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== Shorten golf majors? == |
== Shorten golf majors? == |
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In the article, the entry for golf major currently reads: |
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*A [[majors|major]] in [[golf]] is one of the four or five most important yearly tournaments. In the [[United States]], the [[PGA TOUR]] and [[LPGA]] tour have four majors, while the [[Champions Tour]] for golfers 50 and over has [[Senior major golf championships|five]]. All other top-level men's tours worldwide recognize the same four majors as the PGA TOUR. The LPGA Tour for women also has four majors. |
*A [[majors|major]] in [[golf]] is one of the four or five most important yearly tournaments. In the [[United States]], the [[PGA TOUR]] and [[LPGA]] tour have four majors, while the [[Champions Tour]] for golfers 50 and over has [[Senior major golf championships|five]]. All other top-level men's tours worldwide recognize the same four majors as the PGA TOUR. The LPGA Tour for women also has four majors. |
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I suggest that this is too much explanation of details for a disambiguation page. |
I suggest that this is too much explanation of details for a disambiguation page. I feel the disambiguation page should only contain info useful for directing your request, not info about the topic. Differentiating ideas, not trivia. In that spirit, i would edit thusly: |
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*A [[Majors|major]] in [[golf]] is one of the set of most important yearly tournaments. In the [[United States]], the [[PGA Tour]], the [[LPGA]] tour and the [[Champions Tour]] have their own set of majors. |
*A [[Majors|major]] in [[golf]] is one of the set of most important yearly tournaments. In the [[United States]], the [[PGA Tour]], the [[LPGA]] tour and the [[Champions Tour]] have their own set of majors. |
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==Major and Majors== |
==Major and Majors== |
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[[Majors]] needs disambiguation, not redirect to [[Grand slam (tennis)]]. Last month I hinted so in grand slam talk <s>but I haven't yet started and will not this weekend.</s> but I did nothing except re-target here |
[[Majors]] needs disambiguation, not redirect to [[Grand slam (tennis)]]. Last month I hinted so in grand slam talk <s>but I haven't yet started and will not this weekend.</s> but I did nothing except re-target here --that is, [[Majors]] now redirects here. |
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Should ''Major'' and ''Majors'' disambiguate together --with a separate main article for Major and Majors surnames, if warranted? --[[User:P64|P64]] ([[User talk:P64|talk]]) 19:33, 2 June 2012 (UTC) |
Should ''Major'' and ''Majors'' disambiguate together --with a separate main article for Major and Majors surnames, if warranted? --[[User:P64|P64]] ([[User talk:P64|talk]]) 19:33, 2 June 2012 (UTC) |
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: Currently we do disambiguate both here, including both surnames in section People. |
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: I classified the redirect with {{tl|R from plural}} and {{tl|R from alternative name}}, unsure about the latter. |
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: --[[User:P64|P64]] ([[User talk:P64|talk]]) 23:13, 4 February 2013 (UTC) |
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== Ursa Major, ursa minor == |
== Ursa Major, ursa minor == |
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These names of the stellar constellations also known as Big Dipper ([[Ursa Major]]) and Little Dipper will be familiar to many readers. I don't know how to fit it in but note that I visited because I was surprised to see ''maior'' not ''major'' in the preface as Latin, so that may be the place for it. --[[User:P64|P64]] ([[User talk:P64|talk]]) 21:26, 6 June 2012 (UTC) |
These names of the stellar constellations also known as Big Dipper ([[Ursa Major]]) and Little Dipper will be familiar to many readers. I don't know how to fit it in but note that I visited because I was surprised to see ''maior'' not ''major'' in the preface as Latin, so that may be the place for it. --[[User:P64|P64]] ([[User talk:P64|talk]]) 21:26, 6 June 2012 (UTC) |
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== Disambiguation of minor and major == |
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See [[Talk: Minor#Disambiguation of minor and major]] which may suggest improvements here. It's out of date because I revised both pages next day, but the most visible changes (which the discussion concerns) are there to make the arrangement of disambig [[Minor]] more like this one. |
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Here I changed the nature and location of Wiktionary links and location of the Contents box, along with substantial revisions. Yet the table of contents remains as I illustrated in that linked Talk. --[[User:P64|P64]] ([[User talk:P64|talk]]) 23:13, 4 February 2013 (UTC) |
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Shorten golf majors?
In the article, the entry for golf major currently reads:
- A major in golf is one of the four or five most important yearly tournaments. In the United States, the PGA TOUR and LPGA tour have four majors, while the Champions Tour for golfers 50 and over has five. All other top-level men's tours worldwide recognize the same four majors as the PGA TOUR. The LPGA Tour for women also has four majors.
I suggest that this is too much explanation of details for a disambiguation page. I feel the disambiguation page should only contain info useful for directing your request, not info about the topic. Differentiating ideas, not trivia. In that spirit, i would edit thusly:
- A major in golf is one of the set of most important yearly tournaments. In the United States, the PGA Tour, the LPGA tour and the Champions Tour have their own set of majors.
I feel this helps the reader because it suggests that if you've heard the word major as well as any of those other words near it, this is your link. However, it doesn't tell us the number, location, or the offical rules surrounding them. If we want to know this, we simply click on the link for Majors, or any of the particular golfing leagues. More concise, i feel.
Please comment. – Fudoreaper 09:44, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, shorter is better, less to maintain. In fact, I prefer not to have links in the text except for the one actually being disambiguated, they don't really serve any purpose, but it's almost impossible to keep mindless link-adders from putting them back if you de-link. Stan 12:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
- Interesting you talk about additional links their foolish purpose. see [1] - a dab page i edited a bit, but was cleaned up to wikipedia style. Perhaps this page should be changed to follow that format. — Fudoreaper 19:50, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
- Shorter, but not accurate. The men's majors are not endorsed solely by the PGA Tour and they aren't all in the States. Scranchuse 03:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Major golf and tennis tournaments
Is this page correct about golf? For example, is it correct to say "Woods expects to play all four major championships ..." rather than "... to play all four major tournaments ..."? --P64 (talk) 22:50, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
"Major" in sports: articles, disambiguations, and redirects
2012-07-25, underline identifies redirects to Major (disambiguation) --this page-- which are now listed in the midst of siblings that redirect as stated in each section.
1. GOLF. What redirects to Men's major golf championships? All bluelinks except one anomaly. There are 20 comprising ten with "golf" (i, ii) and ten without (iii, iv).
- ii
- Major golf tournament, Major golf tournaments, Major Golf Tournament, Major Golf Tournaments
- Major (golf), Majors (golf)
- Major championship (golf), Major championships (golf)
- Major golf championship, Major golf championships
- Golf major, Golf majors, Golf Major, Golf Majors, and Golfing Major (only one -ing)
- iii
- iv
- Major tournament, Major tournaments, Major Tournament, Major Tournaments
- Major championship, Major championships, Major Championship, Major Championships, The major championships, The Major Championships
2. TENNIS
- Major tennis tournament; Major tennis tournaments redirects to List of tennis tournaments but is not currently used anywhere
- Major tennis championship, Major tennis championships;
- Major (tennis), Majors (tennis)
- Tennis major, Tennis Major, Tennis majors, Tennis Majors redirects to Grand slam (tennis) but is not currently used in article space
3. Other sports-related major-terms
- Major win, Major wins
- Major title, Major titles, Major Title redirects to The Irem Skins Game
- major college, major conference, major league
The latter is a disambiguation page with ten redirects that all incorporate "league".
Major is about a military rank.
What redirects to Major (disambiguation) --this page?
- Majors, The majors, The Majors, The Majors (disambiguation)
- Major championships, Major championships (disambiguation)
This is a complete list except three that incorporate "sport(s)".
first draft --P64 (talk) 22:50, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
update --P64 (talk) 16:46, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
expand, consolidate, renumber under bold title "Major" in sports --P64 (talk) 19:59, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Latest revisions -05-26 an -06-02
What do these two sessions by one editor comprehend? Compare versions is almost useless ... here is what I can make of "compare versions" using two windows:
- group the first seven entries as "Other" and relegates them to the bottom (6);
- relegate heading "Sport" to the bottom (5);
- group some sporting entries as subheading "Other sports" and relegate them to the bottom of heading "Sports" (5.3)
- group others under Tennis, to the bottom (5.2)
- group others under Golf (5.1)
- add many golf listings
- subdivide golf listings men (5.1.1) and women (5.1.2)
- cut a lot of sporting talk
- dislocate the TOContents
(That numbering isn't what I hoped.)
What of it? The first and last are unwelcome. Much of the middle ("Sport") is welcome but the addition of golf listings is not --instead we should have a list of major golf tournaments that includes all the historical "majors"; formal subheadings for Men and Women in golf may be overkill. --P64 (talk) 19:33, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Major and Majors
Majors needs disambiguation, not redirect to Grand slam (tennis). Last month I hinted so in grand slam talk but I haven't yet started and will not this weekend. but I did nothing except re-target here --that is, Majors now redirects here.
Should Major and Majors disambiguate together --with a separate main article for Major and Majors surnames, if warranted? --P64 (talk) 19:33, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- Currently we do disambiguate both here, including both surnames in section People.
- I classified the redirect with {{R from plural}} and {{R from alternative name}}, unsure about the latter.
- --P64 (talk) 23:13, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Ursa Major, ursa minor
These names of the stellar constellations also known as Big Dipper (Ursa Major) and Little Dipper will be familiar to many readers. I don't know how to fit it in but note that I visited because I was surprised to see maior not major in the preface as Latin, so that may be the place for it. --P64 (talk) 21:26, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Disambiguation of minor and major
See Talk: Minor#Disambiguation of minor and major which may suggest improvements here. It's out of date because I revised both pages next day, but the most visible changes (which the discussion concerns) are there to make the arrangement of disambig Minor more like this one.
Here I changed the nature and location of Wiktionary links and location of the Contents box, along with substantial revisions. Yet the table of contents remains as I illustrated in that linked Talk. --P64 (talk) 23:13, 4 February 2013 (UTC)