article I need to create. Think I will bring the camera. It's a pretty relaxed affair, and I love regional cultural events. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 13:57, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
                        • Oh I don't know what the Australians think of it, but I quite like it, and Wolf Blass. You know that none of the bottles here have corks? All (and I mean all) are twist off, Australians are classy like that :) --kelapstick^(bainuu) 14:05, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
                          • Aussie wines have synthetic corks here. We yanks look down on screw caps for some reason, likely because of E & J Gallo Winery using them for their cheapest wines, back in the days when California wines were considered less than par anyway. They don't put me off, as I'm not a wine snob, I just like the stuff. Already half done creating a stub for the article as we speak, then to shower and head off. :) Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 14:22, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
                            • Ahh, good ole' Strawberry Hill. Goes down like kool aid but hammers your head all the next day. It is just a step above Mad Dog. :P
                              ⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 16:18, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
                              • I'm back, bought a nice dry bottle from some vineyard called "Owl Winery" that was quite good. Much of the wine was sugary sweet stuff (blackberry, blueberry, watermelon), like many NC wines, but a few where very interesting. Tasted from over 15 wineries, several from each, then came home and opened that bottle of Shiraz, grilled a T-bone. Don't think I will be doing too much editing tonight. :) Fun event, very low key, hot as hell. Was spread all out in the woods, so not sure that I got any photography worth posting. Gotta love a good cultural festival. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 23:49, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
                                • It's currently 52F/11C. It has been raining. Mountains are covered in a dusting of snow. It snowed 2 inches last year at the house over Memorial Day weekend, so I guess I have something to be grateful for. I have to spend tomorrow with the Spawn of Satan, AKA mother-in-law. Yesterday it was confirmed that the Spawn will have hip surgery in June. So, the week of June 18th, I get to spend the week in Hell, AKA Spawn of Satan's house, taking care of her during the day. Great, in hell during the day, with the wife in the evening. I have to snuggle tonight with the wife while watching the last of Breaking Bad. I don't drink, but I just may turn to some bottles Everlear. Life sucks. Hate you all, except kelapstick. No matter what you Drmies, kelapstick will always be a friend. Bgwhite (talk) 02:10, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Drmies. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Help_desk#Thine_Antique_Pen.
Message added 14:11, 26 May 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Deathlaser :  Chat  14:11, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

How odd... that page does mention Drmies - but not at the section you've linked. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 14:20, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I have an interest in it nonetheless. Drmies (talk) 15:36, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Bees for Development

Are you satisfied that the article passes the notability requirements now? For the DYK nom. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:46, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

• I made a note there. Thanks Crisco--this thing has dragged on long enough. Drmies (talk) 16:06, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

• Agreed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:12, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

• Crisco, it's a pleasure working with you. But don't drop by during nap time! Or, if you do, lower your body into the water gently so you don't wake anyone up. Drmies (talk) 16:14, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

• I wouldn't want anyone to see how hideous I look in whatever bathing suit I dig up, so don't worry! Besides, better 86 degress than the 45-50 I'm stuck bathing with (we don't have hot water). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:16, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Comment

Dear Drmies, I apologize for being harsh on anyone. But please I am asking because I do not know whom to ask. Could you please tell me what is the solution when there is lots of WP:RS but no consensus. What needs to be done in such cases on the wikipedia? But in anyway I apologize for being harsh. Could you please help me and suggest a solution. Best regards and thanks Robin klein (talk) 01:49, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

• Robin, I have no problems with anyone's harshness. But I don't want a separate discussion here, besides the one at ANI. For the issue in that particular article, you can always try Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard. There's also Wikipedia:Requests for mediation, but that's kind of a last resort. Sorry, but that's all I can do for you. Drmies (talk) 03:25, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Almost!

I'm at #1002. Gerda is one ahead of me. LadyofShalott 02:12, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

• You're wrecking the curve for the rest of us, you know? I've somehow moved up 114 spots this week, up to #2529, and I'm still ashamed. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 03:08, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep at it, Lady. You're doing great. Drmies (talk) 03:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks, and Dennis, you have no reason to be ashamed - you're doing a lot on here! LadyofShalott 03:38, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

• [4] Drmies (talk) 04:45, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
• Also [5] and I'm not even really trying...just plain attrition... Drmies (talk) 04:47, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

• Oh I'm not really ashamed :) I'm not fast or particularly eloquent at writing, more gnomish. I'm a fan of self-motivation, so I think it's great that you are doing this. It's making me want to shoot for 2000. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 10:41, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Happy adminiversary!

In an extraordinary and surprising display of competency, you've somehow managed to be an admin for one whole year without destroying Wikipedia.

It's hard to believe it's only been a year – it seems like you've been an admin forever. You've done an exemplary job, and you've made the literally hundreds of people who supported your RfA very proud. Thanks for your dedication to the position, and congratulations! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 11:13, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

• Well said, Mandarax! Hear, hear! LadyofShalott 11:46, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
  • wow, has it been that long? kelapstick^(bainuu) 11:53, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, congratulations! Reaper Eternal (talk) 12:02, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

• Congratulations, Drmies! I'd leave another image of food and drink, but methinks you've had enough already. Speaking of which, it's almost time for my breakfast. Nice of Mandarax to acknowledge your milestone by giving you the, er, finger. Very best, 99.153.142.225 (talk) 12:04, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

• And in an amazing coincidence (giving the finger?), this man, who has held the family jewels, is in the paper today. I guess he's notable! Drmies (talk) 12:56, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't mind giving food.

• Happy adminversary! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:03, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

• Montgomery, eh? It just occurred to me that I've got a painting in a Birmingham gallery--don't ask how it got there. Let me know if you're ever there with 7 minutes to kill. 99.153.142.225 (talk) 13:09, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

• I'll be sure to check it out--where is it? As a matter of fact, the girls are in Birmingham today. If you have any work at the zoo, I'll tell them to have a look. Drmies (talk) 17:32, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

• Work at the zoo.... maybe not an inappropriate idea. I'd prefer to share the information off-Wiki, if possible. 99.153.142.225 (talk) 18:44, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
• My cousin is a birdkeeper at the B'ham Zoo (currently that is - she's worked all over there). LadyofShalott 22:21, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

• Of course. I don't know if you have access to the email function, or if you still have an account--but Mandarax has my contact info as well. Drmies (talk) 19:07, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

• Message sent. Cheers, 99.153.142.225 (talk) 21:09, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

• And received. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 00:56, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• Congrats, friend. Too bad you aren't here, I have a bottle of Moldavian champagne that needs a special occasion, and this would be worthy. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 16:31, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
• Thanks to everybody! This is greatly appreciated, and at lunchtime I'll toast you all with something delicious, though not yet anything from Cantillon Brewery, unfortunately. Drmies (talk) 17:32, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Tangents

• Note: I've "coined" words before, only to later discover that someone else had previously come up with 'em, but I was pretty sure adminiversary would be all mine. Alas, I've now checked, and I found that it had appeared on three other user talk pages. I have, however, created a unique word to describe such words created by me: portmandaraxteau. This word is both a portmanteau and an autonym. Going further out on one of my famous tangents... for an old discussion in which I mention one of my favorite portmanteaux, see this. And further still... I was reminded of another very funny portmanteau, from Arrested Development: Tobias created a new category for himself which combined analyst and therapist, so on his business cards he referred to himself as an analrapist. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:01, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
• Oh, I should've known: analrapist exists! Too bad that redirect couldn't be expanded into a DYK.... MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:47, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• Mandarax, I totally thought you were a grown-up. It's a good thing some Beauty and the Beast thing is on TV or my Sippi might see that horrible word you just posted on my talk. Drmies (talk) 00:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• Hehe, I might've actually thought you were serious if I didn't know it was coming from the creator of the testicular barnstar.... MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:46, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• I do like "portmandaraxteau". I lack the originality for such fancy footwork; I'm glad creativity is not dead yet. Drmies (talk) 01:51, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks. I like the plural: portmandaraxteaux. As for your lacking originality, that's just plain ridiculous – you're overflowing with creativity. Also, I've thought about it; that is a pretty horrible word and a concept which a small child should not be exposed to, so I've struck the offending word above. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:18, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• Testicular barnstar? For articles about Rocky Mountain oysters? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:53, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• No, just a vile joke on my part. Let's forget about it. Drmies (talk) 01:59, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• Right, we're all adults here, and Wikipedia iz zeriouz bizznezz. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:01, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

UFC on Fuel TV: Munoz vs. Weidman

Just wanted to drop you a note that I tagged UFC on Fuel TV: Munoz vs. Weidman G6, you closed the AfD on the article, it was moved during the deletion discussion, and you only deleted the redirect, not the nominated article. Monty₈₄₅ 00:01, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks. Drmies (talk) 00:07, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit warring, personal attacks and common sense

Too many words

Hi, Drmies. Thank you for making your way to the article talk page to discuss our recent edits to the lede. I'll respond to your comments relating to article improvement in the new section you just opened (although there is already a subsection about the same material further up on that page). You also, however, saw fit to include personal attacks in your talk page comment, including calling me "a professional wikilawyer", and accusing me of page ownership. Your personal attacks are unwarranted (in addition to being unbecoming an administrator), and I am formally requesting that you remove them. Xenophrenic (talk) 02:29, 28 May 2012 (UTC) If you request informally, I'll think about it. Your ownership of that page, however, seems pretty clear; your editorial battle mentality is clear also. Drmies (talk) 02:32, 28 May 2012 (UTC) I've removed them for you. You appear to be confusing adherence to policies and guidelines with "Wikilawyering"; editing of a page with "ownership of that page"; and the reverting of an edit you made with "editorial battle mentality". Uh, no. I reverted a stupid edit; deleting sourced content (without even reading the sources) goes against "common sense", to use your phrase. While it may be a "never ending battle" to keep improving the Wikipedia articles, please don't misconstrue my edits as some sort of challenge to you personally. It didn't help that your edit mirrored exactly an edit previously made for different reasons by an actual tendentious editor, who was indefinitely blocked just moments before. I now see you are aware he was blocked. There is no "battle" between us, unless it is one of your making - and I'd rather not join in. So rather than run off to a noticeboard to raise a big stink about your incivility and personal attacks, how about I ask you to substantiate them? What actions of mine could possibly prompt you to cast the aspersions of "Professional Wikilawyer", "Page Owner" and now an editor with "battle mentality"? Help me to understand where you are coming from. And help me to understand what purpose could possibly be served by posting these aspersions at an editor on an article talk page. In the meantime, I'll go review those sources and see if I can make the article lead more clear. Xenophrenic (talk) 04:08, 28 May 2012 (UTC) Well, I don't want to stop you from running to the noticeboard. I don't see what that blocked user (good riddance, by the way) did to that article--or how such an edit "mirrored" mine. Now, if you could make that lead more clear, that would be great. I hope you see my point about the "increasingly". Ownership--well, the recent history seems to suggest that you are taking care of the article, and your edit summaries are a bit terse. In one, you mentioned ELYES, from which I site: (Did you mean cite? "proper use of English!" -Xenophrenic ;-)) "Wikipedia articles about any organization, person, website, or other entity should link to the subject's official site, if any. See Official links below." Note the singular in "official site". ELMAYBE gives me no reason to believe that there should be an exception here; what pages with rich media files have to do with this is not clear: that line is a suggestion to mark such pages explicitly--in this case, there was a website and a Facebook page, and in general we consider ELNO to mean "one of those is enough". Thank you, Drmies (talk) 04:24, 28 May 2012 (UTC) "Well, I don't want to stop you from running to the noticeboard." Doesn't seem likely to happen. I'll frequently raise the spectre of possible noticeboard drama (i.e.; I'll get a 2nd opinion at AN3) when I feel an editor is pushing the boundries of Wikipedia policy compliance or straying from collaborative behavior, but if I seriously intend to drag someone through noticeboard mud, there will usually be no such forewarning. I was serious, however, about the inappropriateness of your article talk page comments to me -- while I won't be crying on a noticeboard about it, other editors could cause you a lot of grief in similar circumstances. Please don't make such comments about fellow Wikipedia editors, even if you can fully justify it, as it just doesn't serve any purpose. File that under friendly advice. That brings me to... "I don't see ... how such an edit "mirrored" mine." Please see this edit by the now blocked for "tendentiousness and socking" editor. Identical edit, down to the last pixel. Also see the discussion presently at the top of the talk page, under the heading: Removal of POV Statement that CPUSA" has since grown into an increasingly diverse organization". Note that while you complained that the "diversity" wasn't adequately explained, the now-blocked editor had removed it on the false and silly grounds that it was POV. You see, that editor was very determined to remove any content that conveyed diversity, or non-partisanship or trans-partisanship -- anything that contradicted the meme that the organization was really just a secret liberal arm of the Obama Administration. And what did you do? You first posted a talk page comment noting the blocking of User:NeutralityPersonified, and 2 minutes later implemented the identical edit last made by that blocked editor. I hope that better explains how your edit mirrored the edit of the POV warrior, albeit with a different stated justification, but also accompanied by removal of links to sites associated with that group. "Ownership ... you are taking care of the article, and your edit summaries are a bit terse." Ya think? I've already addressed your concern about "taking care of articles" at the He owns an article! section of the Complaints Department. Yes, some of my edit summaries can be a bit terse, I'll admit. That does not, however, indicate article ownership, nor does it justify your making such comments about a fellow editor. As for the WP:EL policy, please note that the Facebook page and the Website are both Official Links (as defined by the 2 criteria listed at the policy page), and both qualify to be listed under External Links. Please further note that nothing in that policy restricts the linking to just a single Official Page. Now, just between you and I, can you please explain to me how the removal of just that one of two links improves the article for our readers? The EL list is short, and in no way excessive: just 2 links. The links are not redundant, as they have different content on each. They are both "Official Links" as defined by Wikipedia. Neither can be "incorporated into the article", as they contain too much information. "ELMAYBE gives me no reason to believe that there should be an exception here; what pages with rich media files have to do with this is not clear..." Incorrect. It specifically states: "Very large pages, such as pages containing rich media files, should be considered on a case-by-case basis." The Facebook page, which is an Official Page, is just such a page. What case do you make, what service are you providing to our reader, by removing one of just two external links from that article? I expect we'll be revisiting the EL section soon. With no substantiation forthcoming regarding the three attacks, I'll just wave them off as silly stuff spouted in a moment of frustration. Regards, Xenophrenic (talk) 07:15, 28 May 2012 (UTC) A Facebook page as a Rich Media site? That's indeed rich. Or desperate. Your wall of text does not obscure the normal editing practice here: one link per club. And what an edit from April 2011 has to do with mine, well, impugning guilt by association comes to mind. Have a nice day. You could have fixed the problem twenty times over already. Drmies (talk) 13:20, 28 May 2012 (UTC) Oh, I'm going to box this ridiculous wall of text in. Drmies (talk) 13:25, 28 May 2012 (UTC) @Xeno, that is not what a personal attack is, disruptive editing and unproductive comments are not vandalism or personal attacks. Learn to read before you accuse.LuciferWildCat (talk) 04:04, 28 May 2012 (UTC) That's funny, thanks. However, I was not accused of vandalism here. Nice of you to keep track of me, though. Drmies (talk) 04:06, 28 May 2012 (UTC) I don't even know how to respond to that. Xenophrenic (talk) 04:08, 28 May 2012 (UTC) Xenophrenic, this is a rather gratuitous comment from an(other) editor who is disgruntled with me and who, I guess, is looking for an opportunity to pile it on. It's not worth our time. Drmies (talk) 04:24, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Galvatron (Beast Wars II)

As I said in the tag, Galvatron (Beast Wars II) was an attempted article split that was undone. There is history at Galvatron (Beast Wars II), but this content was not merged back into Galvatron (they just reverted the edits at that article). So, this would count as an WP:CSD#A10 as a recently created duplication of content (the article was still "recently created" when the editors blanked the page), or as WP:CSD#G6 as housecleaning. I used a generic template so that I could explain more clearly. The redirect itself is valid, the redirect is not the problem. The problem is that so many editors were moving content back and forth with the Megatron and Galvatron articles and that creates attribution problems. Deleting this page simplifies that issue, as I've determined that the edits were not carried forward, and this history does not need to be kept. The redirect itself can be recreated right after. I hope this makes sense, I'm just trying to untangle the article history. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 04:17, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• Sorry, but I don't see what the problem is with retaining the history under that redirect, or how it would cause attribution problems. But maybe some smarter person than me who happens to look at this can set me straight if I'm wrong. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:27, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
  • The reason being that the edits imply that this is a split history, and only by going through and reading the numerous edits is it clear that this is not a split history, it is a history dead-end. Redirects from merges must be maintained for history, and this would appear to be one of those to someone who has not read through the edits. Further, these articles are about to get more confusing as they require a massive copyedit, as well as a merger of some content (between Megatron and Galvatron) and a content split, between the first Galvatron (who is actually Megatron) and the second Galvatron, from Beast Wars II. The content of the history of Galvatron (Beast Wars II) isn't even specifically about the Galvatron from Beast Wars II. There is a reason these pages are protected from editing now. If you are still uncomfortable with deleting this article, or see some reason why this redundant and unseen content should remain, I won't bother you any further. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 04:50, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
    • No, I still don't see it, but I'm famously dense. No one has offered any advice, so let me give you another suggestion: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. Drmies (talk) 13:42, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

A request against Vandalism

Hi, I think you're an admin, so I have a request. Khwarazmian Dynasty is vandalised by an unknown user with the IP: 94.128.139.98. Can you protect the page please? BozokluAdam (talk) 15:53, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• Yes I am. However: first of all, we don't protect over a few edits. Second, I don't see how those edits are vandalism--which has a pretty sharp definition here (see WP:VANDALISM). This looks like a content dispute. I urge you to engage the IP editor on the article talk page. Please don't revert their edits as vandalism: it's not. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 16:09, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
• I see that the talk page is seeing some action, and the IP's contributions are not very helpful. Drmies (talk) 16:15, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

There is an ongoing discussion, but that person deleted the other contributions different from the discussed subject, so I said it's vandalism. Also, I suspect those unknown IP's can be the same person? Anyway, I'm trying to solve the problem. Thanks for your help. BozokluAdam (talk) 16:30, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

This is not easily called vandalism; it looks like a content edit, though the date on the CN tag indicates they're restoring or undoing something--if this continues it's edit-warring and it may become disruptive. But you reverted the IP here without explanation, something they might call vandalism. Drmies (talk) 16:38, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the information; I'll care about it. And 94.128.139.98 reverted the article three times within 24 hours, so he/she should be blocked. Anyway, I don't want to join this edit-warring. BozokluAdam (talk) 17:51, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I checked now and noticed that I had reverted the IP here as it changed the order of the words in the intro sentence; however, I fixed it now by just fixing that sentence. In the meantime, I hope you might also check the page Hazara_people and the debate on its talk page (where I couldn't see a consensus-version though an editor "‎Lysozym, his previous name is Tajik" claims it, and attacking other ethnic groups instead of discussing and solving the matter. Anyhow I need to reply his claims automatically.). BozokluAdam (talk) 18:12, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

BozokluAdam, you should be very careful with your accusations. I did not attack any ethnic groups. In fact, this is a bad faith accusation on your part and a violation of WP:PA! The current intro of the article Hazara people is a consensus version. It is a short and precise intro and you are one of a very few who do not accept it. You claim to be a Turkologist, but your edits actually prove that you have no clue of the subject. And as for the IP calling you a Pan-Turkist: he has a point. All of your edits are about pushing for some kind of "Turkishness" in various articles. You even claim that there are "38 million Turks in Iran" - a totally laughable claim that is only popular among Turkish nationalists and Pan-Turkists. No scholar would agree. Personally, I do not care what political ideology you follow as long as you keep you keep your edits neutral and well-sourced. So far, I have not seen any good edit on your part. You should also read WP:SOURCE: it's not important how many sources you can list but what quality these sources have. --Lysozym (talk) 18:45, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Lysozym, I believe that I'm neutral, and I'm not a Pan-Turkist or racist. I only observe that your edits display you're not objective. So try being a bit objective. That's my warm and friendly advice to you. Anyway, you carry out the blood of Seljuq Turks (also Oghuz Turks who migrated and established their dynasties in Iran), and you also carry the blood of Azeri Turks (who governed Iran till 1920s); so you carry out some Turkic blood in your vessels as well as your Persian, Arabic and Mongol ancestors. So you don't need to be so racist as you don't carry out a pure blood. The world is a place where there is a harmony of the mixtured people, especially in those areas functioning as a bridge such as Iran. So, we know that many tribes settled and migrated to Iran. You can't claim Persian people being so pure. Your perspective should be on this fact, and get rid of your biased opinions. --- BozokluAdam (talk) 15:04, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

• Enough out of all of you. You shouldn't be having this discussion, if that's what this is, on my talk page. This namecalling back and forth is bringing me down. Both the IP and Bozoklu have received a warning for edit-warring/3RR. I have protected the article (full protection) until you and a bunch of other editors can figure out what should be in the article. Drmies (talk) 01:58, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Anyway, I don't want to go on the debate; I have already expressed the facts with sources. In the meantime, can you, please, add my previous contribution, except the debated matter of Persianate, in Khwarezmian Dynasty? That IP did also deleted some other contributions of me while he's reverting the article. The debated matter was on the term "Persianate" which required valid sources. If you check this difference between two reverts, you'll see what I mean. You can put Persianate there, which is on debate, but please don't delete my other contributions. Otherwise, I can lose my willingness on contributing to Wikipedia. Thanks. BozokluAdam (talk) 15:04, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm not making any edits for you, no--and I think you have bigger problems than that right now. Drmies (talk) 00:50, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

May 2012

I was going to slap a NPA warning here for calling me an Australian at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Doghouse Diaries, but then thought better of it as it could have been worse, you could have called me American. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 02:58, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

• Hehe. Drmies (talk) 03:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Thoughts on Secret Archives of the Vatican? The BBC Introducing spot is interesting. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 03:49, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
    • Yeah, that's a terrible article. What spot? This leads me to a 3-hour radio show; the other link is verboten for me. I'm interested, though--I love dub. Drmies (talk) 03:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
      • BBC Introducing is a radio program, so they would have been featured on that I suppose. In Canada we have CBC Radio 3, which showcases indie bands, and I think (if I recall correctly), that being on CBC 3 is basically meeting WP:BAND point 11, although I would have to check with Bearcat, he usually monitors the Canadian indie scene around here. BBC Introducing might qualify it for 12 (Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network) but I am not sure, and I don't want to listen to the program. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 03:59, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Leslie Daigle

Not sure why the AfD hasn't closed yet...more than 27 hrs. overdue. That'll be messy, because if it's deleted (which it oughta be, 2:1 not keep:keep ratio), I guarantee you that one of "Keep" votes will DRV it and we'll have another fine mess.

But that's not why I'm here. There are a bazillion edit requests on the article. At least one of them is alleging COPYVIO. Could you or one of your admin buds resolve some of them? Oh, and I liked your "weird aussie" AfD vote...but you should've found in a way to work in TPH's otters pbp 03:19, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

• I've dropped a note on WP:AN asking for admin assistance. I am not going to mess with editing the article; if there is a copyvio it's a minor issue anyway. Thanks for letting me know the time. Drmies (talk) 03:51, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
  • The article has been deleted...thank goodness. But I stand by my ominous DRV prediction pbp 04:17, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
    • We'll see. I hope you're wrong. Drmies (talk) 04:21, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Admin help

Could an admin take a look at the article that was deleted via this AfD and this version of Pricing Partners SAS. Old version was created by a blocked user. Two brand new editors are now working on the new version (plus French version) and wondering why I keep adding the COI tag. I'd take it to SPI, but they have 44 backlogged cases including one still open that I was involved with over two weeks ago. If the articles are similar, that would confirm COI problems.

Yep, very similar. The lead and infobox are identical, the history section has a new sentence or two, and the product section is new, but it's almost certainly the same editor(s). Jenks24 (talk) 05:58, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. Well, speedying the new version and blocking the editors per DUCK is an option, but I think I'd prefer regular AfD and an SPI, as slow as the latter may be. If the AfD turns out to become a sock fest we can see then. Sorry if I seem not so proactive but it's hot here and I'm kind of slow. Drmies (talk) 18:12, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pricing Partners SAS. Drmies (talk) 18:15, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

WikAdvisor has sockpuppets active again

Hi, the user you ended up reigning in on the Studio 54 and The Rascals articles is most likely a sockpuppet of WikAdvisor. If you have any information you would like to contribute from your dealings with anonymous user: 66.65.134.176 [6], please feel free to contribute to the discussion about the SPI case [7]. Thanks! OliverTwisted ^(Talk) (Stuff) 07:38, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Admin help on a move

Not sure if a low life editor like myself can undo a move. A new editor moved Sophie Sumner to Annaliese Dayes. Sumner was a redirect and now Dayes is a redirect. Both people were on America's Next Top Model season 2,404, but I could be off by a few seasons :) . The old Sumner page had a long history. Bgwhite (talk) 08:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

You should be able to move back if no changes were made to the redirect after the move, if I am not mistaken. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 08:59, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Judging by the history, it should work, give it a try, just use the regular move process. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 09:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I get this error, "The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name, or use Requested moves to ask an administrator to help you with the move. Do not manually move the article by copying and pasting it; the page history must be moved along with the article text." Those evil admins just want all the power, glory and money to themselves. Bgwhite (talk) 18:05, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Maybe no changes have to be made to either, because I know I have reversed a move immediately after a mistaken move, but that was a while ago.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 21:52, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

• Sorry, what's the problem? Do you want this version restored as Sophie Sumner? I guess I can do that, but I don't see the notability for the subject. Drmies (talk) 18:18, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Dutch footballers

thanks for the advice on the links,i will also add the voetbal website to the articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronkoeman44 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Makes editing here worthwhile

Drmies's pool before cleaning. 99.153.142.225 (talk) 23:50, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Loved coming across this quote from a small town paper's publisher [8]. 99.153.142.225 (talk) 16:08, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

• That's charming. Begs the "reliable source" question. So you turned the air on? I sometimes turn it off at night. Continued work on the play fort has me dripping already, but the good news is that the pool guy is on his way (the pool looks kind of like a swamp...). Drmies (talk) 16:55, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Ewww, the pool description summons all sorts of diphtheria-inducing environments. Probably a suitable image in the commons, which I'll try to dig up later. Yesterday I helped Ms. 99 with yardwork, cooking and cleaning, which led to a good sweat. But I still get the easy end of things, with the standard market run in the afternoon to pick up missing ingredients. Great meal at the end of the day...not giving too much information away to say that the recipe came from a cook who was in the employ of a onetime governor, undersecretary of state, and U.S. ambassador, for whom Ms. 99 also once worked. I know people who know people.... 99.153.142.225 (talk) 17:23, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea why, but every time you say "Ms. 99", it makes me giggle uncontrollably. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:51, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I amuse wherever I can. Ms. 99, which is to say my better half, should not be confused with Barbara Feldon [9], who is also lovely. 99.153.142.225 (talk) 23:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Yep, real funny. Pool came, broke the handle of a valve, pocketed a $60 check, and left. Drmies (talk) 00:18, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Well that kind of sucks. Yet what strikes me is that something--anything--broke and cost you no more than $60. 99.153.142.225 (talk) 00:47, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

"This great information cost me half a weeks pay, and the toilet blew up later on the next day"... Drmies (talk) 00:48, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. National Lampoon--the Onion of my youth-- once had a section on exploding toilets in its 'True Facts' compendium. They were always caused when Bonehead A dumped flammable liquid into the bowl, soon after which Bonehead B would sit, take out a magazine, light up a cigarette, and throw the match in. By the way, thank you for helping out with that other business today; still waiting for the sockpuppet investigation to resolve. 99.153.142.225 (talk) 00:53, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Pricing Partners

I have put more comments on the deletion page for Pricing Partners. I am happy that you are hesitating to delete this page as I believe it is accurate and reliable. It follows the standard of wikipedia much better than many other pages as it provides a reliable reference for everything. And it is not too much promotional as it also gives a list of competitors. Overall, I hope this is convincing you this is fine. I am happy to talk more if you need further information. Many thanks in advance for your time Regards, --Paul.cabot (talk) 19:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

• What is your relationship with Rowena.Queddeng (talk · contribs)? Drmies (talk) 20:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: A Clash of Kings

I had forgotten how to deal with the problem and was just figuring it out when you came by. Thanks! ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 01:53, 30 May 2012 (UTC)