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آلت زنانه

Hello, I saw that you recently created the article آلت زنانه, but then removed all the content from it. Are you planning on adding to the article, or was the page a blanking a sign that you wanted the article to be deleted? Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 15:40, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi, actally some other person did it as ajoke (and I feel so embarassed about it). and I'm new here and don't know what to do about it.--Irrational number (talk) 17:45, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Why can't I ask questions any more? Did I do something wrong? how can i fix it?

You didn't do anything wrong. To ask more questions, just replace the template with {{helpme}}. I recommend you read WP:PLAINSIMPLE as a good getting started guide. Also WP:TUTORIAL and WP:INTRODUCTION. Cheers, Ocaasi ^{t | c} 17:26, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what is my mistake and I don't know why I'm blocked I'm new her so lease help me!}} or at least tell me what is my mistake. (talk) 18:41, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

You are not blocked. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 18:50, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Your request for adoption

Are you still looking for adoption. I noticed your "I live for science" and "humanist" user boxes and figured that may make you a good adoptee for me. Let me know if you are still interested. I only speak English by the way, just so you know. You can reply here, or on my talk page. --TimL (talk) 15:28, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

BTW Interesting questions at the reference desk. I've learned two things already! It just made me realize not only is it a good place to ask questions, it's a good place to learn things by just reading through the questions and answers. Maybe you should adopt me. (although I'm prob. about 20 years older given that you are in high school) :) --TimL (talk) 15:37, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

yes i am definitely still interested.I'm Persian but i think i can write in English very well (can I?) and i have a lot of free time for now.--Irrational number (talk) 16:39, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes you can write english very well. Since you are still interested would you like me to adopt you? (If you'd rather someone else adopt you, here is a list of available adopters.) Keep in mind my time zone is UTC-4 so there may be some lag in our communication, depending on your time zone. Thanks. --TimL (talk) 17:04, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I am awake most of the time (I slept 3 in the morning lat night for example), so yes!--Irrational number (talk) 17:17, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Consider yourself adopted. You make the rules. Well, we both will. Consider me available for any guidance you need, I'll be watching your talk page, monitoring your contributions (great questions btw), and for anything specific you can use my talk page as needed. Don't worry about cluttering it up. I can archive discussions if need be. --TimL (talk) 18:25, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Ok.Thanks.--Irrational number (talk) 18:38, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

userboxes

I hope you don't mind, I used the {{Boxboxtop}} and {{Boxboxbottom}} templates to organize your user boxes. --TimL (talk) 12:32, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot.--Irrational number (talk) 12:37, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

You also now have a handy link to your persian user page on the left column. I added the following code to the bottom of your page: [[fa:user:Irrational number]]

You may, of course, remove it if you wish. Also, you can add [[en:user:Irrational number]] to your persian wikipedia user page to let users of the persian wikipedia know you have a persian wikipedia page, if you wish. --TimL (talk) 17:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I did it. thanks.--Irrational number (talk) 19:46, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

:)

يک زبان کافي نيست --TimL (talk) 20:18, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I think you're right! by the way. since I don't type Farsi very fast,I Translated it on paper first. I'm nearly done with that now.--Irrational number (talk) 20:21, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

you know what? I think the Persian Wikipedia has a LOT of issues.The molecule article has only 18 lines... Questions are left unanswered in reference desk... :(--Irrational number (talk) 20:36, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

That's funny, I was just there and came to the same conclusion. Many of their Help articles seem incomplete or poorly written, uhm, I don't know, kind of rude. I actually felt like I was being talked down to (mind you this was a machine translation of the site). The translation guidelines seemed overly strict. Maybe its's just a difference of culture. --TimL (talk) 21:32, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Maybe that's because not many Iranians know about Wikipedia. My chemistry teacher was the first one who told me about Wikipedia, and it seemed that (by that time, maybe two years ago or so) only academic people knew about it.(BTW, do you know how do they research in (or on?) internet in my country? Ctrl+(A-C-V-P) :) )--Irrational number (talk) 21:40, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Interesting. I don't get the reference to Ctrl+(A-C-V-P) :) ) though what are they copying and pasting? Doesn't Iran gov't censor a lot of the internet? Or no. --TimL (talk) 00:47, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

not as much as china or some other countries. but political and some religious stuff(any religion but islam)is filtered also anything containing word "sex". but everyone can use anti-filters.By the way it means that you select all(ctrl+a) you copy,etc.just kidding,not everybody does it that way--Irrational number (talk) 00:52, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Recommended reading

This page on the Persian Wikipedia seems to have a lot of information for what you are trying to do. The English Wikipedia guide to translation is of little use for those trying to translate from english, unfortunately. --TimL (talk) 21:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

isn't that what I'm doing?--Irrational number (talk) 21:31, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes you are translating from english. I was just pointing out that there is no help offered here on the english wikipedia for what you are trying to do. That's why I gave you a link to the Persian article, which should be much more helpful. It's all about translating from other languages to fārsi. --TimL (talk) 21:35, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I get it. and it is helpful.thanks--Irrational number (talk) 21:42, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Article Progress

There's only one paragraph left to finish the article and I found out that there was a little mistake in the article name: I typed "ظ" instead of "ط" (and you can see how small that point is!) I haven't saved it yet. what can I do about it?--Irrational number (talk) 22:01, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

hey its done you can see it as "هیدرو کربن افلاظونی" in Farsi Wikipedia--Irrational number (talk) 22:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Congrats! Looks great. --TimL (talk) 22:46, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I have looked at Tetrahedrane before, always wondered if carbon could "do" that. Someone's put a lot of work into that article since I last looked at it. --TimL (talk) 23:00, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

By the way you will see I added interwiki links to the bottom of English article [[fa:هیدرو کربن افلاظونی]] and a bunch to the bottom of your article (I just copied them from the english article). --TimL (talk) 23:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Adoptee Award

		Award of First Success
		Congratulations on translating your first article from English to فارسی (Persian)!

TimL (talk) 22:57, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!--Irrational number (talk) 23:27, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

by the way I should rename (move) the article and According to page move article, I can't!--Irrational number (talk) 23:32, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Never mind. its ok now (who did it?)--Irrational number (talk) 23:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

An Admin on the Persian Wikipedia. He saw the typo and moved it to the correct name. (Hey maybe Persian wikipedia not so bad after all!) At the top of the page click "View History". That will tell you. Also the file should be on your watch list ("My Watchlist") at the top which will show you recent changes to any articles you have created or changed (although this depends on your preferences). I notice he speaks Fārsi and English as well, you might want to contact him on his talk page, introduce yourself and let him know that you are interested in translating pages into the persian wikipedia. He may be do that sort of thing himself, though it seems you pretty much have the hang of it! --TimL (talk) 00:09, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

by the way, are you an atheist or roman catholic? Just curious you know...--Irrational number (talk) 00:28, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Technically, both. :) Somewhere is a record of my "confirmation" which means I'm officially a Roman Catholic. I suppose there is some sort of method of "quitting", but honestly I have no idea how that works. Don't really care. As far as my beliefs, I'm a "weak" atheist. I do not claim there is no God, I merely see no reason to invoke the idea that a God needs exist to explain anything around me. According to this there is 200:1 chance you are muslim. Is there any concept of religious tolerance in Iran? Besides yourself? :) There are parts of America that are not tolerant at all, think the US is a "Christian nation" (not true), and try to enforce their values on the rest of society. --TimL (talk) 01:21, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, the problem is they always assume you are a shia Muslim, which makes thing a little hard.changing religion is illegal in Iran, read Apostasy in Islam.but its ok. most people don't mind.--Irrational number (talk) 07:04, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I read the the article and it just adds to my feeling the Islam is a "scary" religion, merely the idea of Apostasy scares me. To kill someone for their beliefs? Their should be international law against it. I can see the usefulness of it. It's no good for a religion if you just let people leave it freely. Many denominations of christianity have lesser punishments which may find you estranged from the whole community if you decide to change your beliefs, Mormonism for example. You say most people don't mind, but it doesn't sound like an option in, for example, Saudi Arabia. In general I get the impression Muslims take religion far too seriously. Is my fear of Islam misguided? --TimL (talk) 19:17, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, yes and no.my mom is a lawyer,and she says that these kinds of laws are practically abandoned, because if they were supposed to be applied, there would be a lot of people executed everyday.The same is for zina(that would be a LOT of people).I'm not defending Islam, since I'm not a moslem and I do agree that Islam has a great potential for violence.But things are entirely different in moslem countries.It takes time for these counties to get better.however, if you go out into the streets and yell that you have changed your religion, its highly probable that they kill you.(but don't get me wrong, I don't agree with death penalty (or any other violent action) for any crime (and in this case this is not even a crime.).)--Irrational number (talk) 07:01, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Good to know! --TimL (talk) 04:32, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

I just talked to that administrator. he said you just tell me the subject you are interested in and you will get a list of articles to be translated.--Irrational number (talk) 00:44, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

the list consists of about 25-30 articles to translate. they were called vital articles. some needed to be expanded and some needed to be created--Irrational number (talk) 00:48, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Books

You had asked me about writing books, just wanted to let you know that a virtual and/or a real physical book can be created from any article or arbitrary set of articles with the link to the left under "Print/Export" menu which should appear next to any article. --TimL (talk) 19:01, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

thanks.In some articles, for example rubidium, there are some books in the "see also" part. this made me think that maybe putting articles in such books may be useful.Is it?--Irrational number (talk) 07:06, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean adding information from the book to the article? If so, yes, as long as it is properly cited and not copied verbatim. You may want to read WP:PARAPHRASE, as a starting point. (It talks about what NOT to do but also shows what's the right way to go about it). --TimL (talk) 16:10, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah I see what you mean. Wikibooks. I'm not exactly sure what you are asking. Do you mean making some articles into books an then putting them in the "See Also" section? I'm not sure if that's useful, in fact, I'm not sure of the usefulness of the books that are listed under Rubidum, since anyone can create a book from any set of articles on their own. I suppose if, for example you see a novel way of organizing a certain set of articles, you could create a book out of them, and add that book to each article's "See Also" section. I guess that is what others have done for Rubidium. Hope that helps. --TimL (talk) 16:19, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

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(What's new?) چه خبر؟

I think I found a good website for learning Persian: http://www.easypersian.com/farsi/lesson_1.htm

It would be interesting to see if I could get to fa-2, or ultimately fa-3 and help translate some articles like you are. I thought of this because I noticed the Persain entry for English had a cleanup tag on it. It's very intriguing at this point. !به سلامتی (however you say "Cheers!" in Persian, I could not figure it out.) --TimL (talk) 04:26, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi! I haven't touched my computer for two days. I've been busy(!) reading The Host (novel) by Stephenie Meyer and The Other Wind by Ursula K. Le Guin(I haven't finished "the other wind" yet).It is great that I see you are interested in Farsi.It is a great language :D.one of its advantages is that It has a lot of beautiful poetry,and the other one is that with a few exceptions, you almost read exactly what you see(you'll understand what I mean).Its disadvantage is that, in some cases, there are many signs for a single sound in Persian, for example for the Zzz sound we have four different letters, we have words that can be written wrong in more than a hundred ways(but don't be scared!you have to be veeeery stupid to make such mistakes, which you're not)in other words, reading in Persian is WAY easier than writing.(maybe I can help you learn if you're interested; after all, that's one of the few things I know!) BTW, I am interested in knowing how the Wikipedia fonts are chosen. the Persian and Arabic fonts are horrible.Where can I talk about it?and one more thing. Its something about translating. I translated "solid" in platonic solid into the Persian equivalent for polyhedron. do you know any other better synonym for solid in this case? because most dictionaries translate solid with regard to the state of matter called solid... thanks!-Irrational number (talk) 23:06, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

I'll admit, never much liked fiction, I very much like non-fiction works, esp. about science and the philosophy of science. I very much like books about human mental health (I'm reading "Dangerous Secrets" by Michael Weissberg, pretty obscure).

That's good to know about Farsi, I want to do a few lessons from that website and I'll get back to you on that.

The closest synonym to solid in this case would be "body", however not the usual definition, so probably you would have the same problem with translating body. The appropriate definition to be translated would be the fourth definition in the NOAD

[ often with adj. ] technical a distinct material object: the path taken by the falling body"

That makes me think translating the word "object" might give you the best translation, actually.

As far as the fonts, I'm not totally sure but I've always thought this has more to do with the computer than the website. That is your computer renders the fonts, not the website. But if they are picking a bad font, my guess is you would have to start at the help desk, and if no help is offered you would want to open up an "Request for Comment" WP:RFC (assuming the Persian Wikipedia has such thing). If neither of those options work out let me know, it may need to be taken up with the organization that runs ALL the wikipedias.

Also above, you said you are not Muslim, do you have a religious affiliation? You are one of the 0.6% non-Muslim population of Iran? Isn't that intimidating? Just curious. --TimL (talk) 22:57, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Actually I'm an atheist by definition, but I don't like the name.see this to understand what I mean (the religion part).I think that the universe does not need god to be explained.And no, that's not intimidating. I just don't talk about my views.And in places like Tehran, Its not very dangerous to talk about it.Almost every one around me(my parents, my aunts and uncles and even my grandma) are atheists, but we don't talk about it.--Irrational number (talk) 23:28, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

We are on the same page, then. I do not like the name either, because most people do not understand what it means. Have you seen Wikipedia entry on Weak and strong atheism? By definition we are both "weak" atheists. We do not claim there is no god, as you say "[we] think that the universe does not need god to be explained." It's funny I was just having a discussion last night about this with my Mormon friend and his agnostic roommate. We both agreed that agnosticism and (weak) atheism overlap a bit. However agnosticism is a claim about a "not knowing", atheism is a deduction based on what you see around you. Very closely related to weak atheism is ignosticism, I may actually fall more into that category, because it seems everyone has their own idea of "god" (indeed if asked, I might say "god" is the entire universe, or multiverse). Truthfully I don't fit into one box or the other, my beliefs fluctuate with my experience. Sometimes based on what I see I feel like their can't be a god, other times, when I think about human consciousness and awareness I think there must be a god and wonder if consciousness is a mirror of what this god is. My Mormon friend doesn't like to talk about his beliefs probably because I find them so strange and give him a pretty hard time about them. --TimL (talk) 00:53, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, I think that intelligence and consciousness are a property of the world we live in.A property that in some sense you can't ask why it exists.I think you've heard about the mount Rushmore argument?That they say that the universe (like mount Rushmore) needs a designer?well, when they talk about mount Rushmore, they are somehow comparing it with other mountains and because of its difference, they conclude it must have a designer.But you can't talk about the whole universe that way, because (apparently) there is nothing else out there to compare the universe (or multiverse, because it makes no difference here!) with. What I mean is maybe the whole universe is conscious, and I'm only a small part of this Great conscious system (and maybe that can overcome fear of death,too)--Irrational number (talk) 11:34, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

You are plagiarizing my mind! ;-)

"What I mean is maybe the whole universe is conscious, and I'm only a small part of this Great conscious system (and maybe that can overcome fear of death,too)" This is exactly how I've thought about things. We sure are on the same page in this respect. Only it took 15 more years than you to start figuring this stuff out! You are obviously very, very smart. Do you find that you seem to be the smartest person you know (in real life) and have trouble finding people on the same "wavelength'? I have had this problem. I know it sounds arrogant, and believe me, I am stupid in many ways, but as far as scientific thinking and reasoning I feel pretty lonely, i.e. it's lonely at the top. Neither of my parents and none of my siblings have this "kind" of intelligence. I have rarely if ever run into anyone who thinks on the same level I do. Cheers. --TimL (talk) 15:03, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Mount Rushmore argument; hadn't heard of this but it is argument from design, a bedrock concept of Creation Science which has morphed into the Intelligent Design movement (pure bunk!) in the U.S.A. This is why I am a member of the National Center for Science Education. You may find the Kitzmiller trial an interesting read to see how controversial science (specifically evolution) is in some parts of the US. The same people who cannot follow the causal factors of evolution seem to think anthropogenic global warming is a hoax.

I feel pretty alone too in this sense.Although my parents don't have any religion, but so what?I can't sit down and talk to them!but I think the best thing that most people (including atheists) forget is that we have to try to understand each other and stop avoiding each other because of our different believes.I'm not a moslem, but sometimes I enjoy fasting in ramadhan! Because I try to understand moslems, how they think,etc.I see people discussing about religion, but sometimes they make me sick, because their debate turns into two monologues instead of a dialogue.Neither side tries to understand the other, they just think about the audience and how to answer the person on other side.I think this is the root of almost EVERY problem, that people don't try to understand.I think we all must let our believes change, let others attack our believes....--Irrational number (talk) 19:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

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English

You are definitely at least en-3 :) --TimL (talk) 04:22, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

thanks! but don't think so :D, and I think it's safer to consider my self in a lower level!--Irrational number (talk) 11:16, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I was just following this because I read your question on the ref desk, and started looking at your user page. As per Wikipedia:Babel/Levels it is perfectly clear that your English is level 3. If you are reading Stephenie Meyer in English (I doubt she would have been translated into Farsi, although I am surprised you can get these books into Iran in any language) there is no realistic doubt that your English is quite proficient. Of course you can put whatever you want for your userbox, but if you can read with, at most, using a monolingual dictionary, level 3 is the one. You can also drop me a line if you have any questions, although obviously TimL has been most helpful. As for being useful to Wikipedia (as mentioned on the user page) you seem to be going about it the right way. IBE (talk) 12:48, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi, actually it's been a long time that I haven't talked English, but I can read and write to some extent.And since the third level was "advanced", I thought I'm maybe ,you know, not that good.but reading the article you mentioned, I think maybe I am level 3, and by the way, Stephenie Meyer's books are translated to Farsi (mostly because it's the genre that most Iranian teens like... Fantasy) but I have read English books before (like "unfortunate events" by Lemony Snicket)... thanks!--Irrational number (talk) 13:36, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi again, can I just ask, that must mean her novels are openly sold in bookstores (I was originally thinking you bought them through Amazon). How far can people go then, with Westernised values, "adult" content etc.? I haven't read the novels, but I understand Twilight to go further with relationships than one might expect to be permissible in such a restrictive country. I hope I'm not asking a political question, but I've always been interested in Iran from all the stories I've heard from my Baha'i friends - I know they all listened to Pink Floyd back in the 1980s, but largely because it was forbidden. Western stuff always got through somehow, but books in translation, that seems more open. IBE (talk) 14:09, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

feel free to ask any question you like.well, these books are classified as fantasy, so they don't get really serious about it, however, when I read it, I too was surprised how it could get passed through the hands of [Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guidance (Iran)], but I think as long as the content doesn't threaten the government (and if they are not very popular, for example, some parts of harry potter is censored), they don't get too serious about it... And you can find any kind of music and books you like, if you really LOOK for them, but they are not... legal (but the twilight saga was legal)but since EVERYONE listen to western music and everything, they can't do anything about it even if they want.(besides are you a Baha'i?I've never met a Baha'i before, they're under a lot of pressure from the government here...)--Irrational number (talk) 17:02, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I'm a Baha'i. It is sad that Baha'is have it so bad in Iran, and a shame that there is nothing we can do. Be careful, by the way, not to accidentally edit under an IP (ie. without logging in as your username) because then the government could easily find you - although perhaps they wouldn't worry too much. I'm just concerned that an Iranian citizen corresponding with a Baha'i in another country might be putting himself in a bad position. I think it is much harder if you use your username - as I was asking on the computing ref desk, it seems hard for them to trace you, and they presumably have more important things to worry about.

I've heard that Iranian schools are totally segregated - no boys and girls at the same school. Then at university, I was told the girls all sit at the front, the guys at the back. Is this true? IBE (talk) 06:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Well it's true about schools, but in the university it depends on the class, and the students themselves.--Irrational number (talk) 14:24, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

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		Thank you for your continued contributions on the Reference Desk! --Lgriot (talk) 17:51, 6 January 2012 (UTC)|} thanks... I guess :D--Irrational number (talk) 20:41, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

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