Talk:Korkoro

Covering the French reviews

I found out a few reviews 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. Could anyone help adding content from these links, they are in French._morelMW^illiam 18:22, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Copyediting

I'm doing the peer review for this per request, and suggested a copyedit from a member of the GOCE, but a copyedit should only work on the phrasing, not on the content, which was in the process of being reviewed. Edits such as this are worrying, because the page should be as comprehensive as possible and the primary contributor should be consulted before material is removed. So, I'm just making sure that's been done, and that questions are brought to the talk page. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:40, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm ... I guess I take a broader view of what copyediting entails. In any case, the requester is keeping an eye on what I've done (and has objected to something else I've taken out). We'll hash it out, now that I've finished my slicing and dicing. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:46, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. If you discuss here that would be helpful to me, to I can see what's going on. I'd intended to finish the peer review, and then saw you were copyediting so decided to wait. At this point it's easier for me to have an eye on the conversation as I review the page. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 12:47, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I added around 3 sentences from the article that I came across just now : one in the casting section, of a character played by Django Reinhardt's great grandson and the others in the music section, about the java track and Catherine Ringer. _morelMW^illiam 18:47, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'm done with the copyediting. MorelMWilliam has suggested expanding the introduction. I'm not certain if that's a request for my opinion or for me actually doing it, but in light of Truthkeeper88's comments, I think it's best to put that on hold for the moment if it's the latter. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Comments

I've fixed some of the issues raised on my talk page. I'll wait until finishing the copy edit to return to the following which require looking at the original version in the history:

• Rewording the reason for Claude leaving the orphanage
• The manner in which the passports were processed
• Deciding whether to retrieve the cut information from the background section

A very minor issue that needs to be fixed now is that according to WP:MOSTITLE single songs have quotation marks but not italics. If that could be fixed it would be great. Generally I think it looks good. Please check my copy edits for accuracy. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:10, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the background section, I wasn't aware of the clear template. Now it is fine. And on the processing of passports, Lundy processed their passports, faking their identities, to protect them from the French Gendermarie. To save your time in seeking through the history, the earlier version stated that 'Lundy processed their passports in a way favourable to the Roma'. _morelMW^illiam 05:50, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Questions:

• How old is Claude and how does he know about the Romani? Does he just happen to find a caravan or does he actively seek it? I think that needs clarification.

• Claude is nine years old. He escapes from his orphanage as he is tired of the confined life there and gets into the woods. He doesn't know about the Romani. The Romani come across him later and adopt him. They name the boy, Korkoro. _morelMW^illiam 15:53, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

• Processing of the passports: did Lundi not record the movements of the Romani. I understand a manner favorable to them but think it needs to be more specifc - what exactly did she do?

• The Vichy France used to control the movements of the Romani by monitoring their movements from their passports. Lundi forges it, choosing not to record their movements. This way, the Romani can escape the law that forbidding travel beyond a threshold._morelMW^illiam 15:53, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

• In the themes section it mentions that it's Shindlerian because of Lavoine's actions - should that be Rosier instead of Lavoine?

• Yes, it has to be Rosier. _morelMW^illiam 15:53, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

• On a re-read, I'm finding some repetition between the themes section and the reception - try to go through and eliminate everything that's repeated, or at least as much as can be done.

• Will work on it._morelMW^illiam 15:53, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

• MoS issue - quoted material doesn't have wikilinks.

• Would look into it._morelMW^illiam 15:53, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

The prose is looking better. I'll continue to pick at, time permitting. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:26, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your time. I am very happy to see the way the page has improved. _morelMW^illiam 15:53, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

I'd suggest adding in the clarifications about Claude and the passports as you've written here. When I swing through for a final copyedit, I'll fix if necessary. Truthkeeper (talk) 00:03, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Added the clarifications to the plot. Would work on reception section and wikilinking as per MoS later. _morelMW^illiam 06:32, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Reverts & GAR archives

User:MonelMwilliams has been repeatedly reverting a minor improvement I made to this article's lead for MOS:LEAD. In his last revert he claims that a GAR was done on this article to expand the lead and I should read the GAR archive, I can't locate anything to show that a GAR was done or that any GAR archive exists for this page. RobertRosen (talk) 13:15, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Check the GAR and peer review archives. Content removals are not minor edits; typo fixings are. Refrain from making major edits before discussing here. This article underwent major copyedits, 2 peer reviews followed by a successful GAR and was under the attention of multiple experienced wikipedians. I find no problems with the lead and so did the peer reviewers and the GAR while checking for WP:MOS. If you go read what the movie is all about, you would come across Romanies and this sentence serves to describe the movie's multi ethnic cast. This article follows a style consistently followed in film related featured articles. _morelMW^illiam 14:42, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Is there any other experienced editor on this article who is capable of directing me to the (mythical) WP:GAR archive User:MonelMwilliams referred to when he reverted me ? I am particularly interested in seeing if any specific mention was made concerning if Django Rheinhardt's then 11 year old grandson is notable enough for inclusion in the prestigious lead section. RobertRosen (talk) 18:41, 14 November 2012 (UTC).

It is very simple. Just visit the GAR archives of this article, or start with reading through WP:GAR as you seem to be unfamiliar with GARs. The lead was expanded by multiple editors, especially by WP:GOCE team. If you have problems, wait for support from multiple editors. I don't find your suggestion notable enough; deletion of this info should be followed by the addition of another info or the lead would become too small and not be a summary of the entire article, as mandated for FAR candidates, especially with an awkward two-sentence-paragraph. The article would anyway be undergoing an another peer review and maybe there would be a window for change then._morelMW^illiam 04:24, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I hope you know that the "R" in GAR stands for "RE-assessment" ? I don't need to wait for YOUR claimed peer review. If there is a small and obvious problem on the page it needs to be fixed NOW !. Are you deliberately preventing me from editing this article in a manner you don't like ? Kindly also review WP:MINOR as you seem to be unfamiliar with it. My edit was a presentational change and did not affect the meaning of the article. If there are no other editors coming forward for this page don't obstruct me from editing per MOS:LEAD. That would again show your continuing lack of AGF. RobertRosen (talk) 04:41, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Kindly read WP:MINOR again. "Adding or removing content in an article" is NOT a minor edit." Kindly wait for consensus before blanking content. I am assuming good faith. That is the reason I am even talking to you. If you think this article needs an another GAR, kindly go forward and make a nomination and wait for other editors who agree with you. You might also find WP:GAN informative. Nobody is claiming anything here. Kindly check the past peer reviews and GARs of this article to see the amount of work that went through in its editing before accusing/ alleging anything. _morelMW^illiam 05:21, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I have NOT removed any "content". The lead only summarises the essence of what already exists as content.The content was kept in place and was not altered by even a single character. What was done was "presentational". I have not "blanked" content. You know very well that I cant go for GAR while there is a "dispute". So you are deliberately creating a dispute to block me from an eventual GAR. AFAICS there is not even a single GAR for this article. Please provide me the link to it, if you can. RobertRosen (talk) 05:39, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

The GARs are right at the top of this page in the article milestones! If you had read WP:GA and all other related pages, you would have known. Well, now you know that your edit was not presentational, and it is not a valid reason for a GAR anyway. Besides, this article would have no problems with another GAR. I wouldn't mind it being seen by other experienced GA reviewers, assuming that you have only the community reassessment route. _morelMW^illiam 05:53, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

The article milestones do not contain any GAR for this article. Incidentally it was the first thing I checked. You have deliberately wasted my time with disruptive, obstructive, evasive, weaselly and uncivil edits/talk. For the last time I am asking you to give me a working link to the GAR archive link you referred to when you last reverted me. For our reference I am again setting out the links above so you can't tamper with them. I believe this article is quite poorly written in certain places and can only improve after editing by an expert like me. I also have a vast personal book library on films and cinema and I intend to improve/fix it with proper references from actual books.

Article milestones

Date Process Result

June 19, 2011 Peer review Reviewed

July 22, 2011 Peer review Reviewed

August 19, 2011 Good article nominee Listed

October 5, 2011 Featured article candidate Not promoted

FYI, Aug,19,2011 is not a GAR. RobertRosen (talk) 11:05, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

We all know who is wasting time here. Don't you see that the 'Process' column is full of links to the reviews? You have books that talk about this movie, Korkoro? Very interesting. I believe this article covers anything and everything that was ever written about this anywhere. Do keep a few adjectives for later use. And try to stay calm and civil. _morelMW^illiam 11:38, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

So you concede that there is no link to any GAR (Good Article REASSESSMENT) review here or in any archive at Wikipedia as you falsely stated for the impugned edit summary in the following words "Undid revision 522983808 by RobertRosen (talk)List your concerns on the talk page. The lead was expanded during its GAR. Go read the archives" . You have about 3 hours left (by my count) to still trace out the referred GAR before I can begin undoing your disruptive and obstructive 3RR paused edits. Alternatively you (as a Resident editor and a Most Interested Person for this article) can voluntarily assist me (your guest and a passer-by) in locating anything to suggest that a) there was a GAR on date xxxxx at time yyyyy or b) that the question of Django Reinhardt's grandson was specifically discussed for inclusion in the lead in terms of MOS:LEAD norms. RobertRosen (talk) 12:47, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I told you where to find the archives. The article milestones provide both the date and the link to the Good article review. No experienced reviewer found any concern with the lead. And you have to discuss it HERE, with me. I find no merit in your suggestion. If you concede that this sentence is not significant, find me another significant info to be added to the lead and we shall see what to do. _morelMW^illiam 12:56, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I am not interest in a Good Article "review". You misrepresented there to be a [[WP::GAR]] which means Good Article REASSESMENT to revert me. You failed to clarify this point repeatedly. I do have to discuss it HERE but not ONLY with YOU. You have a long history of initiating several (losing) disputes notices with me. I have never initiated any dispute notice against you. I have not said the sentence is "not significant" and neither have I said it is "significant". I am going strictly by MOS:LEAD which is the specific clause for this edit. I am not your servant to find you a substitute. Bring me a replacement and I shall evaluate your choice to see what WE can do. Our standings as editors are unequal, I am the senior editor at Wikipedia over you by quite a few years. RobertRosen (talk) 13:32, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Seniority? You never fail to disappoint me. Oh, reassessment? 'Strictly' by MOS:LEAD? There were MOS checks both in its GAR and its FAR and no concern was raised by experts. For your information, Good article review and reassessment are the same. If you want a reassessment for your personal reasons, try a community reassessment, although I find it unnecessary. More on your 'strict' adherence to MOS:LEAD, where does it 'strictly' forbid the inclusion of your not so favourite sentence in the lead? _morelMW^illiam 14:00, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi William, I don't think this edit should have had a wholesale revert. There are good copyedits there and someone who saw your request on my talk took the initiative. I do remember mentioning in one of the reviews that the Romani should be mentioned in the lead but honestly can't remember that the boy was in the lead in the earlier version of the article. I haven't re-read the page since last year and might be busy for a few days, but as soon as I can will have a look. In the meantime, I think you might want to keep the tweaks to the prose. Truthkeeper (talk) 10:44, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello Truthkeeper! User:OsianFan's revert looks like a personal attack, User:IndianBLP's edits at Anuradha Ghandy. I reverted his edits. Should we request a page protection? _morelMW^illiam 11:08, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I want help improve the article. I have made some changes. This is a good article but can be made nicer. Love and kisses from Chennai India darling - remember me ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.151.50.98 (talk) 12:49, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

REVERTING WITHOUT TALKING IS UNCIVIL AND IS VANDALISM. I HAVE REVERTED YOU.

Body double

There is a coffee table book in our Osian library about Gautam Banerji. I will scan and upload the photos. OsianFan (talk) 14:12, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Upload the scanned copies of your coffee table here before you make such claims. Even an isbn number with the author and other details would do. Thanks. _morelMW^illiam 05:17, 17 November 2012 (UTC)