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Invitation

Hi Victuallers, I appreciate all your recent contributions, especially the ones connected to Czech culture. I would like to invite you to WikiProject Czech Republic, where you can work with other editors to expand coverage. Look forward to seeing you there! Thanks, C679 11:19, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Strašnice Crematorium

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DYK for Hus' House (Vršovice)

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DYK for Basse Yutz Flagons

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A kitten for you!

Thanks for fixing my hook. :)

LauraHale (talk) 18:06, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually, the number of typos in there is embarrassing for me. :( Thank you so much for fixing them. --LauraHale (talk) 19:00, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

No pictures of me in the shirt, though I suppose I could take one. It was a shirt I have been advised not to wear out of the house. I'd really like to get something similar for when I get Sochi all sorted because that would be very cool to have with blue and white. Haven't seen anything related to Praguepedia. If you're doing Prague, why weren't you at the WM CEE conference? If you want data about Czech Paralympians (Qrcode them. Paralympians should be Qrcoded.), I have a fair amount of information that could probably be fixed to semi-automate content creation about missing ones on English Wikipedia. See this blog post here. I'm supposedly getting an image donation and I would like to have articles to stick those images on. Hence the big push here. It has just been so long since I have done bulk Wikipedia article editing that I have almost forgotten how. My writing skills be all rusty. --LauraHale (talk) 19:17, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Praguepedia was done about a year ago but there were few articles in English so I thought Id fix that as so many people have done useful translations of English for QRpedia. It seemed like a good time to correct the balance so I did quite a lot last week about places in Prague. I wasny as CEE as I was working! Victuallers (talk) 19:25, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Menggen Jimisu has been copy edited and nominated. And WM CEE conference was fun. :) Interesting people and hopefully got things set in motion for other stuff. I think the Ukrainians are thinking of hosting it next year. --LauraHale (talk) 07:05, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Arg. I can understand the name thing. (I am currently working on article about a boccia player. He has two first names and two last names. He has a nickname, Paco. Spaniards often abbreviate his first first name. The sources refuse to call him the same thing. I've seen every possible variant, including Paco second last name. That's just so incredibly wrong.) If you want to have a go at fixing the DYK nomination, much obliged. (If you want to have a go at large scale DYKs about Spanish Paralympians, I have a list I am working on on my user page at the bottom. Obviously you must love Spain because you love Spanish Gibraltar. Trufax. ¡Gibraltar español! rocks it.) I hate discovering those sort of errors. I'm not a huge fan of the hook because I think it takes away from the sport aspect and makes it a personal story thing. Thus, it feels possibly exploitative. On the other hand, I have had multiple conversations about this topic with people in the disability sport community, and it isn't a particularly huge issue. Blah blah. --LauraHale (talk) 19:45, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Veronica Pamies Morera, Sandra Peña Cortes, Francisco Beltran Manero, Jose Villar Dueso, Jose Prado Prado, Jose Rodriguez Vazquez, Manuel Martin Perez are pretty formulaic in the extreme. (Trying to create articles in bulk about people playing the same sport tends to result in this.) Manuel Martin Perez is probably the most interesting of the lot. If you want some DYKs and think you could add enough to make them unique, have at. The people who play this sport are pretty amazing in my opinion given the high level of physical disability some of them have. They line up their ball using a special tool by blowing on it. It is one of those real games of strategy. Sporting part is their. Personal narrative is not so much. --LauraHale (talk) 21:23, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Vinohrady Cemetery

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Looking for help

Some time ago you selected one of my additions to Wikipedia for a DYK (Brian Bowman, first Euphonium performance in Carnegie Hall). Another page that I am surprised never made it to DYK was that on the Coast Guard dog Sinbad (first Coastguardsman to be the subject of a biography, a dog enlisted as a seaman - a clever stunt by the crew to keep him, but he was paid and awarded service ribbons).

Someone clearly upset that a dog was ever treated as more than property has absolutely destroyed what I believe was a solid article prior to August of this year (OK it needed better inlines). The info box is gone, the sources are challenged or gone, and every statement of fact that made this dog unique from property is prefaced with defamatory, dismissive or just plain false assertions modifying the claim as taken from the source. The editor involved has even challenged the validity of the source book, magazine articles and the history section of the official US Coast Guard website.

What remains is an insult to Coastguardsmen, a perversion of history (albeit a history contrived in no small part for propoganda reasons during WWII), and mis-information. It should not remain as is.

I don't know how to fight people like this, bent on destroying good faith attempts to share knowledge in order to promote a personal point of view, and frankly am thinking this is why people don't stick with it as Wikipedia contributors.(I know I'm worn out with this)

Can you help?--Rwberndt (talk) 15:35, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Strašnice

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DYK nomination of Bronze Head from Ife

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DYK for Thomas Athol Joyce

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Thankee

Thank you for my 25 DYK medal! I have already passed 50, and feel my desire for them quite sated. I feel a fellowship with you in rummaging through the 19th century, do check out Edwardx and I's recent London housing bent. It'll be the death of us all. Keep writing :) Gareth E Kegg (talk) 23:44, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for St. Nicholas Church (Vršovice)

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DYK for Lion of Knidos

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DYK nomination of Totem Pole (British Museum)

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DYK for Statue of Tara

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54,000 hits over two days Victuallers (talk) 07:20, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Way to go! Excellent hook - love that teasing "(partly pictured)"! I think that puts it in the top 10-ever. Make sure you add it to the stats. Johnbod (talk) 18:31, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

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Citations and plots

Hey Victuallers :). So, re your edit summary here:

Usually we don't require plot summaries for things like films or books - this is because it's pretty much impossible to produce them without relying on original research (i.e., reading the book, or watching the film) unless you're lucky enough to find reviewers who have documented the plot, as I was with Santa Santita. It's just not possible to do, and so we tolerate OR. In this case, however, we've sort of got the inverse situation - unless you're deeply familiar with the Haida (or were with Weah when he told Newcombe the stories, in which case you're aging really well ;)) it's highly improbable that you're relying on original research, and not true that there aren't secondary sources covering the stories - there are, which is how the stories in their original form (an oral tradition) came to survive. So, sourcing is possible to a degree not found with most plot summaries, while OR is incredibly unlikely to be the source. Hope that helps :). Ironholds (talk) 00:31, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

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Please, do you know what's missing in the transcription of this video TimedText:GibraltarpediA introduction video.ogg.en.srt? Excuse me :( --Raoli (talk) 11:49, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Raoli - Ive been busy elsewhere and not had a chance to look. I will in next 24 hours Victuallers (talk) 21:49, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much! --Raoli (talk) 22:09, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Toodyay road

Is like 20 km north of Clackline Bridge, and the road from Clackline to Toodyay is called Clackline Toodyay Road... satusuro 11:02, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

haha happy christmas as well, just wait till i start wheatbelt roads for the wheatbelt project... then we will see some challenging road names and hard to correlate locations -  :) satusuro 11:47, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Bronze Heads from Ife and the 1938 date

thx! comments in line Arg. I've just realised what's going on in this article (which I missed, since all I was focused on was fixing that section). Although the article has become a good description of the significance of the bronze heads (plural) from Ife, it started out as being only about the particular bronze head that is held at the British Museum, and which was one of the later discoveries. If I recall from my research yesterday, Frobenius discovered his head fairly early (the newspaper accounts would suggest 1911), but further heads were only discovered a decade and more later, which would fit with the 1938 date for the British Museum head. Anyway, the article seems to be factually correct as written right now, as does the DYK hook. The hook is maybe slightly misleading about the article topic in referring to heads plural, but that seems to be within the realm of acceptability for DYK hooks.

Slightly more concerning, though, is that by working through A History of the World in 100 Objects, you are creating a series of articles in which the lede, title and infobox are on specific artifacts held at the British Museum, rather than on the historical subject that forms the body of the article. Chinese Tang tomb figures is another example of this (which I noticed yesterday as I was putting it into the DYK prep area). More than half the article is actually about Liu Tingxun, who has no separate article (I actually created a redirect back to that article), but the lede, title and infobox are about his tomb guardians held at the British Museum.

I get confused by this. I was told that you/one called an article "Buckingham Palace" (imagine 12 years ago!) this was because a) its the common name and because b) its the only one. WHEN you discover another Buckingham Palace is when you should decide whether to put (London) or (Queen's house) on the end. The article on "Statue of Tara" is about the BM one - but its gets complicated because there is a copy in Colombo too. Usually these articles split when there is sufficient information. It could be that Liu Tingxun may may an article himself one day but the BM doesn't have the info as far as I can see .... but I've asked a Chinese editor to look over there too. Maybe the first version of Buckingham Palace might have mentioned "The queens Art Collection", "Pall Mall" and "The Royal Family" .... eventually they would have become their own articles.

You're doing a fantastic and very laudable job in making these articles, but could I suggest trying to focus them more on the specific facet of history that they describe, rather than on just the artifacts? -Kieran (talk) 17:51, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

(Thanks! Although it was another editor who has started most of the recent ones) I think that a snippet of history has to be included - but if we are not careful then we will have a 100 articles of Ceylon's history with each about an artefact - its a balance and has to be primarily targeted at the one item. However some of the 100 articles are very vague so "Stone Age Axe" ..... isn't going to support very much about a particular axe unless it has its own back story. I think the Head of Ife is now much better then I could ever have written! .... and it may grow to be "statueS! of Ife" Victuallers (talk) 19:28, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Mulling over this a little more, I don't think all of these articles need this kind of treatment. For example, the Lion of Knidos is fairly unambiguous. Some definitely could -- for instance Statue of Tara is probably not really in compliance with Wikipedia naming policy (there being numerous statues of Tara in the world, both in museums and in Buddhist temples). In that case, there is a good article about Tara, but the article could probably do with a move to something like Statue of Tara at the British Museum. I'd rather discuss this a bit before going ahead and doing it, though. -Kieran (talk) 18:08, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

You are (unfortunately) completely wrong about the naming rules, which encourage or mandate this sort of title - see below. And your suggestion is well outside the naming conventions - see WP:VAMOS and the general guidelines. Johnbod (talk) 04:09, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

I think what bothers me, (apart from the perpetuation of WP:BIAS) and particularly about Statue of Tara, is the use of the definite article in the lede, implying that this is the only statue of Tara. Going by the main article, statues of Tara are about as common as statues of the Virgin Mary, so this is about equivalent to if, say, the article on the Golden Madonna of Essen were called simply Statue of the Virgin Mary. The same is true of the bronze head of Ife -- it's not the only bronze head from Ife, or the first discovered, or even the most significant, yet the article refers to it using the definite article. I feel like those titles probably made sense as written in the book given the very specific context of "A History of the World in 100 Objects [held at the British Museum]", but don't make as much sense within Wikipedia's much wider context (of an encyclopaedia of human knowledge). -Kieran (talk) 02:24, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

I agree both of those would be better renamed, though I'm not sure to what. They're certainly not as common as statues of Mary, but the BM will have plenty I'm sure, so something like Statue of Tara (British Museum) is no better. The Ife one might be easier. While they are strictly in accordance with general WP naming guidelines, until a 2nd statue of Tara gets an article, I've always been unhappy when the rules produce this sort of result, which they very often do for subjects in Christian art too. It's very common for just taking the name the museum uses to produce this sort of result. If you think these are bad, try Category:Indianapolis Museum of Art artworks with gems like Moroccan wall hanging - italicized too - and Vase with carved peony scrolls! I've renamed some of the worst in the past. It would of course be nice if people spent more time writing hugely-researched articles on more general topics, but we know most Wikipedians prefer discrete subjects for obvious reasons, & it is pointless to complain about this. I'd be content if you just added appropriate categories, Victuallers - Chinese pottery & Tang dynasty art are pretty obvious for Chinese Tang tomb figures, though that really does need a rename. Johnbod (talk) 04:09, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

@Johnbod, I think the important point here is that there is no argument here - its a discussion. @Ironholds recently renamed Totem Pole (British Museum) to Kuyung Totem Pole citing a similar argument to @Kierano. I had no objection as I can see his reasoning but I can also see counter arguments (including policy). If we talk about The totem pole in the British Museum then most people who have visited there would know exactly which one we were talking about. In my first draft I even included a picture of the closest pretender to the title (but this was thought off subject). I'm not sure we are going to settle this but do be assured that I'm happy to see the titles modded as long as it is still recognisable and it isnt the subject of an edit war .... (neither of which I think is very likely!).

The historical context is important for these artefacts but the emphasis is intended to be on the specific example. The Statue of Tara has its own peculiar back story which gives a specific example of how the Brits treated the people of Sri Lanka and how they then hid their findings as too erotic to be seen. Visitors to museums I suggest want to know the specific stuff. and then read about its context. I'm very pleased to see that we had 55,000 hits on Statue of Tara due to a hooky hook - but intriguingly we still got several hundred a day on the following days. This suggests that people are interested in specific artefacts. The Chinese Tang figures are on the main page at the moment so it might be interesting to see if anyone else has a view. Oh and thanks for the comments and contributions. Happy Xmas. Victuallers (talk) 09:07, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

I think this discussion is proceeding quite fruitfully and non-argumentatively, not to worry. What I'm getting most from it is that there is currently no policy on the naming of articles about artworks and artifacts, and that the current generic naming policy is inadequate. The correct solution would be for us to start the work of creating such a policy (with some kind of RfC for wider input). I'm a little busy right now, but will add this to my to-do list. -Kieran (talk) 17:19, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

I agree - very civilised. When the RFC is ready then we should post on the GLAM lists as that might attract some good views. The 100 articles might be a representative sample of notable items that vary from the very specific like the Swimming Reindeer to generic like Solar Light with the ones we have discussed in between. Victuallers (talk) 17:47, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

See my comment above. There is a policy, at WP:VAMOS (Wikipedia:VAMOS#Works_of_art), although the general naming principles (especially WP:PRECISION, which the disambiguation police love) rather work against it in the cases of a) works with very common titles but only one example with an article or b) works with no title, only a descriptive name that could apply to thousands of works but only one example with an article (as here). It should probably be added to, especially to spell out the differences between these two cases, and how to deal with generic objects in the decorative arts etc.. It isn't worth trying to change the general policy frankly, & general RFCs on specialized visual arts issues tend to produce bad results. Notifying relevant projects of a discussion at VAMOS is best. I may bang out a draft there sometime. Johnbod (talk) 17:49, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

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7,800 hits Victuallers (talk) 08:18, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/A Boy was Born

The whole "was/Was" was a mess. The original nominator withdrew, so I undid the withdrawal, and then re-nominated it to undo the harm. You reviewed it, so can you review it again? --George Ho (talk) 08:22, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

See also, and my talk. We have now an article that doesn't mention a single time that the published title of the work is not the one our MOS dictates. I can't support that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:25, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

As someone who hasn't stated a view then I could offer some binding arbitration if those who think this important are willing to finish the debate and move one Victuallers (talk) 13:03, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

The nom is closed, so I think is the discussion. I moved on, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:09, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Sad that good work has been lost by a silly argument over the case of a single letter. The whole point is that its better to have an imperfect article rather than no article. Pleased you have have moved on - best wishes Victuallers (talk) 10:51, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

The work is not lost, the article is there, but I don't want to show the "wrong version" on the Main page. The article is moving the right direction, did you see? - Lost: BarkingMoon, since July 2011, - that was the one time I screamed about a loss here, and still remember that I felt sick. - Christmas Cheers: thank you! Mine will appear on my user and talk on 24 December, - with our without the Boy is not decided yet ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:46, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, you passed Template:Did you know nominations/Christmas Peace, but there wasn't a citation directly after the hook, per rule 3b. (Just a quick heads up, I added a reference.) Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, Matty.007 13:04, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Did you know nominations/Matilda Hays

Thanks so much for your input on the Matilda Hays article. I really enjoyed writing it and am interested to know what you meant on Template:Did you know nominations/Matilda Hays when you said other hooks were possible.--CaroleHenson (talk) 18:47, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh, just after I posted this I saw another section on this page. It seems "hook" refers to the DYK verbiage. If that's the case, yes, there would have been other hooks. If, however, you meant verbiage within the article that could be expanded upon, that would be good to know.--CaroleHenson (talk) 18:50, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for greetings, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Brandmeister^talk 22:29, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Turkeys

Thanks for the thought. I don't know if you have turkeys in your part of the world, but here is a picture in case you don't. Thanks also for the review on Template:Did you know nominations/Battle of Shela. I like your hook better. I was surprised when I saw it had been nominated. Not one I would have chosen. Then I saw another one. And another... Why not?

Anyway, happy Christmas. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:37, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

I as well, appreciate the random well wishes. Thank you. --NickPenguin_(contribs) 06:14, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Yuor posts [1] include what looks like a copy of an old irrelevant section from somewhere: "Wikidata and Interwiki links". PrimeHunter (talk) 11:22, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

You are right - Ive tried to fix a few but it looks as if my xmas wishes have got mixed up with a trout. Thwack!! self trouted! Victuallers (talk) 12:20, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Thanks! Merry Christmas to you, too! --Melody Lavender (talk) 11:28, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

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:) The carton was never meant to hold anything, anyway. (talk) 12:34, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

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Good Yule!

Thank you, and greetings of the season to you too! Yngvadottir (talk) 13:47, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy Christmas too! Are you involved at all in the new Bremen project I heard is going?♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:01, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hi again

Helping me Out

So, quick question. I'm not too familiar with wikipedia. Its a miracle I could make it this far to send you a message. I don't even know if there's some other way to send messages. I tried to find your reference from the book someone lent you, but I'm having trouble navigating to that page. Can you please tell me the name of that book here, in a replied message? Thanks :) JadedFlashback (talk) 06:48, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Bronze Head from Ife

Harrias ^talk 12:02, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Thanks for the holiday greeting. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too! Fortdj33 (talk) 15:10, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you for writing Bronze Head from Ife, an important article for African art. Your work in this underrepresented area of Wikipedia is highly appreciated! Happy holidays, ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 15:40, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - the 3 plus editors got Bronze Head from Ife 11,000 hits yesterday Victuallers (talk) 10:26, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Tartupedia

Hello Vict,

1. I was performing some researchs about active Wikitown projects now and I've noticed the project called in Estonian "Tartupeedia" ie "Tartupedia" and so I want to ask you if it's possible to write an article at "GLAM: Newsletter" for the December Issue on Wikimedia Outreach. I started a regular correspondence with Raul Veede that he've overwhelmed me with information about the project in English. In this way everyone can know about this. If you want I'll send you the Raul's text in English. Thank you
2. I'd be grateful for any information on these matters about QRpedia plaques: 1.what are the exact materials, 2.how big are the plaques, 3.how exactly are they produced, 4.how many have people had to replace in any citypedia projects in a year, 53might there be some way to reduce the costs... Thank you too

:) — Raoli (talk) 23:52, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

send me the stuff - happy to do what I can. Praguepedia church is on front page on Boxing Day Victuallers (talk) 10:24, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Tartupedia December 21, 2013 I : Hi, I would like to know what is the status of the project "Tartupeedia" now. I have read also you userpage Kasutaja:Oop/Tartupeedia/Tartupeedia_tööplaan where you say that "Oktoobri lõpp 2013: projekti eelarve järgmiseks aastaks purki, rahataotlus WMF-ile (ja võib-olla kuhugi veel)". Which is the project budget for the next year? I would like to be notified of any updates or changes. December 22, 2013 Raul Veede : The project is going on well. While we haven't pushed the QR part much, we have run some smaller contests and one big, and the results of the almost-year-long photo contest are going to be announced in January. We've got some support from the city government (money for the travelling exhibition, prizes and free premises for the award ceremony in January). We have started cooperation with several GLAM institutions in the city, which is, of course, a wider theme but also concerns the city and Tartupeedia (Vanemuine theater, Tartu Art Museum, Estonian Sports Museum, etc; we're going to meet the folks at Estonian National Museum in January). We've held some lectures and workshops in museums (Estonian Print Museum) and city district societies (Supilinna Selts, Karlova Selts). While all our efforts to engage new contributors haven't been very successful, we're trying to figure out new methods to engage people and improve the content - we'd like to have decent articles at least in Estonian and English before we launch the QR codes. And we've found a new guy who is interested in the organizatory work which we have in abundance. Project budget for the next is not yet ready, as we're still finishing our chapter's budget and grant application to WMF. We'll apply to some local sources, too (next meeting with a potential sponsor is scheduled in January). But I can let you know about it as soon as I'll know it myself. We have a project page in the wiki of Wikimedia Eesti, the Estonian chapter of Wikimedia movement (amongst other things, I'm a board member), and a portal on Estonian Wikipedia: https://et.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tartupeedia https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portaal:Tartupeedia We don't have an English page yet, though, as we have initially concentrated our efforts on the Estonian part. After all, we must have content there that could be translated into the other languages, before we start with directing readers there via the QR codes. This project was reflected in our annual grant application to Wikimedia Foundation for 2013, and will be part of the next one for 2014. We have received a lot of support from several enterprises and GLAM institutions (mostly as prizes). Tartupeedia has been reflected in Estonian media but we haven't put much effort to the international media because we still have to go for the articles about Tartu in other languages - we're currently just developing the Estonian versions. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_EE/2013 We haven't gone into producing QR plaques yet (although the indoor codes on paper are used in Estonian Sports Museum). Hence, we don't know who might produce the plaques in Estonia, and hence we do not know the exact costs. . As they seem to be quite simple in nature, I suspect it might be better to produce them locally, but who knows. We'd also very much like to build a free WiFi all over the midtown, but that would be a large and expensive project, to be made in joint effort with the city government. So it will not be our first priority. I don't know if other citypedias have used free WiFi, and it would be very interesting to know. As far as I see it, it would be very beneficial for the tourists. Mobile data connections are relatively cheap in Estonia and there are many free WiFis in the town (including the city government's) but the foreigners won't have a local carrier and it is tedious to walk around the town, moving from one WiFi to another, often having to log in or accept another set of terms. Thus, a unified WiFi would be good and could be advertised. Still, there are many technical problems (starting from the locals using it for P2P connections and ending with taking care of the equipment in following years). https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tartupeedia_punane.svg is one version of the official logo. For all images, see: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Tartupedia We also have a somewhat competitive project arranged by one of the state institutions - Ettevõtluse Arendamise Sihtasutus, Enterprise Estonia - that has established QR-plaques on 100 tourism objects all over Estonia. Those codes refer to their own tourism site http://www.visitestonia.com that gives more tourist-oriented information in less languages than Wikipedia ideally could. But amonst theo ther things, they cover some of the objects we are also interested in, like the very house where I work in - the oldest wooden house in Tartu, Uppsala maja. https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uppsala_maja

That's all. --Raoli (talk) 19:07, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

I was translating into Italian the same article, then I saw that you were doing it already in English so I have relied on your version. Howsoever, you can get more information about "Tartupedia" but in Italian here it:TartupediA. ;) If you need I can translate them into English. Raoli (talk) 13:56, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

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Re:Hey

I have read and translated from the article in English QRpedia#Wikimedia_UK_dispute Gibraltarpedia#Controversy. However, I do not believe that things have gone so. I agree with you that is incorrect. :) --Raoli (talk) 14:22, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

However, in that paragraph in Italian everything is explained, leaving to the reader to get an idea: it only describes the facts. Tell me exactly where it is wrong and I will correct it immediately. thank you --Raoli (talk) 14:31, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Ok? :) Raoli (talk) 18:03, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

On it.wikipedia I can not create separate articles because they are not, by themselves, notables, so I created a mega page that contains everything. Then articles like "MonmouthpediA", "GibraltarpediA", "*-pediA" would be immediately deleted. In fact, many people on it.wikipedia see the articles about Wikipedia as promotional or potential conflicts of interest and therefore are likely to delete them. If you were at the pub I was at a party. Enjoy! Raoli (talk) 01:07, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Ah, ok. You mean a project page like "Wikipedia:Wikitowns"! Ok! --Raoli (talk) 17:25, 28 December 2013 (UTC)