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*Black liquid in the bathtub (from "Bleed Black")<br><br>
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The time 3:33 mysteriously reoccurs throughout the film. The mysterious number "37" also appears on the classroom door. In one scene, band member [[Adam Carson]] is seen playing poker with a hand consisting of three threes and two sevens. These numbers have a secret meaning that has something to do with ''Sing the Sorrow'', but the meaning has yet to be revealed.
The time 3:33 mysteriously reoccurs throughout the film. The mysterious number "37" also appears on the classroom door. In one scene, band member [[Adam Carson]] is seen playing poker with a hand consisting of three threes and two sevens. These numbers have a secret meaning that has something to do with ''Sing the Sorrow'', but the meaning has yet to be revealed.
before this album came out, they released a 10" disk, and called it "336". No one could figure out why, and it was a bit of a secret. All they would really tell us was that when Sing the Sorrow came out, it would all be made clear. Well, they dropped some hints in the meantime. One
time while upgrading the messageboard, they left links to astrology, numerology, and the ummm.... I think the chinese zodiac? Another time, a hint was dropped... they said that "336" wasn't really important.. it was just "what comes before." It came before Sing the Sorrow. Meaning that STS was "337." And we really had to figure out what 337 meant. Also, there were the rabbits. They had posters and stuff with rabbits on them. And other weird mentions of rabbits. In the liner notes from STS, it says, "Rabbits are roadkill." So Sing the Sorrow came out, and no one could figure it out. Then their short film, "Clandestine" came out. It had the
cd, the dvd short film, and a 60 page little hardcover book, which was like a big colored version of the cd booklet. Thw whole style is of faded, worn pages. The pages are old and stained... brownish stains.. But as you flip through the book, you begin to realize that
some of the stains and smudges are actually red. All of the stains are actually blood,
and dried blood. (I haven't seen the film in a long time, so I might have a few details wrong.) Now, in the film, it starts with Hunter holding a box with the Sing the Sorrow logo on it, running
through the forest. He looks at a paper, and
keeps running. The paper gets dropped, and
you see that it says Room 37 at 3:33. He runs
into a classroom full of kids. The board
says, "nothing from nowhere." Then
you see Adam playing cards. The box is on the
table (in the pot), along with a watch, keys,
a magnifying glass, a bottle of dark fluid, a
white chrysanthemum, and a live rabbit. Adam
has 336 in his hand. He wins, takes the box,
and goes to leave, but the box falls apart in
his hands. You see that two of the guys at
the table have actually smuggled away the
real box. It flashes to Dave in a cafe. He is
writing in a book (the book that comes with
Clandestine... it's like the cd booklet, but
better), with the box on the table. A strange
woman comes up and kisses him, stealing the
box. She leaves, and he goes back to writing.
He notices the box is gone, and leaves. It
flashes to Jade walking into the classroom,
(the board says "I am no one at
all." and through another door in the
class, which leads him into a house. You see
him snooping through the house. Going
upstairs, going through drawers, looking
behind dressers, etc. He goes into the
bathroom, and the tub is filled with a black
fluid. He reaches in, and pulls out the box.
You see a hand at the door of the bathroom
(maybe the hand of the woman from the cafe?),
trying to open it. They unlock the door (with
the keys from the card table?) Jade jumps
into the tub, going down, down into the
water. He comes walking out of the water on a
beach. He walks across the sand to a small
table where all the members sit waiting. He
places the box on the table, and they open
it. End of film. You never see what is or
isn't inside. Throughout the movie, it
flashes the clock, which, for every person's
scene, is on 3:33, and at the very end, I
believe it's 3:37.
Now, I have friends that spent forever
figuring this out, and I helped some. They
looked up esoteric astrology, chinese
astrolgy, and numerolgy, among other things.
Clandestine means something secret or hidden.
Esoteric also means hidden.
"Miseria Cantare" is Latin for
"Sing the Sorrow."
3 x 37 = 111. I'm not positive, but I hear
that 777 represents god, or perfection. In
Transference, Dave wrote, "I'm 111 less
than perfection." 777 - 111 = 666. Dun
dun DUUUUNNN. (P.S., NO, they are in no way
devil worshippers. Just for your info.) Also,
Three denotes divine perfection; Seven
denotes spiritual perfection.
In esoteric astrology, 336 represents
physical death, and the events leading up to
it. There were only 2 songs on the 336 disk.
Some of the lyrics of one of the songs say,
"We're all now in dying days.... I gave
up fighting. I've come to be these
halos."
337 represents the act of reincarnation.
This is important: In chinese astrology, Dave
is a RABBIT. He was born the year of the
rabbit. RABBITS CANNOT BE REINCARNATED.
Rabbits are on their last life in this world,
and do not have another chance.
In numerology, Dave's life path number is 3.
In some middle eastern philosophy, they say
that there are 37 deeds you must do before
you can reach nirvana, or peace/heaven, and
be done on the wheel of life.
The whole cd goes in a circle. The sounds at
the end are backwards. They end in the same
beat and same key as the beginning of the cd.
It's one continuous loop. The music before
This Time Imperfect is the same played
forward as it is played backward.
The front of the album has the symbol of
falling leaves. Falling leaves represent
death, and returning to the earth. The back
of the album has a symbol of water. Water
represents rebirth. All of the art for this
album has been circles. Another symbol of
something repeating, of reincarnation. Also,
at the beginning of the film, Hunter is
running through the forest (leaves), and at
the end, they're on the beach (water). The
black fluid in the bathtub relates to
"Bleed Black." The chrysanthemum on
the card table relates to "The Great
Disappointment." It's all crazy.
Basically, the whole theme is death and
reincarnation, and the fact that he CANNOT
reincarnate again.
Look at the song lyrics. Although each song
as a whole isn't about this, there are
specific lines that corroborate this theory.
Example: "iscarnate." "Nothing
from nowhere, I'm no one at all."
Discarnate means being bodiless. Like
floating in time and space. Essentially,
being... nowhere. Nothing.
There are other questions as well, like why
are the leaving songs out of order? Well,
since the cd is one big circle, we don't
believe that it actually begins with Misera
Cantare. At the end of Clandestine, there is
breathing. Just like at the beginning of
Bleed Black. I believe that the album BEGINS
with Bleed Black. That would put the song as
beginning after Clandestine. There was a
theory that the box at the end was just
empty. (I forget why.) Well, the first words
are, "I am exploring the inside. I find
it desolate."
So, if it starts with Bleed Black, the
breathing at the beginning could represent
life. (Being born, perhaps?) That would put
the song whose lyrics say, "recreate
me," and more importantly, "I know
I died that night, and I'll never be brough
back to life once again." So, playing
that as the first song, and going full circle
around the cd, that puts the leaving songs
into order, and ends the cd with The Leaving
Song Pt II.
Now, some people think that Dave
"ies" over the course of this cd.
Some say that the "eath" (if there
is one) occurs during This Time Imperfect.
That would make sense that Miseria Cantare
would be the beginning... from nowhere.
Bodiless... Then comes The Leaving Song Pt
II, whose very first lyrics say, "on't
waste your touch, you won't feel
anything." The spanish in the song says,
""Yo he estado aquß muchas veces
antes y regreso" ("I have been here
many times before and I return"; "Y
regreso aquß otra vez y comenzo"
("So I return here once again and I
begin". Like being reborn. The circle of
birth and death and rebirth. "I saw its
birth. I watched it grow...."
Also the fact that the poem is read as in the
3 stages of life. Like he is aging through
it.
So yeah, it's pretty creepy.
That's most of it. There are other small
things, like, "Rabbits are
roadkill," and then there's the sound
of a vehicle accelerating through the rain at
the beginning of Silver and Cold. There is
also a very small, very blacked out picture
of what looks to be a truck or something
(maybe the vehicle?) in the book. All sorts
of details

Revision as of 01:39, 14 June 2006

Clandestine is a short film written by and featuring the members of the band AFI, and directed by Norwood Cheek. It was released in a special edition box set of their 2003 album Sing the Sorrow. There are two soundtracks that can be selected on the DVD: one each by band members Hunter Burgan and Jade Puget.

The box that some versions of CD and DVD are packaged in is seen in the film. The band members try throughout the film to obtain the box, and once they do, they open it, but it is not revealed what is inside. Davey Havok is also seen writing the booklet that comes with the set. Above him is a picture similar to that on the cover of the band's album Black Sails in the Sunset but the large ship is notably missing from the picture.

Several elements from the lyrics of Sing the Sorrow appear in the film:

  • The writing on the chalkboard: "Nothing", "From Nowhere" and "I am no one at all" (from "Miseria Cantare")
  • A white crysanthemum (from "The Great Disappointment")
  • A rabbit (from "Rabbits are Roadkill on Route 37")
  • Black liquid in the bathtub (from "Bleed Black")

The time 3:33 mysteriously reoccurs throughout the film. The mysterious number "37" also appears on the classroom door. In one scene, band member Adam Carson is seen playing poker with a hand consisting of three threes and two sevens. These numbers have a secret meaning that has something to do with Sing the Sorrow, but the meaning has yet to be revealed. before this album came out, they released a 10" disk, and called it "336". No one could figure out why, and it was a bit of a secret. All they would really tell us was that when Sing the Sorrow came out, it would all be made clear. Well, they dropped some hints in the meantime. One time while upgrading the messageboard, they left links to astrology, numerology, and the ummm.... I think the chinese zodiac? Another time, a hint was dropped... they said that "336" wasn't really important.. it was just "what comes before." It came before Sing the Sorrow. Meaning that STS was "337." And we really had to figure out what 337 meant. Also, there were the rabbits. They had posters and stuff with rabbits on them. And other weird mentions of rabbits. In the liner notes from STS, it says, "Rabbits are roadkill." So Sing the Sorrow came out, and no one could figure it out. Then their short film, "Clandestine" came out. It had the cd, the dvd short film, and a 60 page little hardcover book, which was like a big colored version of the cd booklet. Thw whole style is of faded, worn pages. The pages are old and stained... brownish stains.. But as you flip through the book, you begin to realize that some of the stains and smudges are actually red. All of the stains are actually blood, and dried blood. (I haven't seen the film in a long time, so I might have a few details wrong.) Now, in the film, it starts with Hunter holding a box with the Sing the Sorrow logo on it, running through the forest. He looks at a paper, and keeps running. The paper gets dropped, and you see that it says Room 37 at 3:33. He runs into a classroom full of kids. The board says, "nothing from nowhere." Then you see Adam playing cards. The box is on the table (in the pot), along with a watch, keys, a magnifying glass, a bottle of dark fluid, a white chrysanthemum, and a live rabbit. Adam has 336 in his hand. He wins, takes the box, and goes to leave, but the box falls apart in his hands. You see that two of the guys at the table have actually smuggled away the real box. It flashes to Dave in a cafe. He is writing in a book (the book that comes with Clandestine... it's like the cd booklet, but better), with the box on the table. A strange woman comes up and kisses him, stealing the box. She leaves, and he goes back to writing. He notices the box is gone, and leaves. It flashes to Jade walking into the classroom, (the board says "I am no one at all." and through another door in the class, which leads him into a house. You see him snooping through the house. Going upstairs, going through drawers, looking behind dressers, etc. He goes into the bathroom, and the tub is filled with a black fluid. He reaches in, and pulls out the box. You see a hand at the door of the bathroom (maybe the hand of the woman from the cafe?), trying to open it. They unlock the door (with the keys from the card table?) Jade jumps into the tub, going down, down into the water. He comes walking out of the water on a beach. He walks across the sand to a small table where all the members sit waiting. He places the box on the table, and they open it. End of film. You never see what is or isn't inside. Throughout the movie, it flashes the clock, which, for every person's scene, is on 3:33, and at the very end, I believe it's 3:37. Now, I have friends that spent forever figuring this out, and I helped some. They looked up esoteric astrology, chinese astrolgy, and numerolgy, among other things. Clandestine means something secret or hidden. Esoteric also means hidden. "Miseria Cantare" is Latin for "Sing the Sorrow." 3 x 37 = 111. I'm not positive, but I hear that 777 represents god, or perfection. In Transference, Dave wrote, "I'm 111 less than perfection." 777 - 111 = 666. Dun dun DUUUUNNN. (P.S., NO, they are in no way devil worshippers. Just for your info.) Also, Three denotes divine perfection; Seven denotes spiritual perfection. In esoteric astrology, 336 represents physical death, and the events leading up to it. There were only 2 songs on the 336 disk. Some of the lyrics of one of the songs say, "We're all now in dying days.... I gave up fighting. I've come to be these halos." 337 represents the act of reincarnation. This is important: In chinese astrology, Dave is a RABBIT. He was born the year of the rabbit. RABBITS CANNOT BE REINCARNATED. Rabbits are on their last life in this world, and do not have another chance. In numerology, Dave's life path number is 3. In some middle eastern philosophy, they say that there are 37 deeds you must do before you can reach nirvana, or peace/heaven, and be done on the wheel of life. The whole cd goes in a circle. The sounds at the end are backwards. They end in the same beat and same key as the beginning of the cd. It's one continuous loop. The music before This Time Imperfect is the same played forward as it is played backward. The front of the album has the symbol of falling leaves. Falling leaves represent death, and returning to the earth. The back of the album has a symbol of water. Water represents rebirth. All of the art for this album has been circles. Another symbol of something repeating, of reincarnation. Also, at the beginning of the film, Hunter is running through the forest (leaves), and at the end, they're on the beach (water). The black fluid in the bathtub relates to "Bleed Black." The chrysanthemum on the card table relates to "The Great Disappointment." It's all crazy. Basically, the whole theme is death and reincarnation, and the fact that he CANNOT reincarnate again. Look at the song lyrics. Although each song as a whole isn't about this, there are specific lines that corroborate this theory. Example: "iscarnate." "Nothing from nowhere, I'm no one at all." Discarnate means being bodiless. Like floating in time and space. Essentially, being... nowhere. Nothing. There are other questions as well, like why are the leaving songs out of order? Well, since the cd is one big circle, we don't believe that it actually begins with Misera Cantare. At the end of Clandestine, there is breathing. Just like at the beginning of Bleed Black. I believe that the album BEGINS with Bleed Black. That would put the song as beginning after Clandestine. There was a theory that the box at the end was just empty. (I forget why.) Well, the first words are, "I am exploring the inside. I find it desolate." So, if it starts with Bleed Black, the breathing at the beginning could represent life. (Being born, perhaps?) That would put the song whose lyrics say, "recreate me," and more importantly, "I know I died that night, and I'll never be brough back to life once again." So, playing that as the first song, and going full circle around the cd, that puts the leaving songs into order, and ends the cd with The Leaving Song Pt II. Now, some people think that Dave "ies" over the course of this cd. Some say that the "eath" (if there is one) occurs during This Time Imperfect. That would make sense that Miseria Cantare would be the beginning... from nowhere. Bodiless... Then comes The Leaving Song Pt II, whose very first lyrics say, "on't waste your touch, you won't feel anything." The spanish in the song says, ""Yo he estado aquß muchas veces antes y regreso" ("I have been here many times before and I return"; "Y regreso aquß otra vez y comenzo" ("So I return here once again and I begin". Like being reborn. The circle of birth and death and rebirth. "I saw its birth. I watched it grow...." Also the fact that the poem is read as in the 3 stages of life. Like he is aging through it. So yeah, it's pretty creepy. That's most of it. There are other small things, like, "Rabbits are roadkill," and then there's the sound of a vehicle accelerating through the rain at the beginning of Silver and Cold. There is also a very small, very blacked out picture of what looks to be a truck or something (maybe the vehicle?) in the book. All sorts of details