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... or panic madly and freak out?

Have you come here to rant at me? It's water off a duck's back.

Another blatant misuse

The article Bindeshwari Dubey requires massive restructuring to be able to qualify for a standard biographical stub-it has been reduced to loads of unverified facts unsourced for too long..Kindly check the same

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Its genuine

Please I request you not to revert it back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajwikipedianrewari (talk • contribs) 15:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC) Please let me know reason for reverting it back as there are so many private universities are with you on wikipedia. The college deserves to be shown on wikipedia as it is the only college in 5 distrcts and south haryana. which is a major destitute area. I am thankful for your heed and give the page opportunity to the world to edit not alone by you. May be you are at distant place and it has importance in Haryana state of India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajwikipedianrewari (talk • contribs) 16:07, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

It is blindingly obvious that you are the indef blocked, self-promoting sockmaster previously known as Austereraj, Raj Kumar Yadav etc. If you want to be unblocked then log in as Austereraj and post an unblock request as instructed there, then someone will review it. - Sitush (talk) 16:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

INCOTM coordinator and RFA proposal

Could you be the coordinator mentioned here: Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics/Archive_53#Reviving_INCOTM? I'll be there to help you as a second fiddle! --Tito Dutta (contact) 18:05, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I doubt that would go down very well, Tito. There would be a host of people who would object or make my life hell - the usual names spring to mind. - Sitush (talk) 18:15, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Being an INCOTM coordinator involves opening this page for new nominations, informing INCOTM members about it, closing the discussion after 15 days and filing reports. I can continue filing the reports if any one or both of you can share rest of the responsibilities. This really not a big deal, I doubt anyone will object to Sitush being the coordinator. Things won't seem so difficult once we get this started. Correct Knowledge^«৳alk» 18:35, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Hm, then we have another problem. Despite appearances, I tend to drift a bit in my on-Wiki presence during the UK summer months. I have a lot of work to do on my houses and the one in Wales has no internet connection, so I can go days and very occasionally a week or more without logging in. - Sitush (talk) 18:57, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I'll handle the objections (if any). I am fearing a long wikibreak soon (don't know might be in next month or next year)! few days or a week will not be an issue! Upto 30—45 days absence can be handled. --Tito Dutta (contact) 19:08, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

OK. Give me 24 hours to think about it but most likely, yes. And please don't go, Tito. - Sitush (talk) 19:12, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Take as much time as you want! No hurry! --Tito Dutta (contact) 19:14, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

That is why I took reports. I'll be able to update it even if I log in once every month. Correct Knowledge^«৳alk» 19:40, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

• In addition, you must reconsider my RFA proposal too. It does not matter who nominates, you should go ahead. I'll handle the "angry editors of caste related articles". --Tito Dutta (contact) 19:16, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
• I have a 100% success rate as RFA nominator (I nominated Ekabhishek and Bgwhite)! I have a special page too User:Titodutta/RFA. Take my words, you'll become admin if you go ahead without any difficulty! --Tito Dutta (contact) 19:20, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Those SPAs of caste related articles won't make much of a difference. They think you are an admin anyway. :) Correct Knowledge^«৳alk» 19:46, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Tell you what, let's do a deal here. Sitush, you accept tito's offer and Tito, you accept my offer. Everybody's happy! I'll write co-noms for both of you. --regentspark (comment) 19:50, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

If Sitush accepts, that might be a festival. I, regentspark, CorrectKnowledge will definitely be nom/co-noms! Dwaipayanc, MatheyVanitas etc may too! It will be like an event or RFA with maximum number of noms too! --Tito Dutta (contact) 19:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Count me in too! I've never had a failed nomination yet. (OK, I've never done a nomination ;-) But I wouldn't start off with one I didn't have confidence in) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:13, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The SPA s are not the problem, CK, mainly for the reason that you give, but there are a lot of more regular people out there who frequent those articles and have a (negative) thing about me. I'm not sure that even if Tito has Dara Singh-like physique and skills, they can put a lid on that can of worms.

Tito, you have boundless enthusiasm and joie de vivre, which is truly inspiring, but are you aware of how fireworks are often associated with festivals? :) I've often looked at RFPP and thought "there's another backlog", and I could probably do some good there, but I am yet again involved in a pretty nasty situation which, coincidentally, involves some of my long-term bêtes noire (we rub along ok sometimes, but not all that often). Go take a look at Talk:Narendra Modi and the recent ANI thread relating to it; and then consider whether you really want to risk blotting your 100% record! Meanwhile, I will add the idea of humiliating myself to the list of things to ponder over the next 24 hours. As RP says on your talk, these might be interesting times, which is a reference to a Sitush RFA not a Tito Dutta one. You should go for it. Apologies for all the French. - Sitush (talk) 20:20, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Actually Sitush, I think your RfA will be interesting but will likely pass. There is a lot of respect for you in the broader community where you're fairly well known, and your 'battles' are generally confined to caste articles. It is easy to make the case that you've greatly improved those articles (diffs easily available). Many of the editors who've clashed with you on content are reasonable people who might even !vote for you (Sarvajna comes to mind). It's definitely on the cards. The downside is that, once you become an admin, you'll find that it'll hinder your content editing, particularly in caste related articles. That's the tradeoff you'll have to be willing to make and whether the tradeoff is worth it is something only you can decide. --regentspark (comment) 20:34, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

RegentsPark, I think it is sensible to assume that I am involved with regard to pretty much any article and perhaps even any statement relating to caste, so admin actions would not be appropriate in those circumstances. That should not stop me from working on them, merely from doing so in an admin capacity. I have an opinion regarding admin-ship that perhaps does not sit well with our current environment but it does not relate to WP:INVOLVED and, given a few hours, I'll be happy to share it here. Damn, Charles Dickens made a lot of money from cliffhangers such as these! I am no Dickens, although doubtless some would consider the first syllable to be applicable ;) My thoughts were definitely influenced by something that Salvio said quite a while ago but I'm not going to dig around for a diff. Boing!, sacrificing your cherry as a nom is a big step: you may end up being associated with a b*****d. - Sitush (talk) 23:06, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

You would get my vote at RFA Sit. Darkness Shines (talk) 20:38, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

• Nothing to do with a cow herd! I am still concerned about the viability of that article. - Sitush (talk) 23:06, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

• I am very much confident there will not be any risk in this nomination. Now, everything depends on you. --Tito Dutta (contact) 23:17, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

• Still thinking. Here's my take on adminship, though. It seems to me that the bar for admin privileges was once much lower than it is and that people who were primarily content creators were once regularly trusted with the tools whereas now the emphasis is more on efforts in areas such as anti-vandalism and the various deletion processes. There are people around from way back who are admins and who, in my experience, seem only rarely to use the tools. And I see nothing inherently wrong with that, provided that they use them appropriately.

  It is true that admin status is not some sort of medal to be won for its own sake. It carries with it powers that can dramatically affect both people and content. However, the frequency with which an admin chooses to use those tools is entirely a matter for them: there are some who rarely do, some who seem to do little else, and even a few who manage to fit somewhere between those two extremes. The key issue is can they be trusted with the tools, not how often they will use them or where. A standard argument nowadays is that because the toolset is overarching, so the nominee must be able to demonstrate a reasonably wide appreciation and experience of the environments where it is applicable. But for quite a few areas that simply seems like overkill. For example, deletion of user pages per user request, actions at WP:RFPP and responding to requests for changes of fully-protected pages seem generally to be issues that have relatively little drama, are essential tasks and need little or no knowledge at all of, say, AfD processes. They are the type of thing that pretty much any experienced content creator can manage, especially if they are used to working in areas where controversies do arise. RFPP, in particular, is an area where backlogs occur quite often and when admins who prefer dealing with deletions etc find themselves having to divert their attention to this often more mundane area then that is limiting their effectiveness: it diverts their energy from something that they are good at and interested in to something that "just has to be done".

  So, while the emphasis at RFA seems nowadays to be that candidates should have a considerable experience of a wide range of processes, it is not actually the case that they necessarily need this. They do not necessarily need to have spent masses of time reverting vandals or participating at AfD etc in order to have a use for the tools, nor should it be assumed that they cannot be trusted if they do not have a phenomenal amount of experience in such areas. Experienced content creators can bring their own background to bear when it comes to editing protected pages etc but it sometimes it seems that they are treated as somehow untrustworthy, even though appreciated, when they are considered for adminship. Doubtless, this is why there are frequent calls for creation of new user rights and for a devolution of some of the tools ... but when I see those discussions what sticks in my mind is the comments that say "it is everything or nothing". It strikes me that adopting the "everything or nothing" approach when assessing a candidate at RfA might sometimes be cutting off the nose to spite the face. If they are trustworthy then they are trustworthy: trust them to ask other admins etc if they are unsure about something and not to go running around deleting the main page, wheel-warring, rangeblocking an entire city or screwing up {{cn}} without a care in the world. They'll almost certainly know what a serial vandal looks like and if they do in fact betray the trust of the community, well, we have procedures for dealing with that situation also.

  One of the most inspiring actions by an admin that I have seen of late is that of Dennis Brown, who has begun creating content, has done so in some considerable style and seems to have enjoyed it. The experience may not change the way he uses his admin privileges (he seems to be a laid-back type of guy anyway) but it will almost certainly have a subtle effect on his thought processes and it reinforces the feeling that "admins are human, too". Admins with such experiences as Dennis, and in particular those who have them in recent memory, can bring a sense of humanity to a role that often can appear to outsiders as mechanical, repetitive and negative: they understand the frustrations and the pleasures of developing content and I think that only be a positive experience that will feed back into their use of the mop. We are all meant to be in this together. - Sitush (talk) 12:09, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Excellent! You should be made admin for this answer alone!

So, while the emphasis at RFA seems nowadays to be that candidates should have a considerable experience of a wide range of processes

— Yes, they generally have more chances of passing RFAs. You surely have that experience. In a recent RFA a candidate had 100,000+ edits with 88%+ mainspace edits and hardly 500 projectspace dits. People objected for having lack of projectspace edits, but, finally he passed. You have much better standing than him.

I am not concerned of your experiences. You will clearly pass there. The problematic parts might be: a) recent block, b) proven SPI, c) recent major copyvio issue d) continuous rude/uncivil behavior with others, e) multiple weird votes with absurd rationale at AFD etc. As far as I know, you don't have these issues, so, we can be optimistic one.

I think, you can call up this comment I am ignoring you Sitush. You are not an admin, or in any position to dictate what one writes. (source). The admisnhip will be the answer of such cheap questions.

Satyajit Ray once told in one of his Professor Shonku story Swarnaparni— (rough translation from memory) I think one should not hesitate to take what he truly deserves. --Tito Dutta (contact) 12:48, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

So I should not hesitate to take the strychnine or cyanide that so many SPAs think I truly deserve? The cheap comments don't really matter because admins are really no more than contributors when it comes to content disputes - the misunderstanding is almost always on the part of the questioners, as it was in the instance that you link. I'll do the INCOTM thing, although it might be easier if I figure out a way to mass notify the signed-up people (AWB?); I'm still pondering admin because I really do not think that recent stuff at Talk:Narendra Modi is going to help matters. Who was the 88% person? That is some going. - Sitush (talk) 05:00, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

I have just changed my computer mouse, I did not know it takes time to get used to of a new mouse. Misclicking/double-clicking every now and then. Anyway, AWB can not mass-notify people. User:Bgwhite may give a better answer! About 88%, there might be only one person with such track record. You can start INCOTM work whenever you want! Everything according to your wish. Hope to get a positive reply from you on RFA soon! --Tito Dutta (contact) 05:06, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

I'll dig into it and either find a bot or just make 30-odd copy/pastes as and when required. Regarding mice, well, I use different mice/touchpads and touchscreens pretty much daily because I fix PCs. Aside from those cumbersome gamers' and graphics designers' mice, I can't say that I've ever had a problem. If you continue to struggle with the double-clicking then check out the mouse settings in your OS - Windows, Ubuntu etc all have the ability to customise the click rate/interval. As for Ekabhishek, well, d'uh, I should probably have known that, shouldn't I? - Sitush (talk) 05:31, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Is Tito talking behind my back again? EdwardsBot is a good bot for doing mass mailings. There are instructions on its user page on how you can send message yourself... within reason. AWB can do mass mailings, but I don't know how.

So Sitush, Tito is pushing you for admin. He did the same thing to me. I curse him everyday for that evil he brought upon me. I think it is only fair that Tito experiences RfA hell before pushing anyone else. #*$&@{ Tito. Bgwhite (talk) 07:21, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

EdwardsBot is the one used for The Signpost, IIRC. I'll check that out, thanks. Maybe Tito is trying to build the first Wikipedia cabal. It is true that we do not currently have any, isn't it? :) Sitush (talk) 07:37, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Banda Singh Bahadur's various names

I noticed you were confused about his different names so I added the following information:

• Banda Singh Bahadur was born as Lachman Das.
• Later in his life he became a disciple of a Bairagi Sadhu who gave him the name Madho Das.
• Finally after an encounter with Guru Gobind Singh he got the name Banda Singh Bahadur.

Jujhar.pannu (talk) 23:44, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks but the problem is that not all sources agree with this. Or, at least, not all English language ones do and determining which ones are reliable is quite tricky because they are mostly relatively unknown authors and publishers. There is a thread on the article talk page. - Sitush (talk) 04:52, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Arbitrary heading

what is your problem,why did you revert my articles?I have not done any work out of wiki rules.I gave references.OK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81jsc (talk • contribs) 10:16, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I explained on your talk page that we do not categorise people by caste and therefore the category that you recreated and have been adding to articles would be wrong if you had supplied sources. See here for the last deletion discussion regarding this particular category but please note that the same has happened to other caste categories. As it happens, I've so far not seen an example where you supplied a source but I've not finished reverting yet.

Sorry about undoing all your work but Wikipedia works on the basis of cpnsensus and the consensus is that categories of this type should not exist. - Sitush (talk) 10:26, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Sanjay Dutt

Come here please! --Tito Dutta (contact) 11:25, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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Don't revert my comments ever again

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Talk:Narendra Modi, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 16:22, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Just stop it, please. You significantly refactored your comment after I had replied and made my reply look weird. I am quite happy to respond to your comment if you reinstate it correctly but I could not ask you to do that because you have banned me from your talk page. Now, you are getting very, very close to being blocked in my opinion, so I suggest that you re-read WP:TPG and recall that I was not able to request you to amend. - Sitush (talk) 16:29, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

And now you are arguably canvassing. - Sitush (talk) 16:31, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it is arguable. Ha ha...Do you even know what canvassing is? are you kidding me? It is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions. These guys are already involved in the issue even more than me. If you think I am canvassing, then what can I say. Good bye from your talk. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 16:49, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

You are doing a good impression of a headless chicken at the moment, Mrt. Take the advice on your talk page: have a break. - Sitush (talk) 16:54, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

I've just moved another of your comments, Mrt. Again, you inserted after I had replied and it affects my reply. I've not changed a word but have now responded. Hope this is ok - it certainly should be. - Sitush (talk) 09:36, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

• Care to explain why on earth you removed my comments in an AE debate as well? Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 18:10, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

• Already replied on your talk. Our messages have crossed, - Sitush (talk) 18:12, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Hada/Hara

Umm, yah, I went to the Devanagari transliteration article to double check the spelling. I just looked at that article again, and it sure looks like "ड" should be rendered as a "D". If it should be an "R", then the text of the article itself needs to be changed.

I'll leave that up to you. Cheers.WQUlrich (talk) 22:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. There has been a bit of to-ing and fro-ing, as is evident in the article history. The entirely-fallible Google search would suggest that the prior article title was correct per WP:COMMONNAME but I think maybe in this case it should be punted to WT:INB for additional input. Which I will do now. Thanks for replying. - Sitush (talk) 00:31, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I've raised the issue here - Sitush (talk) 01:13, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Need your suggestion

I have made a series of edits to Veerappan article, about a bandit and smuggler who killed 100+ policemen and law enforcing people. Now I am wondering, whether, the article can be improved further, to make it a good article. I request you to suggest areas of improvements in the article, to nominate it for GA. Or, perhaps, does it have/not have potential to become a GA? Rayabhari (talk) 14:48, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Rayabhari! I'll certainly take a look soon and I'll reply on your talk page. If you think it is taking too long then feel free to give me a poke in the ribs. I'm sorry about the deletion of the philanthropist article: it was the right thing to do but you put some decent work into that. We live and learn, and I hope that it has not discouraged you. - Sitush (talk) 23:52, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject India members by list of languages known!

Mention: User:RegentsPark In a recent WT:INB discussion we needed native Tamil speakers and in AFD etc we often need native speakers of specific Indian languages! I am interested to see a doc/subpage under WP:In members with infomations on editors' native languages and the languages they can speak! Just now, redesigning the members page will not be possible, because many of them have left/are inactive, so, no way to learn the languages they knew! --Tito Dutta (contact) 23:41, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

We have categories for at least some of those languages, eg: Category:User_hi-5. Perhaps the way to go is to encourage people to add those cats to their user pages, provided that they are not concerned about disclosing the information. I'm not sure that limiting it to members of the project is necessarily A Good Thing. And in responding to this I have just realise that we have Category:User_Deva-N, which might help to resolve my query here. Serendipity or what?!

Perhaps there is a means of automatically grouping people who are both in the India project category and have categorised themselves with one or more Indic languages, but I'm afraid that is well beyond my pay grade. Stalkers here may know. - Sitush (talk) 23:50, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, there will be problem of maintaining that list as well! A bot could be helpful here! --Tito Dutta (contact) 00:00, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, it is never going to be right because people come and people go. I'm not sure how it works but WP:NOE does something fancy that detects whether someone has contributed in the last 30 days and marks them accordingly. My bet is that is some really fancy coding on Toolserver but, although I used to program for a living myself, I've never bothered getting to grips with the Wiki stuff. I'm not even sure if a bot can do the basics that I mentioned but maybe WP:VPT could answer that, assuming we do not have a category for users who have developed bots or are interested in such (we probably do!). - Sitush (talk) 00:05, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not sure that VPT is the place to go. But there must be a place to go and if no-one else can direct you then someone there probably can. - Sitush (talk) 00:11, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Most probably a bot can do that! Hostbot of Teahouse removes names of those hosts who have not edited for 14 days. I applied for a toolserver account, have not got any reply still! --Tito Dutta (contact) 00:13, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

There has been a big fuss about Toolserver's future but I'm not up to speed with the details. Basically, it is operated by the German WP but the WMF are rolling out a new thing that may or may not be better in the long run. The toolserver sysop was on the verge of resigning in protest some months ago but a deal of sorts was reached, although I seem to recall that it was more of a "holding" situation rather than a five-year plan or whatever. WP:SIGNPOST has covered the story, on and off.

What are you planning on doing with Toolserver? Destroying the wiki in a millisecond? - Sitush (talk) 00:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

BTW, you'll find some info about Toolserver's future via Toolserver#Replacement. - Sitush (talk) 00:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

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OK. - Sitush (talk) 12:41, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Mouse update!

Update I have discovered the left click of my new computer mouse is faulty. It overclicks and continuously fails to drag and select (because of overclicking). One reason might be the low-price and low quality of the mouse (manufactured by a local company). Right now, I am reluctant to change this mouse, nor visit the shop to replace it. Currently I am working by switching primary and secondary buttons (i.e. using right click as left click and placing mouse at the left side of the keyboard). Hopefully, it'll help me to become ambidextrous! --Tito Dutta (contact) 13:56, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

You may have a bit of dirt/grit/dust/plastic moulding residue under the left button. Slip a thin flat-bladed screwdriver or similar between the button and the body and run it from the left-hand side round to the middle. Don't push it in too far, and give the mouse a shake afterwards. I am ambidextrous with mice and with juggling but not much else. Right now, I'm intending to practice counting to 12 on the fingers of one hand but my fingers have been broken so often that I am a bit arthritic. - Sitush (talk) 14:09, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

12 fingers one hand? That sounds interesting. I heard about a joke "11 fingers" but that was an idiotic one. Could you explain how are you getting 12 fingers (don't say the fingers are (a, s, d, f— four and g and h—2) x 2)! --Tito Dutta (contact) 14:15, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Not a case of polydactylism. Apparently, you use your thumb as a pointer and count using the three sections of each of your four fingers (the phalanges etc). So, you can count to 3 on one finger, to 12 using four fingers and to 60 by using your other hand to keep track of how many 12s you have counted. Vigyani mentioned it in passing at WT:INB and then we had a bit of a speculative chat on their talk page in the the thread that I linked above. - Sitush (talk) 14:20, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

That seems to be Wikimedia India official channel. Is not it? We need a WikiProject India noticeboard related channel! --Tito Dutta (contact) 22:17, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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The image looks very good! --Tito Dutta (contact) 13:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

It's been some time since we've talked and discussed on Iyengar. As you can see, we've been discussing issues under some unrelated topics which left me more confused than ever when I got back to the article's talk page, a few minutes ago. Are you able to follow? Or, shall I start a new discussion (for establishing continuity among contiguous data)? Thank you. Hari7478 (talk) 12:49, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh, gosh. I've just been talking on Tito's page about things coming back from the grave ... and now this issue appears again! I'll try to take a look but can tell you now that I was unable to determine the origins of Iyengars beyond in any more usefulform than that which we had previously discussed. - Sitush (talk) 12:56, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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I've opened a new discussion so that it's easier for you to follow the developments and reply to it. Please post your replies under the new discussion as i'm sure you'll be more confused than ever if you ever look back into the previous ones. I've posted links to some new sources too. Thank you. Hari7478 (talk) 14:35, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Came across your edit summary (the one when you removed the tb templates). Just a reminder that a lot were pending after our last discussion in the talk page and i've posted some new data as well. I didn't re-post the comments/data to which you had replied. It's the new/pending ones which i've discussed under the newly started topic. I was left puzzled when i got back to the talk page earlier today, and i couldn't help but start a new discussion. Hari7478 (talk) 18:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

No worries. I was just getting drowned with templates. - Sitush (talk) 18:35, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

WMF IRC

Do you know who own WikiProject India IRC, details here: Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics/Archive_53#IRC_or_Revive_IRC! --Tito Dutta (contact) 16:36, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

No idea, sorry. I very rarely use IRC. Anna Frodesiak (talk · contribs) uses it quite a lot and may be able to find out for you. - Sitush (talk) 16:40, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid I can't help. There's something at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics/Archive 53 that keeps triggering the great firewall and my connection cuts out. So sorry. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:02, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Neither do I. Never used IRC - don't know where to start :) --regentspark (comment) 21:41, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

It seems, we all are following User:Bgwhite (see his user page header I know one thing, that I know nothing) (I was going to write "we are following Socrates, then thought not to make humour on that great philosopher)! --Tito Dutta (contact) 21:47, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Tito, I have just had a consultation with the polymathic Shri Google, who tells me that this is likely to be where you will find your answer. - Sitush (talk) 22:12, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

And I am on it now. Bit empty. I've just increased the active user count by 100%. - Sitush (talk) 22:15, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

That is definitely the Indian Wikimedia channel. There are some channels for en-WP projects but not for the en-WP India project. this gives details of how to set one up. - Sitush (talk) 22:24, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Good finding. That might be needed! But, most probably I'll ask someone to set up the channel! --Tito Dutta (contact) 22:49, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback message from Tito Dutta

Hello, Sitush. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Narendra_Modi_.28edit.7Ctalk.7Chistory.7Cprotect.7Clinks.7Cwatch.7Clogs.29.
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Tito Dutta (contact) 16:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah. Let them do it or not do it, as they see fit. That article is going to be reduced to little more than a puff piece if the present trend continues but, hey, one day people here will realise what is going on. Probably after he has been elected prime minister next year, which itself might in small part be helped by managing to get our article sanitised beforehand. - Sitush (talk) 16:47, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Geographic articles names

Please cease removing native names from geographic articles. There is not a problem there. --Bejnar (talk) 21:04, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, there is no consensus but it is vague enough that I haven't done so to my knowledge. What article are you referring to? - Sitush (talk) 21:07, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Ah, you are probably referring to this edit. As the summary suggests, people were changing the script back and forth without explanation and that is precisely one of the reasons why WP:INDICSCRIPT came into being. If in doubt, leave it out. - Sitush (talk) 21:22, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree, that page needs an infobox, as well as some more work and citations. I have left off the native name until an infobox is ready. Both scripts there should not pose a problem. If editors want to flip the order back and forth, that is de minimus. I did not see any wanton removal there of someone else's script, just the adjustment of the arabic script by Ashixamo who added it originally. No fights. --Bejnar (talk) 21:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that if someone changes a script without explanation then sometimes it can be outright vandalism and no-one will know until someone else who is competent with the script turns up, and that can sometimes be a long wait. Yes, one could make enquiries but that can also sometimes be a slow process. All of this has been discussed previously and led to the consensus that you were made aware of. I seem to recall at the last attempt to sort out the vaguity in relation to geo. articles that you agreed to limit the script to the infobox. I don't think that compromise resolves anything but I really cannot be bothered and will just continue doing what I do if an awkward situation arises. Anyway, as a general rule, I don't have much to do with geographic articles, let alone the scripts in them. - Sitush (talk) 21:52, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

In my editing I find all kinds of vandalism, some dating back four and five years. It is always true regarding vandalism that no-one will know until someone else who is competent in that area comes along. Editors, including myself, do not always read all of an article when they make their edits, nor do they always review the recent history for potential vandalism. As a general rule, when I come to an article with a specific intent (often to check a fact or see if there is a citation I can track down), and find something that strikes me as wrong, misinterpreted, badly cited etc., I don't try to fix everything in the article, but I do try to fix the most egregious problems. But other times, I leave whole sections of an article totally alone, as I realize that starting work on them will take me away from my current task for hours if not days. In the case of the Barmer district article, it was relatively easy to check that बाडमेर was indeed Barmer; however ڙمير did not verify and ٻاڙميڙ (the earlier version by Ashixamo) was closer to "Barmer" in transliteration, and did appear in a number of Scind discussions of the districts of Rajasthan such as this one; not authoritative, but indicative. --Bejnar (talk) 22:32, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

We've had entire hoaxes dating back that long! I thought that the compromise was that we used some sort of official source - lists of tehsils and suchlike were mentioned, although I guess at district level we'd have to use a state-issued list of districts or something emanating from the district headquarters. - Sitush (talk) 22:37, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

The district websites at nic.in usually work, sometimes the National Panchayat Directory will provide the native name, for example here. I agree that they cannot be substantiated without a source. Seldom an issue, but some like "Trichy" for Thiruchirappalli may not be official, although they are very common. --Bejnar (talk) 03:54, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I find that access to a lot of content hosted by nic.in is either hit-and-miss or seems never to load (although it doesn't show a 404 error). I've found this to be the case using various ISPs in the UK and (as far as I know) the UK does not block content from India. Anyway, you clearly do not have such issues and so I may come a-calling on you if ever I hit a snag in one my rare forays in geographic stuff! Hope that would be ok? - Sitush (talk) 10:49, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

That would be fine. I'd welcome it. I will be on hiatus from ~10 August to 15 September of this year. --Bejnar (talk) 19:34, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Gyp

Check the Löwchen article and tell me about it. Hafspajen (talk) 15:56, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

That is much better! Thanks for spending some time on it! I've done a quick copyedit and tagged what I think must be a missing word. I'll take a closer look later. I'll also see if I can find any other sources - it is very reliant on one, although I think that is one more than it had previously?

I'd quibble the "very intelligent" based on personal experience: Gyp is certainly bright but can also be as daft as a brush, and getting him to stand still is hard work even though he'll happily sit still. But personal experience is not WP:RS ... - Sitush (talk) 17:07, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

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Talkback

Hello, Sitush. You have new messages at Talk:Iyengar#Inputs_for_Hari7478.27s_new_sources.
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I apologize for posting this template if you're following them already. You may remove it. The reason why i'm being so desperate is that you may skip parts of my reply after Mayasutra's ultra-long response which has happened in the past. The sources which you thought "were discussed earlier" were not dealt with. It was just Mayasutra who opposed it but none of the sources that i had mentioned in this discussion were dealt with. Either you don't remember or you think it was solved. It wasn't. Please go through my latest response, top to bottom. Thank you. Hari7478 (talk) 21:52, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Both, actually. I thought it was solved and that I had taken part in the discussion. But, hey, I'll review the entire mess again - what's another 12 or so hours out of my life :) I'll give Mayasutra some time to check on the new queried sources first but I'll probably check those myself also (I'm hoping for a link because Stein's books are voluminous). - Sitush (talk) 23:52, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Sure. Thanks again. Hari7478 (talk) 00:08, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Just a tip: some of this stuff at Talk:Iyengar is well into WP:TLDR territory. We really do need to find a way to break it down into smaller chunks. It wouldn't surprise me if there have been international treaties with less words in them than some of the posts on that page! I'll do my best to work my way through the stuff but - and this applies to Mayasutra also - we really need to find some way of simplifying the issue. I'll stick a note on Mayasutra's page referring them to this particular comment. - Sitush (talk) 00:25, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Copyright violation in Jessica Lal

Hi Sitush, you reverted my Jessica Lal edit with comment "copyright violation". Just wanted to understand the copyright violation part of it, so I can avoid it in future. Jay (talk) 15:22, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Sure, Jay. My revert was here. You wrote

Of the total 31 witnesses, only 19 were available for trial as three had died, and the court itself discharged 10 of them earlier on the ground that there was no major deviation between their statements to the police and later to the court. The Delhi High Court will pronounce its verdict on the 19 hostile witnesses on May 22, 2013.

and you used this as your source. That source says

Of the total 31 witnesses, only 19 were available for trial as three had died while the court had itself discharged 10 of them earlier on the ground that there was no major deviation between their statements to the police and later to the court, the prosecution had said.

You have clearly copied words straight from the NDTV source and this is a violation of their copyright: they wrote it and they have said that their words are their legal property. All of their website carries a copyright notice and so they own the content, except perhaps for some photos obtained from other copyrighted sources etc and for the use of which they will have usually paid a fee.

As contributors to Wikipedia, we have to use our own words to reflect the content of sources that we cite. That is best practice even if the source does not assert ownership of what it has published, but it is a "must do" when copyright has been asserted. The exception is that short quotations, if attributed to the source and identified as being a quotation, are ok in some circumstances.

Close paraphrasing is also a legal issue and I think you should read that essay, along with Wikipedia:Copyrights and Wikipedia:Copy-paste. Let me know if there is anything that you do not understand because it is really important that you do understand. - Sitush (talk) 15:41, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll go through those. Jay (talk) 16:27, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for help on Bahti article

Hi, Sitush! Thanks for setting me straight about the 1901 Census of India over at Bahti. I don't know beans about India or its castes, and was just working through the linkrot backlog. Now I'm off in search of a chocolate teapot. Yum! Kjtobo (talk) 16:15, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

No probs. I did wonder whether you were running through maintenance categories. The primary problem with the Raj censuses was a combination of scientific racism and sanskritisation, although that is by no means where the difficulties end. If you find a store selling a chocolate teapot then they'll likely also sell left-handed mugs - I could do with one of those ;) - Sitush (talk) 16:20, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Ooh, me too - I suppose I'm a leftie in all senses of the word. Also, see How useless is a chocolate teapot? Kjtobo (talk) 19:12, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

That is a brilliant link! And I see my alma mater wish to be associated with it. Perhaps one day when my young nieces call round ... - Sitush (talk) 19:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

2013 WikiProject India dispute resolution

That was a request to WP:India to start the initiative and we have started debating right there. Still WP:BD or WP:DRN have not been informed. What do you think of creating a separate page Wikipedia:2013 WikiProject India dispute resolution initiative? --Tito Dutta (contact) 17:05, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I wondered where it was intended to be heading. I'm not sure what the best route would be but, obviously, if the Bangladesh project know nothing about it then we've all wasted our time thus far. I've got my doubts regarding whether (a) DRN would accept it if the thing is pursued outside the DRN forum and (b) whether anyone at DRN would show greater interest in it than their pretty common, "well now things have calmed down, go back to the talk page and start arguing discussing again". They do good stuff generally but on Indian subjects they seem to be a bit hit-and-miss.

How about first trying to find out how other projects deal with the general issue of assigning nationality when borders change? Then go to the Bangladesh project and ask them whether they could nominate someone to co-ordinate a RfC alongside you? That assumes, of course, that there are differences in how other projects handle the issue: if they all do it in the same basic way then the two India-based projects (+ Pakistan) need to come into line with that. - Sitush (talk) 17:31, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Just now, I asked Moonriddengirl to head/lead he initiative as a neutral (non Bangladeshi, non Indian) experienced editor. Our noticeboard will be a battlefield if we put everything over here! I was looking at the recent debates of WT:INB. The very basic points are being missed, like, even before the independence of India, the country was "India". It was after 1757 it became British India. But, from history, ancients Greeks derived the word "India" from Indus River, most probably it is mentioned in Megasthenes etc's writings too. --Tito Dutta (contact) 17:48, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

All we need is consensus! If anyone from our or their WikiProjects disagree to the consensus later, they can initiate another RFC. --Tito Dutta (contact) 17:50, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Alas. it seems to be quite common not to engage brain before typing there :(

If you mean 1857 for British India then I've raised that point in the discussion already, although even then there were areas outside control. If you did indeed mean 1757 then you must be thinking of the East India Company, in which case we are also going to have to have Portuguese, Dutch and Arab India. I doubt that MRG has the time to sort something like this out, between her day job and dealing with copyright issues. But you'll soon find out. - Sitush (talk) 17:54, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

We need a neutral editor for sure to avoid systematic bias, you can suggest/ask anyone if MRG does not work here! Category:Poets of Arab India etc sounds weird! --Tito Dutta (contact) 17:59, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I doubt that any name I suggest would be considered neutral, precisely because I suggested it. Just look at the crap at Talk:Narendra Modi, which seems now to be a battleground defined by the people rather than the points they raise: "if you're not with us, you're against us". I'm also not sure that obtaining local consensus (ie: between the two or perhaps three projects) will stick, just as we keep revisiting the Indic script issue even though a localised RfC was held. Let's see if any stalkers here or at MRG's page have some ideas. - Sitush (talk) 18:06, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Umm, let's see. But, we definitely need one/few third country's editor/s. And, ya, about that Indic script consensus, we can revisit that during this 2013BDIDR discussion. As far I know, we already have consensus, only WP India articles will not have Indic scripts, if an article is a part of WP Bangladesh too, they can add Bengali script, we'll not remove. I don't think anyone will have problem with this! --Tito Dutta (contact) 18:13, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

@Sitush what do you mean Arab India in the 17:54 message. Does that mean Balochistan? Solomon7968 (talk) 18:18, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Arabs are thought to have settled in southern India way back when, trading round the Coromandal Coast area etc. Later, the Portuguese turned up. Then the Dutch kicked out the Portuguese. Then the Brits kicked out the Dutch. Then the Indians kicked out the Brits. - Sitush (talk) 18:59, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

By that sense all people living in the Mughal era will be Central Asia - Indian. I am afraid that I have never heard the term Arab India. Solomon7968 (talk) 19:03, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I wrote that with my tongue firmly lodged in my cheek. My point was that if Tito was referring to the EIC involvement as being the start of British India then the trader-colonists who preceded the (English) EIC must also be considered: the EIC really did not have much of a grip over large swathes of the subcontinent. Actually, it is a wonder that the British Raj did, given that the number of Raj administrators & officers was around 1,000 and the population then was about 700 million. - Sitush (talk) 19:10, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Are Burmese people regarded as British Indians if they are born before 1935? Till 1935 Burma was not separatedSolomon7968 (talk) 19:15, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Let's not go down that road. Luckily, Burma has been a clearly defined entity so let's just leave it that way. (And, it's 1937 not 1935. Plus what about the different times that Upper Burma, Lower Burma, and the Western territories became a part of the British empire? Better not to complicate things beyond control!)--regentspark (comment) 19:32, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Are they even called Burmese now, given "Myanmar"? This is precisely why I suggested in the discussion that all we can do (and what we should do, regardless) is follow the sources. There are big chunks of our categorisation system that simply do not really work and likely never will do where nationality-based criteria need to be determined, - Sitush (talk) 19:25, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Iyengar & WP:TLDR

Just came across Mayasutra's response to the TLDR notice that you left at his talk page. I must say it's getting uglier beyond the farthest stretches of our imagination. I request your intervention here. Well, reviewing the data and the sources mentioned (new & pending) is another thing for which i've already left a talkback notice earlier. But there's something else that i want you to know. We all know that i'm the one who's raising "certain issues" in the talk page. But i'm not the one because of whom we're stuck here. We all know who's stalling the proceedings. If Mayasutra really wanted to end the stalemate he should've refrained from posting his usual(lengthy) responses, until you reviewed the data and sources. He could've waited for your response and then posted his views after yours. I'm beginning to get this feeling that he really doesn't want you to look into them, fearing you might find them genuine. Take a look into Mayasutra's response under the "common origins section" discussion, regarding the 6 sources that speak of "thenkalais compiled the prabandhams while vadakalais are sanskritic as opposed to Nathamuni compiling the prabandhams". I've explained it under point5 of my last response(udner the new/last discussion). Or you could go back into that discussion itself and see it for yourself(there's your proof). He didn't oppose them with any reasonable counter claims but was rather bashing me & questioning the credibility of the sources while he also claimed he couldn't view them while we all could. Take a look at his final comment under the newly started(last) discussion. That was totally unnecessary but he always wants to the the one to "have the last laugh/provide the end note/finish the discussion". Yet again a lengthy response lacking evidence. My response to his comments are lengthy(obviously because i'm replying to his posts) but my first comments are never so. Now after stalling everything and buying more time to do research into sources/questioning their credibility, he says "we're stuck; there are repeats", etc while i'm wondering what's with the "wise guy act".

It couldn't get uglier than this and i would appreciate it if you could point me to the right forum so that i could report his behavior. I'm not pressurizing you to act soon in the talk page. Take your time, but in the mean time i'm wondering what to do about this guy stalling everything with his usual "north doesn't necessarily mean north india but north of tamil nadu" comment, and his "badagunadu response" which was not exactly related to the discussion and finally "questioning the credibility of the sources and buying more time for his supposed research". Hari7478 (talk) 10:16, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Hari, I'm trying not to take sides here and, yes, there may be things that I miss within discussions and that I need a prod (not a WP:PROD!) to understand. But it does become wearisome when I'm faced with huge chunks of text that are basically whinging about someone else. We all do it, of course, but more often than not short is sweet. I'm involved in all sorts of awkward stuff at the moment but please believe me, I'll take a closer look just as soon as I can. This one is not a quick-fix situation but, hey, there is no deadline. - Sitush (talk) 00:31, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

List of Bhandaris

I see the removal of the List of Padma Shri awardees was unnecessary as I had added proper references this time. Kindly do reply.

Vivo78 (talk) 18:42, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I have already given you links that explain what is required but the gist is that you need sources that demonstrate the people self-identify as being members of the Bhandari caste. It is not enough just to source that they have been awarded the Padma Shri. In fact, whether or not they were awarded it is really something that is probably best sourced on the individual articles for the various people. OK? - Sitush (talk) 18:50, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Let me give an example. You removed the name of Snehal Bhatkar from the page when he is the father of Ramesh Bhatkar who is listed in the page. Please give a rationale for judging which website source one can follow or not bfore I spend more time hunting references from sites like Times of India & all.Vivo78 (talk) 19:56, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

If they are living then they have to self-identify. I'm not sure how I can make this more clear: you need a source that records them saying something like "I am from the Bhandari caste". It doesn't matter a jot what caste their father may have been from. Have you read the links thatI left on your talk page? - Sitush (talk) 20:01, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Dear Sitush....Please place this page for deletion in such a case. You should had deleted many other entries in this page too. Heads or Tails, you always seem WINNING seeing your complete talk page with other user comments.Vivo78 (talk) 20:07, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Contributing to Wikipedia is not about winning or losing but rather about producing as good an online encyclopedia as we can manage. We have policies and guidelines to assist us in achieving that goal. No-one expects a new contributor to know all of these policies etc but unfortunately you seem consistently not to understand them. I am more than happy to help you with this but it does require some reading on your part: there is no point in me simply copy/pasting the policies etc every time there is a problem. That is why I asked whether you had already read the stuff I'd left on your talk page.

Read the things when you become aware of them and ask questions if there is anything that you do not understand. Believe me, there is still stuff I don't understand, especially when it comes to issues involving images, but if I am in doubt then I ask someone who may know the answer. - Sitush (talk) 20:18, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

List of Bunts

If reference no. 12 for Sadhu Shetty works fine. then why the same reference link doesnt help for Fighter Shetty, whose entry you just deleted. BTW even Sadhu Shetty didnt "self-identify".Vivo78 (talk) 20:04, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Just because something else is wrong does not justify you failing to adhere to WP:BLP. The burden is on you to ensure that your contributions are acceptable. Feel free to remove Sadhu Shetty from that article if there is no suitable source. - Sitush (talk) 20:06, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Jat People

Please participate in the talk going on regarding your reverts on my edits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jat_people#Journals_vs_Dictionaries

-Viplovecomm (talk) 11:22, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Your post and mine there have overlapped. Feel free to merge the two sections. - Sitush (talk) 11:26, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

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• You don't half get yourself into the wars Sitush. Why don't you try something less stressfull for a bit of light relief, such as the Sunbeam Tiger? It's done wonders for me. Eric Corbett 15:14, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

• Your choice of phrasing is good because the issue relates to whether a caste is of the warrior varna! The request for mediation is premature and will fail. I have good intentions wrt developing some less controversial articles but they ain't materialising. It has been suggested before that I just drastically prune my 1700-page watchlist. However, I've spent a lot of time fixing this type of crap and I don't want to see it return to the previous poor state and see hours and hours of research wiped out. If they have a good point then that is fine but almost always they do not. - Sitush (talk) 15:39, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

  I admire your spirit, but I've abandoned lots of articles when they become too much like hard work. I don't need to come to Wikipedia to get abused, and neither do you. Eric Corbett 16:43, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

• I get exasperated sometimes but I'm becoming pretty unconcerned about abuse generally. What does concern me on odd occasions is the possibility of a visit by the goons from the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh or similar. I know that I've dealt with people who have sympathy or involvement with such mobs (a word I use advisedly) and I know that I have pissed them off. I also know that my address has been traced. All this "open-ness" about usernames etc is fine and good until you get nutters turning up on your doorstep. Mind, since they know where I am there is probably little point in maintaining a facade. - Sitush (talk) 21:11, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Stop your wiki bullying

Just stop it. You can't enforce your style of editing on other editors. Your way is not always the right way. Other editors have also complained of your cyber bullying behavior. So take a step back and try to take a neutral way of editing. TimesGerman (talk) 23:43, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Sitush is far more often right than wrong. Your hostility is not going to get the wished-for response. You might want to rethink your strategy. Binksternet (talk) 23:47, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Binskternet. TG, you are to all intents and purposes operating as a single-purpose account, being articles related to the Chamar people. In one sense, it is good that you have such dedication but I think that you could benefit this project in many more ways. And the SPA aspect means that you perhaps do not appreciate what is best or even common sense practice here. Spreading your wings a bit might be A Good Thing both for you and indeed Wikipedia in general. Anyway, I've replied at Talk:Jatav and we can take it from there ... but I'm am not going through yet another long, tedious discussion such as we have had in the past. You can expect the cavalry to be called in pretty quickly unless you have good reasons for your complaint.

Oh, and you might want to check out WP:NPA. - Sitush (talk) 00:07, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

You are fanatic Hindu you evan don't have a knoowledge of hindu mythology.....Sukhdev Singh Minhas 08:58, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Sitush , I don't know who you are? but I trhink you are using this fake name, infact you are fanatic hindu and active for anti sikh minded organization like VHP & RSS. this is also not good for Wikipedia also. you know the Bhardwaj mean, origin, you know the theory of all kshatriya origin ? If you know plz share..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sukhdev Singh Minhas (talk • contribs) 08:58, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Love it. On Talk:Narendra Modi I am accused of bias against the RSS/BJP etc and here I'm accused of favouring the same. - Sitush (talk) 09:05, 28 May 2013 (UTC)