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September 21

false accusation

Do not hack your way into my space and falsely accuse of me of making an edit that I did not. I am not impressed.

Antonio d. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.45.198.46 (talk) 01:21, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Someone using the IP address you are on vandalized an article years ago. The address was warned, and you happen to have that address now. There was no hacking of any type involved. There were no false accusations. If your comment is about something other than the warnings on your talk page, please be more specific. --Onorem (talk) 01:31, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Why don't you create an account? If you create an account, then your editing history will uniquely apply to you, a human being, rather than to an IP address having a succession of human beings using it, and will continue to apply to you even if your carrier changes your IP address. (Cable carriers in the US, such as Allstream, normally do assign static IP addresses, but that is not guaranteed, while a registered account continues across IP addresses.) Robert McClenon (talk) 16:52, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Having an account is great even if you do have a static IP address as it allows all of your edits to belong to you even if you edit away from home. For example, you can tie all of your edits from the library, school (university), mobile device, cyber-café, etc to you. It's great for increasing your ability to edit wiki-wide as well. Once you have an account, make 10 edits and have had the account for four days, you become autoconfirmed which allows you to upload pictures and create pages other than talk pages. It also allows you to use some of the other tools such as Twinkle. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 17:11, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Requirements for See Also links

My intuition was that a See Also section could contain links to any other Wikipedia article if confirmed through sources as being relevant to the page; however, due to some edits being reversed, it seems that there may be some additional notability requirements for a See Also link to actually connect the two? If both articles each separately satisfy the notability requirements of Wikipedia, what additional requirements are there for linking the two pages under See Also sections? I have found it difficult to locate official guidelines on this. --Syhon (talk) 08:21, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

You're right that it's not one of our more codified guidelines but there is some information at WP:SEEALSO. Do you have a particular edit or article that made you wonder about this? That might help us better answer your question. Dismas|^(talk) 08:38, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the link. The article in question is Big Australia; I believe it follows the WP:SEEALSO guidelines but perhaps it might be more appropriate to seek conflict resolution? --Syhon (talk) 09:42, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

THOMAS REED MARTIN, Architect at Sarasota, Florida.

Thomas Reed Martin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The photograph of THOMAS REED MARTIN in your feature article concerning his biography and achievements is incorrect. The man shown in the photograph is unknown and not that of THOMAS REED MARTIN, my grandfather. I have a large collection of photographs and architectural references which I am eager to add to your reference article. The photo you show was obtained from an historian in Sarasota who is notably incorrect in most of his historical references concerning Sarasota. Also, the photographs shown are of minor buildings, and do not indicate his major works, which include the initial design for the Ringling Mansion, Ca d'Zan, the Municipal Auditorium in Sarasota, his many prominent mansions on Florida's West Coast, and the mini-mansion he designed for his own home in Sarasota, recently restored and renovated. The curator of the Ringling Mansion at Sarasota has recently acquired a considerable reference library of Martin's works, and is organizing a tour tomorrow, of his work in Sarasota. I will be contacting him as well. He was a signatory influence on Floida architecture, and came to Florida at the invitation of Bertha Palmer (Mrs. Potter Palmer) of Chicago, to design and build her planned estate at Osprey, overlooking Little Sarasota Bay, near Siesta Key. He arrived in Sarasota in 1912, and became a significant developer and civic leader for the development of Sarasota, Venice, Fort Myers and many other communities, building them from frontier town, mud street cattle towns into the modern and attractive cities they are today.

But do omit the photo of the golfer. He has nothing to do with Thomas Reed Martin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.65.129.131 (talk) 13:26, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

The information for the image File:ThomasReedMartin 83d40m 2ndfromRight shc.jpg says that it came from the Sarasota County History Center. The Wikipedia editor who uploaded that image, User:83d40m, has been a long-time editor here; it's not clear why you think this editor (or the History Center) is incorrect regarding identification. The best place to discuss the matter is probably at Talk:Thomas Reed Martin.

Wikipedia appreciates the contribution of images. These should (generally) be added to the Wikimedia Commons, the place where images are kept for possible use by all Wikipedia projects (there are more than 200 language versions of Wikipedia, not just the English language Wikipedia). The process for doing so can be found here: Commons:Commons:Upload Wizard. Before you start that process, it's highly recommended that you read Wikipedia:Image use policy, so that you understand, among other things, the licensing choices you have when you upload images to Commons.

Once an image has been uploaded to Commons, it can then be added to a particular Wikipedia article. The process for doing so is described here. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:24, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

The image in question is a public record document from the county historical archives, the Sarasota County History Center. I have another image that they identify as Thomas Reed Martin sitting at his drafting table. When I compare the likeness of the man in the two images, I see significant resemblance, not exact of course, given the years when taken. I am wondering whether the grandson is looking at the correct person identified in the caption? An inquiry to the archives will be made to seek assurance of the authenticity of the photograph and I will transcribe this discussion to Talk:Thomas Reed Martin. The frequent inaccuracies by the author mentioned by the grandson is recognized by this editor and statements from that source are double-checked if they are being quoted by this editor, but that has nothing to do with the photograph and its source. If confirmation of the subject is not able to be obtained, the other image mentioned could be substituted. The quality is not so good as the group of golfers, however. As you can see, although images uploaded by me were used, I did not contribute to the article, but I will enter another source among the references who is much more careful. I'll put the article on a to do list to check for inaccuracies and contribution of better quality photographs is encouraged. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:39, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

presidential tenure

you have Bill Clinton as serving 2922 days. Wouldn't it actually be 2923? He was president for two full terms 365 X 4, plus two leap year day. 2933.....PLUS, at the turn of the century there is an additional leap year. Which makes it 2923 days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.26.236.29 (talk) 13:49, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Where did you get the 'additional' leap year at the turn of the century idea from? 2000 was a leap year. It was not an additional leap year. --Onorem (talk) 14:46, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

He only served in two leap years: 1996 and 2000. Maybe you are confused by the leap year rules about years divisible by both 4, 100 and 400. 2000 was not an "additional" leap year. It's divisible by 4 and was one of two normal leap years for a two-term president. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:48, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Erroneous ideas about leap years, especially about years divisible by 400, are common. However, the rule is that a year divisible by 4 is a leap year, unless it is divisible by 100. A year divisible by 100 is not a leap year unless it is divisible by 400, in which case it is a leap year. The year 2000 was a leap year like 1996 and 2004. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:58, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Can I create a new wiki with authenticate content for the one present in deletion logs?

Hello,

We created a page on wikipedia for an "Award Winning Spiritual Book of India", but accidentally took some of the content from our Olx profile. Thence the Wiki page was deleted by a user. Now we have new content for every section of Wiki. Shall we have a new page altogether.? Will it be accepted? I tried contacting the user who deleted the page, but he seems to be retired (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fastily). I will be gratefull if I can have a direction to move ahead. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.182.87.218 (talk) 14:06, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, in most cases you can just recreate the article. Occasionally, if an inappropriate article has been re-created many times, the particular page title may have been blocked, and you will know if you have been doing that. However, please don't call your article "Award Winning Spiritual Book of India"; use the actual title of the book. One more important thing: Wikipedia only has articles about books that have been written about and reviewed in news reports or magazine articles not written by people connected with the book. You will need to find these news reports, reviews, etc., and include them with your article, or it will be deleted as "non-notable". I hope this information will help you decide whether to create the article. If you are worried that it may be deleted, you could write the article in your sandbox or a user page, and then submit it for review by other editors, by adding {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page. Good luck! —Anne Delong (talk) 14:35, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

HELP please!

Appeal repeated three times: consolidated by ColinFine (talk) 16:10, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

I have tried unsuccessfully 3 times to publish my page. I have references; I also removed vital information thinking it would help, but the piece is still being rejected. Its very frustrating, and should not be this difficult to establish a Wikipedia page. I have looked at similar pages and mine is no different! Help please. We really want to get this resolved.

1. REDIRECT [[JerryCrutchfield

]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hette (talk • contribs) 15:59, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Hette. I guess you are talking about the article Jerry Crutchfield, which was created by a user called Hette123, and has been proposed for deletion because it has no references. You say that you have references, and there are some bare URL's at the end of the article, but you need to read WP:Referencing for beginners, and arrange that individual pieces of information in the article are referenced to particular places in independent reliable sources. I think that he probably does meet the criteria for notability, but the article must demonstrate this by properly referencing reliable sources.

One more point: you say "We really want to get this resolved". Who is "we"? This makes me wonder if you are connected with Crutchfield, and are here for the purpose of promotion. If you are, it is important that you read about WP:Conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 16:17, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

My User Page?

Hello, I wanted to create my User Page so I clicked my username on the top. I created (my User Page but I found out that others could edit my page. How can I set my User Page so that others cannot edit my User Page?

Thanks! :) MyGlassOfMilk — Preceding unsigned comment added by MyGlassOfMilk (talk • contribs) 16:49, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

There is no way to set a userpage so only you can edit it. It can be protected so that only confirmed users or only administrators can edit it. Everyone's userpages (with some exceptions for protected pages) are open for anyone to edit. GB fan 16:53, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Have a read of Wikipedia:User pages, normally other users would not edit the page without asking so should not be a problem. MilborneOne (talk) 17:00, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

As that guideline says, normally another user should leave a user's user page alone unless it violates the guidelines. The primary reason for the ability to edit another user's user page is to be able to deal with violations of Wikipedia policy, such as copyright violations, personal attacks, or other improprieties. In normal situations, it is my understanding that editing another user's user page would be considered disruptive editing, but removing grossly improper material would be necessary to protect Wikipedia policy. If your user page is vandalized, you can request that it be semi-protected. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:18, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Problem with Template Box on editing page

I have a small situation maybe you can help with. For the last week or so, when I go to edit a page, the template box does not engage. There is a drop-down menu but, when clicked, the 4 choices (web, news, book, journal) are displayed but none can be initiated. Did I shut something off? Thanks. ```Buster Seven Talk 18:26, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Issues like this have been happening to me since the launch of VE. Named references menu not appearing, templates drop down menu not displaying, popup windows from selections in the templates drop down menu not appearing, autofill by DOI, ISBN or PMID not responding within the cite journal/cite book pop up windows. No idea how to fix it, you just have to save mid edit and then reload the editing window. Usually the bug is gone, but this doesn't stop it happening again in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.140.25 (talk) 19:17, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

This doesn't have anything to do with VisualEditor. The drop-down menu is part of Wikipedia:RefToolbar and is (unfortunately) only available in [Edit source]. Are you using Chrome by any chance? There's a note on the tool's talk page that it's not been working in Chrome for a few weeks. There are several things that are busted in Chrome at the moment, including lots of blank space at the end of a page if the refs are formatted to display in multiple columns.

By the way, designs for an improved ref dialog in VisualEditor are being formulated, and anyone who is interested welcome to provide suggestions and feedback directly to the project team at mw:VisualEditor Reference Dialog (your Wikipedia username/password should work there). The more positive, actionable suggestions people make on that page now, the more likely we are to get what we want in the the next version. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:24, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Not sure where to ask this

Hello,

I tried to render a Wikipedia page into a downloadable pdf using the available link in the left hand menu. Unfortunately, any reference to a PubMed source has not been rendered at all. In the article, there are almost 100 references, but in the rendered pdf there are only 3. Those used normal <ref>source</ref> or cite book syntax rather than cite journal.

Does anyone know how to get this function to render all the references in an article into a pdf?

Thanks in advance, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.140.25 (talk) 19:12, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Which article? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:32, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Here is the article LEOPARD syndrome on wikipedia with 20 references, and here is it rendered in a pdf with 12 references: [1]

Again references which use the cite journal format do not appear to be rendered at all, or rendered as a raw url instead of appearing as they do in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.128.135 (talk) 21:28, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

I get exactly the same thing, but here's some additional information: The pdf is taking the five links in the infobox to be citations, so the first citation in the body of the pdf article is numbered [6]. So of the 20 (actual) footnotes in the online article, no more than 7 are in the footnotes in the pdf version. And, in the pdf, as noted, the footnotes are more-or-less in naked url form, compared to good citations in the article. @Dodger67: Any ideas what is mucking up the pdf download process? -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:46, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Medical advice

Has anyone in the history of Wikipedia ever been sued over medical advice or do some people just love rules? If this is not the correct place to ask, please direct me to the correct place. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.150.26.145 (talk) 23:53, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

I would doubt it. Per WP:General disclaimer, it's pretty difficult to sue Wikipedia for anything. I'm not sure if it's even possible, but I've not looked in to it. Specially you may be interested in the medical disclaimer, see WP:MEDICAL. If you mean has someone been sued for giving medical advice to others via wikipedia, almost all editors are anonymous, so this would be a pretty significant hurdle for any lawyer I would imagine. Even if an editor has chosen to reveal their real world identity, any contribution they make to wikipedia is covered by the disclaimers, so just by using the site people are forfeiting any right to claim alleged damages incurred by what they read. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.128.227 (talk) 00:18, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

I just read Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Guidelines/Medical_advice. The prohibition on giving medical advice is less about not getting sued and more about not harming someone. RudolfRed (talk) 00:43, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, if Wikipedia got in the habit of giving medical advice, it would end up giving out a decent share of bad medical advice. In addition to the direct harm to the recipients that would result, it would also be a PR nightmare. Monty₈₄₅ 00:52, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Exactly. AFAIK, the policy wasn't developed in response to an actual problem, but if it were allowed, it is a virtual guarantee that someone, sometime, would give bad advice, and could lead to bad consequences. That's the type of thing a reporter could have a field day with, even if one incident out of thousands. (OTOH, I can't really dispute that some people just love rules, and this place must be a rule maker's heaven :)--SPhilbrick(Talk) 01:09, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Sure it is possible for anyone to sue Wikipedia for anything - all you have to do is file the paperwork and pay the relevant fee. Whether such a lawsuit would be successful, however, is an entirely different question.--ukexpat (talk) 15:22, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

September 22

New Article Request

Hi There,

This is Jatinder Singh From Shimla (H.P) India. I am here to ask for a help on writing a article on a Doctor that is living in Shimla. The main Concern of getting an article is that he has been awarded with more than 75 awards out of which 60+ are international. He has also been awarded with the (Honorable) and can use this with his name. His name is Honorable Dr. Jaidev Singh Retola (His Excellency). I want to get all his details updated on wikipedia so that his contribution towards Medical should be known to world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itshoneeey (talk • contribs) 07:22, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry but "should be known to [the] world" is explicitly not the purpose of Wikipedia, no matter how worthy the subject. Wikipedia, as an encyclopaedia, is for the purpose of summarising and collecting information which has already been written about by reliable sources. Now, if Dr Retola has received all these awards, then he probably does meet the criteria of notability for living persons, but any article must cite the reliable sources which have written about him. If you want to write an article about him, I suggest you start with WP:Your first article, and then make use of the WP:Article wizard. --ColinFine (talk) 09:49, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jatinder, welcome to Wikipedia! I agree with ColinFine but neither of us want to discourage you from creating this article of Dr. Jaidev Singh, provided he is notable, which it appears he is, and provided reliable sources have published information about him, which you must be willing to locate and reference. Are you ready to do that? I did a quick Google search and found at least one reliable source at the International Network for Economics and Conflict here. There could be many more, and it is up to you to find them! Follow the suggestions at the links we have provided, and feel free to go to our talk page to ask any questions. —Prhartcom (talk) 15:14, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Jucu, Romania

Jucu is most famous for corruption, theft and deceit <allegations redacted>.

See <url removed> and more recently which is still under construction <url removed>

Charles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.126.138.2 (talk) 12:03, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but Wikipedia is not the place to expose alleged corruption or criminality. If there are reliable published sources (such as major newspapers) which talk about corruption in Jucu, then a Wikipedia article may report on what these sources say (assuming the consensus of editors agrees that the matter is notable). But the two sites you have named appear to be self-published, and are therefore not acceptable as sources for information in Wikipedia. I have removed the specific allegations you added above, as such claims may not appear anywhere in Wikipedia unless cited to a reliable source. --ColinFine (talk) 13:20, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Given that Google indexes this page, I've also removed the (attack) URLs. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:35, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

finding out about attribution and higher resolution file

I wish to use an image which the contributor states is licensed under Creative Commons with the provision, "You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work)", but I cannot find anywhere the author's the desired attribution. I am trying to find out how the author wants the attribution to read. Also, the resolution of the image on Wikipedia is 180 dpi and I need at least 300 dpi. I wish to ask the author if it's possible to get a file with at least 300 dpi resolution. I cannot find any means to contact the author. I've gone to his wiki page and clicked on the "talk" tab but I don't see how to enter a question there.P.ueda (talk) 15:16, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

You can ask a question on that user's talk page in exactly the same way as you have here. Click on the new section tab at the top, and add a subject and the text of the question in the appropriate boxes.

Why don't you also tell us what picture you're talking about, so we can see if we can offer you any other assistance? Rojomoke (talk) 16:25, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

http://creativecommons.org.au/content/attributingccmaterials.pdf is an essay that CC recommends. I think the main problem is very few use the 1=attribution statement switch on the CC license templates.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:12, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

stuck with table -

I want to add a 2013 column here but keep breaking the table - anyone able to help? --Cameron Scott (talk) 17:26, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't know what you were trying to do, and what sort of problems you were seeing, but how does this look? - David Biddulph (talk) 17:45, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Spot on - I was trying to add the times ranking that came out today. --Cameron Scott (talk) 18:02, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Username created automatically

Dear editors: I was checking out the User creation log when I saw a username that appeared to be a company name. I was going to report it, but there was a note after the name saying that it was created automatically. Can someone tell me what this means? —Anne Delong (talk) 17:39, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Something to do with unified login. If the account was created on another project, unified login would then create an account here. See, for example: Special:CentralAuth/Anne Delong. If you click in the "method" column, you'll see some of your accounts were automatically created. If the username violates the username policy, you should report it. RudolfRed (talk) 18:16, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! —Anne Delong (talk) 01:33, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Is it a wp:or - improving a low resolution cropped image

A first question: I want to extract an emblem which is painted on the car side (the same emblem in few photos). If the image is cropped to the emblem size, the resolution becomes too poor. is it allowed to improve the image quality? (in terms of wp:or or any other criteria).

possible source images:

1. 
2. 
3. a better image but not a wikipedia image

An example of a target image:

Note that the emblem details are described in few wp:rs. e.g. book: "1948: The First Arab-Israeli War" by Benny Morris, chapter "Operations Yoav and Hiram", page 340, "Qawuqji’s troops fled in the direction of the Jermak...We captured two...armored vehicles taken from us in the Yehiam Convoy and now decorated with the symbol of the ALA, a bent dagger dripping blood, stuck in the heart of a Shield of David"

A second question: Some editors (in response to my question) said that the emblem was added latter to those 3 source images. Is there a relevant Wikipedia forum in which one may ask whether those 3 source images are supposedly fake (in terms of the emblem), or not fake? Ykantor (talk) 17:43, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

@Ykantor: - Please do not ask in a new place when you don't like the responses you get elsewhere, particularly since you asked first at the Graphics Lab, which is where the experts on this question are to be found. Since the consensus is that you should not create a new image, I suggest that you drop the matter and move on to something else. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 04:11, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

@Ykantor: - You cannot have missed their conclusion : Note: It has been suggested by Graphics Lab editors that the dagger and star emblem in this photo may have been added at some point after the photo was taken. This might be a doctored image. Pluto2012 (talk) 05:54, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

@John Broughton:How could I know that a technical problem is subjected to a consensus too? (actually, it is rather strange).Especially so since the consensus here are 2 editors only, and one of them is not sure. moreover, the wp:rs literal description is fairly close to those images, which means that a similar emblem have existed. . Note that I provided the link to the Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab. Thank you for your prompt reply. Ykantor (talk) 17:30, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

@Ykantor: Thinking about this, the most relevant issue isn't NOR or copyright, it's WP:UNDUE. Wikipedia, as an encyclopedia, is intended to be an overview. That you've found a single reliable source (I'm taking your word for that) who mentions this image does not mean that the image is worth adding to a Wikipedia article. If that were the criteria, Wikipedia articles would be the length of small books, as everyone added every single detail that they found in new sources.

If this emblem were important - if there were lots of mentions of it in contemporary accounts, or if it had been discussed repeatedly in subsequent historical analyses, then there would be a good argument for including it in a Wikipedia article. But you've not said that - rather, you've found it described in one source, and seen it on a couple of images - and not by itself, something that one would expect if the emblem itself really were important. So again, may I suggest that you drop this idea and move on to something else. There are plenty of Wikipedia articles that are missing basic, essential information. For example, the page Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel/Assessment shows that there are 287 articles rated "high" importance that are start class. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 19:29, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• @John Broughton: there several sources, as it can be seen in a partial list at the end. Initially I added it to the image to the article for the same reason have added recently other images- to make it more interactive. The detail is not so important because at those years, the Arab call to kill the Jews in Palestine ( talking, declaration, pogroms and so on) was the norm rather than an unusual phenomena.
• A Google book search provide some sources for this emblem (literally. without an image):

1. book: "1948: The First Arab-Israeli War" by Benny Morris, chapter "Operations Yoav and Hiram", page 340, "Qawuqji’s troops fled in the direction of the Jermak...We captured two...armored vehicles taken from us in the Yehiam Convoy and now decorated with the symbol of the ALA, a bent dagger dripping blood, stuck in the heart of a Shield of David"
2. Martin Gilbert - 1998, "Israel: A History" , Page 236
3. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict in history and civics ... - Page 76; Ruth Firer, ‎Sāmī ʻAbd al-Razzāq ʻAdwān, ‎Falk Pingel - 2004
4. "the Army of Liberation emblem — a dagger thrust into a David's Shield. "
5. More Hebrew books

• inauthor:"Kenneth W. Bilby" posters of a dagger as a poster in Cairo. no relation to Kaukji's army. Ykantor (talk) 20:48, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

September 23

New to Wiki

Hello.

As you can see, this is my first time using Wikipedia as editor. I haven't used HTML or any similar programs for a long time and I heard that Wikipedia is somewhat different to them.

I've heard that Wiki editors uses conventions such as formatting, spelling, and grammar, as well as more general principles that go by acronyms such as NOR, NPOV, or even V. Also I plan to consult, and quote, other sources, in case I have to use them. I would like to learn all these on how to use them.

So if possible, can you help me to get started? That would be appreciated.

Thanks,

MrUnusual — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrUnusual135 (talk • contribs) 01:43, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• Hi MrUnusual135, I put a welcome template and cheat sheet on your talk page. Ward20 (talk) 02:13, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• You can usually find the meaning of a Wikipedia acronym by entering it in the search box with "WP:" in front, for example WP:NOR, WP:NPOV, WP:V. There is a long list at Wikipedia:Wikipedia abbreviations. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:23, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Sadako-Angels of the World

I summited info about "Sadako-Angels of the World" Motion Picture. I added reference link sadakomotionpicture.com why was it deleted? Thank you for helping. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.3.79 (talk) 05:49, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Your edit was removed here by user MarnetteD who gave an edit summary which said "source does not meet our criteria for verifiability or credibility". The best place to discuss this with them in on their talk page or on the talk page of the article. Dismas|^(talk) 06:18, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia New User Registration Email Confirmation Link

Hello my name is Cloid, with a new Email registration confirming password from Wikipedia to my Email account not working to verify the URL link : hhtp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Confirm Email/ba7d28964afc86e71595e7663199b45, would not click to verify? How can I confirm my Email address and password to log in? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.67.111.221 (talk) 07:02, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Are you sure the url started with hhtp instead of http and had a space in "Confirm Email"? Try again and if it doesn't work then use your computer's copy-paste function to copy the url to your browser. You don't need email confirmation to log in. You only need a working password for that. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:14, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Adding categories without support from the body of the article

In working for another project and trying to compile a list of LGBT musicians, I've been trawling through categories such as Category:LGBT musicians from England. I was surprised to find a number of articles with this category, which had no mention in the body of the article that the person in question was LGBT, let alone quoting any reliable source. What is the general policy about this? One example out of many is Micachu --rossb (talk) 09:34, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I've always thought that this falls under WP:BLP and that unless there is support in the article for the LGBT category, that we should remove the article from it. It is, after all, making a potentially controversial claim about a person which may be wrong. Dismas|^(talk) 10:53, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I would agree completely with Dismas. If a person's sexual orientation has not been reported in reliable sources, or even if it has been reported in passing but is not a matter that either the person or the reliable sources have given significance to, then it should not be mentioned in the article, and they should not be categorised by it. --ColinFine (talk) 15:12, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Thirded - this is clear per WP:BLP.--ukexpat (talk) 15:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I've removed the two LGBT categories at Micachu. I believe both were added by non-registered (IP) editors, but I didn't do a thorough review of the article history. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:03, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Internal links won't work

In trying to set up an internal link I always get a "Page does not exist" alert in the box, but of course it does exist - I just came from there to get the address! If I push it through regardless then the text comes out in a bracket with an attached link arrow, and if there were two names to be highlighted, only one name, the last, gets displayed. So I cancel the link. External links are OK. Why? Orthotox (talk) 10:05, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

That second sentence seems to be a bit of a run-on. Could you maybe post an example? Also, are you trying to use the visual editor or just the source code? Dismas|^(talk) 10:51, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

It sounds like you are trying to use the url to make an internal link. You should use the page name displayed at the top of the page, for example "Johnny Guitar" for Johnny Guitar. See Help:Link#Wikilinks. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:29, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Searching for talk pages with a specific template

Dear editors: I would like to use CatScan to make a list of articles which have this template: {{AfC postpone G13|1}}. These should all be in Wikipedia talk: space. The documentation for CatScan says that it will search for templates, but after choosing the proper space and entering the template, both with and without the parentheses, I got no results.

I then entered the following to see if I could find some of the items in another way:

Depth=5

Categories=AfC submissions by date/2011

Negative Categories=G13 eligible AfC submissions

Namespaces=Wikipedia talk:

..and sure enough, some of the ones I wanted were on the list, for example, "Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Voice From the Edge, Volume 1: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" (which was declined as a non-notable musical work, by someone who is obviously not a science fiction fan).

I then added Templates=AfC postpone G13|1. If the template search were working, there should be some items on the list, at least the one above, which clearly has this template. I tried it with and without the parentheses.

This is a complex tool, and I am likely overlooking something. Can someone explain how I can make this work for me? I would like to create and save this search so that I can work on improving some of the old stale Afc drafts which have been saved from deletion as having possibilities for improvement. —Anne Delong (talk) 13:33, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that the template is called "{{AfC postpone G13}}", not "AfC postpone G13|1". CatScan only knows how to scan for the template name, not the template name plus particular parameters.

But I've just verified with AWB that all the pages currently transcluding this template all have "1" as the parameter, so the pages you are looking for are these. Five are in the Wikipedia namespace and the other 73 are in Wikipedia talk.

The 73 are also listed in Category:AfC postponed G13. The template uses the "1" parameter as the category sort key, and all are listed under the "1" subheading. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:36, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Anne. Luckily, John is pretty smart, but FYI for next time, editors often post questions like yours at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). Cheers. —Prhartcom (talk) 14:59, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I didn't realize that "What links here" had anything to do with templates, since in my mind they are not links. Will it pick up both transcluded and non-transcluded templates? Is there no end to the complexity of Wikipedia? —Anne Delong (talk) 18:13, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Question one: By default, Special:WhatLinksHere lists both transclusions and ordinary links, but once you've got a list of results it shows a "filter" box near the top. Using that, you can hide the transclusions or the ordinary links. Question two: Probably not. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:43, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Search index updating

Usually, the search index seems to update about 02.00-03.00 UTC - this is based on a typical latest time/date in a common search
Today, however, it updated sometime between 10.00 and 14.00 UTC - this confuses us WP:WikiGnomes trying to clear spelling corrections
Is there some log that shows when the index was last updated? If so, where is it? If not, why not? and can we please have such a log? - Arjayay (talk) 16:08, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

You seem to already know when it was updated. Can you clarify your question? RudolfRed (talk) 00:16, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Uploading an image of an obituary

Dear friends,

I'm working on an article regarding Major Adam Davie (Commander of the Kandyan Garrison of 1803 expedition) who died in 1812 as a prisoner of the Kingdom of Kandy. I'm considering to add an image of his obituary to the article. It was published in the "Scots Magazine and Edinburgh Literary Miscellany" in 1815. I can even type it as a quote but I think an image would increase articles's value. Is there a consensus or a official policy regarding adding obituary images to an article. Thanks. Nishadhi (talk) 17:57, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Images are considered undesirable as a replacement for citations, as there is greater potential for manipulation and falsification. Just cite the actual text of the actual obituary; a picture of a reference does not add value to the article.--Orange Mike | Talk 20:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC). --Orange Mike | Talk 20:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Injury

I was injured in chevron on 23th Lonsdale. North Vancouver in BC.CANADA in last June, 2013. The chevron adjuster believes, my injury is subjective and they aren't responsible. It's interesting, they hurt people' health and then say it is subjective. I'm following up my case if you ( chevron doesn't want to to take responsibility, I'll go to newspaper and also news on TV. Please let me know. Thank you

Fatima — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.58.246 (talk) 18:40, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25 -- John of Reading (talk) 18:46, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Whitespace

Comet#Notable_comets has whitespace. I don't have time to fix it right now but being a good article someone may wish to.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:57, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I see nothing wrong with it. Though there have been quite a few edits today, so maybe one of them cleared it up. Dismas|^(talk) 00:10, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

September 24

VE's turn off

Anyone have a line on exactly what discussion/process etc. led to the Visual Editor being turned off and/or opt-in being made the default (not that I mind)? I've checked WP:VE, WT:VE, WP:VPT, WP:VPP, WP:VisualEditor/RFC and WP:VisualEditor/Default State RFC and haven't found it, but I know that the recent discussions I saw were that the foundation was absolutely not going to abide by the results of the RFC.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:56, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit: WP:AN has it :) The foundation, fyi, didn't abide by the results until the community actually did implement it's fix. ~Charmlet ^-talk- 01:02, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Charmlet! Going to go read now.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:06, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

It's also at WP:VPT, but that was posted just shortly before your question here. RudolfRed (talk) 02:49, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

• WP admins planned to hide VE in JavaScript menu: The admins had power to hide VE in the menu because VE had been forced on JavaScript browsers (and some users were shocked when "[[this]]" failed to work any longer in July edits). By 22 September 2013, there was a clever plan to hide VE yet allow opt-in for registered users who had at least 1 edit, but the Foundation stated concerns about JavaScript server-speed and removed VE from the server-side menu instead (as opt-in). I wish they had worried about user edit speed whenever a very large VE edit failed to save any changes. -Wikid77 (talk) 06:34, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Deeply biased moderator.

A collection of articles pertaining to anti-feminism/feminism (antifeminism, misandry, men's rights, feminism, etc) appears to have a moderator that is deeply biased against these things and is also very influential. While insisting that things such as anti-feminism is portrayed in the most negative light possible, they further ensure that no actual criticism of Feminism is allowed on the page. At one point they went so far as to cite a single scholarly work as the definition of the word "Misandry" despite that work not containing the definition as read and in fact there being numerous definitions contrary... the only justification for choosing that definition was that it was the most negative one. How do you deal with such an influential and biased moderator? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.Cappadocia (talk • contribs) 01:42, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

You can try the guidance at WP:DR to resolve your dispute. I would suggest that you stay away from these topics, as you seem to be engaging in edit wars and personal attacks, which are not the way to solve the problem. Consider finding other topics here at Wikipedia to contribute contstructively to. RudolfRed (talk) 02:32, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Wrong use of the America term

There are NOT such thing as "Americas" when talking about continents, because it is a single continent the denominations "North American" and "South American" portals are strictly incorrect and both portals MUST be mixed into single one; America has got 35 countries by the way; are we talking the same language? did you finish high school? you must be US-American right? We are discussing it in Geopolitically/administrative terms; tectonic plaques are not a criteria to make such a classification, Continents are : Asia; Europe; Africa; Oceania; America [just one]

and according to some geographers also Antarctic(-a) -How dare you to say such a thing that there are 2 separate continents? did not they teach you that at your kosher high school.