Talk:Lana Del Rey

Performances section

Looking through the article, it's doing quite well. One glaring issues that pops out at me is the section titled "Performances" below the "Artistry" section. Is this section necessary or notable? Skimming through featured articles about solo female pop singers (i.e. Mariah Carey and Kylie Minogue) no such section exists. Certainly their performances are notable, but why are they not included? I vote for the removal of this section on the Lana Del Rey article. It seems like trivia and clutter, frankly. I would also consider splitting it into a separate article called List of Lana Del Rey performances or something similar. Again, I'm not sure the information is crucial to the encyclopedia. That aside, I think more could be said about Del Rey's music video artistry and public image. Thoughts welcome. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 14:09, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I think information about her performances should be included somewhere, maybe a less detailed version of the text in the performances section could be added to the life and career section. teammathi (talk) 07:56, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Splitting of life and career section

I don't think "2011–2012: Born to Die, Paradise, and product endorsements" and "2013–present: third studio album and The Great Gatsby" should be split. She is currently on her tour promoting Paradise and her song for The Great Gatsby was originally supposed to be on Paradise. I think we should start a new section when the "Born to Die and Paradise-era" is over and we start getting more information on her third studio album.

"On February 14, 2013 the music video for "Burning Desire" was released.[98] At the 2013 BRIT Awards, she won the award for International Female Solo Artist, making it her second BRIT Award to date.[99] Del Rey's win surprised critics who highly anticipated Taylor Swift to win the award.[99]" - this doesn't even have anything to do with the next album or Gatsby. teammathi (talk) 08:01, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Picture

She looks uncharacteristically bad in the first picture. I think it should be replaced, because people won't easily recognize it as her face. Is it even? She looks SO gross in that picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.138.65.233 (talk) 05:16, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Redirects

This article is loaded with links that revert back to the article. Thmazing (talk) 23:14, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Could you maybe list these links? teammathi (talk) 07:19, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Young and Beautiful (Lana Del Rey song) was redirected back to this article. I'm assuming that's what is being referred to. --74.67.72.168 (talk) 14:29, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Awards and nominations

I just found out that List of awards and nominations received by Lana Del Rey exists, now I'm not sure whether her awards should only be listed here or there. teammathi (talk) 08:54, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

The article still exists. I've flagged this article for merge, because it has higher traffic than the other one. I also added a link to that article in her nav template {{Lana Del Rey}}, to rescue it from orphan-hood. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 04:07, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Genres

Since we seem to have silly genres constantly added, can anyone point out solid sources that actually support 'alternative rock' and 'alternative hip hop'? --Michig (talk) 14:49, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Good question. I looked into this farther. It appears the genre Alternative rock sticks because she won the Best Alternative Act award, as well as her music being labeled under that genre on both Amazon.com and the iTunes Store (cue "Young and Beautiful". Additionally, her genre as rock seems to stem from all of her songs charting on the Hot Rock Songs Billboard chart in the U.S. This MTV considers her music rock as well (although it seems somewhat dubious). The alternative hip hop genre is propped up by a Pitchfork Media article that only seems to loosely suggest the music is hip hop, focusing instead on how her vocals compare to rapping. However, there are sources that seem to suggest her music is hip hop, including this one at Slant Magazine. There's another one from So So Gay on the Lana Del Rey (EP) article under the composition section for the song "Blue Jeans". There are a plethora of sources that call her "pop" (MTV, SPIN, and E! to name a few). With Allmusic calling it both retro-pop, alternative, and indie here. She places us in a difficult situation because critics are baffled by her output in terms of genre, each song having different placements from "Ride" being called soul pop and "Summertime Sadness" being trip hop and shoegazing. I think adding Alternative rock, hip hop, and pop are the vaguest, best-sourced genres we have for Del Rey. In terms of BLPs, broader genres tend to be best. I would stray from adding sadcore to the article. Although it is widely sourced, the page is flagged as being a potential neologism and was probably created by Del Rey fans in an attempt to validate the genre. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 15:14, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

I disagree. The 'sources' for most of these genres are either unreliable or vague, and classing her genre as hip hop simply because someone thought her vocals sounded a bit hip-hop-ish doesn't really make sense - occasionally doing a bit of rap-like vocal doesn't make something hip hop. The MTV nom doesn't really support alternative rock as a genre as other nominees include Goldfrapp, The Prodigy, and Florence and the Machine, and the only mention of hip hop in the Slant article is a view that she 'references' it, which is incredibly weak to support it as a genre. Why can't we do what the guidance for the infobox suggests and just have the broader category of Pop music, which is undeniably what it is, whatever different influences and elements it has, rather than listing every term that has been mentioned in articles about her? --Michig (talk) 15:35, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

I completely agree that vaguer is better, as my previous comment already illustrated. I do, however, disagree with omitting alternative rock as a genre, when her music clearly falls under indie pop, a subgenre of pop and alternative music. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 15:43, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

I would say that is anything but clear. Stylistically she has little similarity to indie pop. --Michig (talk) 16:03, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Lana's Voice Type

I'm questioning how necessary it is to have a section for her voice type at the moment, especially considering that her voice type itself is constantly up for debate and different opinion. Although our sources do say she is a contralto, I feel like those sources including all the sources I can find regarding her voice type are created out of the interpretation and opinion of the writer. And of course, contradict each other. There's no doubt that Lana has sang and recorded a great range of notes... As far as image and opinions go, she is famous for singing low. But she's also famous for her girlish tone, unlike the typical contralto. I'm unsure if we can really define her voice type (contralto, mezzo-soprano, soprano, etc) just yet. Sources in our article do say that she has said she used to sing high, and purposely tried to lower it to be taken more seriously. That gives me the impression that, in my personal opinion, she perhaps is not a natural contralto (again, my opinion, not something to cite). But I don't know if there's anywhere documented where she herself, or some one close to her, has said what her voice type is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.163.17.106 (talk) 04:24, 18 May 2013 (UTC)