Talk:State of Palestine

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This article was nominated for deletion on November 17, 2007. The result of the discussion was redirect to Proposals for a Palestinian state.

"State of Palestine" also can refer to the state declared in 1964

"State of Palestine" also can be used to refer to the state of Palestine declared by the Palestine National Charter adopted in 1964 which became the proposal for a "Single Democratic State" and which was the position of the PLO until 1974. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

People who live in the disputed areas of Palestine know that statehood is just a political vision of the Arab movement - yet not a state... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.180.23.42 (talk) 21:06, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

The term "The State of Palestine" can and should be used to describe the state of Palestine declain by the UN in 1947. However, to remain neutral there should be a distiction made by making another page for it. The current entity that is controled by the Palestinian Authority has a similar status as Somaliland (See Article on Samaliland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somaliland). Both entities have legitimate, howbeit controversial, claims to statehood. Therefore such claim as "sovereign" State of Palestine, should be omitted. The term "Sovereign" does not appear on many other pages for actual sovereign states anyway. I would sugjest we copy the term used for Somaliland: "self-declared independent state that is internationally recognised as an autonomous region...". Anything more than that seriously puts the neutrality of Wikipedia into question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Completely true (talk • contribs) 16:29, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

I think you would benefit from reading International recognition of the State of Palestine and comparing it to the status Somaliland (see Foreign relations of Somaliland). As a partially but widely recognized state, the status of Palestine is actually far closer to that of Israel than Somaliland. Secondly, articles are based on reliable published sources rather than what contributors think they know. If you search this State of Palestine article for 'sovereign' and read the reliable published sources that are cited for the information, you will get a clearer idea of its current status according to reliable sources and why this article says what it says. Sean.hoyland - talk 17:00, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

please look up "Sovereign state" in wiki. Palestine, which completely depends on Israel's electricity, tax collection, trade, and currency, is NOT a sovereign state by any stretch of imagination. This statement in the first paragraph of wiki ridicule the idea of neutrality. For now, its nothing more than a pipe dream POV.

Proposal to fix mixed citation styles

This article currently uses a mixture of citation templates, short footnotes, parenthetical references, and other forms of referencing. I've been trying to clean up the citations, but it's proving difficult accommodating all the different styles. I'm proposing that

1. the Notes section be retained as is, but possibly formatted in two columns to reduce its use of vertical space.
2. convert to list-defined references, where all references are named and only the reference name appears in the text (e.g. <ref name=Kassim /> to make editing easier; all complete references would be listed in the References section and called from there. To see how this works, take a look at Attila or Virginia Tech massacre. For detailed explanations of implementation, see Help:List-defined references and Template:Reflist/doc#List-defined references.
3. works in the Bibliography section which are used as specific citations be converted to citation templates and included in the References section, with page number references appended inline using {{rp|#}}, which displays the page number immediately following the footnote. It looks like this: ^[23]. (See the reference for Kassim, which first appears in the State of Palestine#Arab–Israeli War (1948) section, in the very last paragraph). This avoids having to have an individual reference for each page or range of pages cited in the same source; the source can be listed once and the page number specified next to the note number. The short reference for Kassim in the References section would be replaced with the full citation from the Bibliography section; note how I've managed to include links to Google books previews of the different pages cited without cluttering up the text of the article itself.

I got involved here by cleaning up some citations with deprecated parameters and noticing that the {{UN document}} template was broken—it was linking to a defunct website—so I got it fixed. I'd like to finish making the references easier to navigate. Since this is a major change, I don't want to expend tons of energy carrying it out if there are serious objections. Absent those, I'm willing to do the clean-up. I'd like to start about two weeks from now; that should give ample time for comments, which are welcome. Thanks!—D'Ranged 1 VT^alk 22:58, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2014 - Palestine not yet an official state - 'nonmenber'

Please change the "state of palestine" to "a nonmember observer state." It is not as simple to say it is a state as it is still not an official member.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-palestine-now-a-state/ U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice made the U.S. government's stance on the Palestinians abundantly clear after Friday's vote, telling the assembly: "This resolution does not establish that Palestine is a state."

http://www.timesofisrael.com/is-palestine-a-state-that-may-depend-on-the-palestinians/ UN officials told the members of the Palestinian delegation — which had apparently produced its new sign somewhere else — that they were not authorized to change the sign on their own and had to replace the self-made sign declaring statehood with the old one, according to Haaretz. As long as Palestine is merely a nonmember state, the officials insisted, it cannot independently ask for its name to be changed on the sign adorning its bench.

http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/palestinenot.htm 8. Has external recognition. A country has been "voted into the club" by other countries. No. Despite the super-majority of United Nations members approving United Nations General Assembly resolution 67/19 on November 29, 2012, giving Palestine non-member state observer status, Palestine is not yet eligible to join the United Nations as an independent country.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/un-general-assembly-votes-to-recognize-palestinian-state/ The resolution upgrading the Palestinians' status to a nonmember observer state at the United Nations was approved by a more than two-thirds majority of the 193-member world body -- a vote of 138-9, with 41 abstentions.

Krtfgu (talk) 23:59, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

It is referred to as a state by countless reliable sources (including the UN media division and the UN Secretary-General himself by the way e.g. ACTIVITIES OF SECRETARY-GENERAL IN STATE OF PALESTINE and "I am pleased to visit the State of Palestine.") The lead already says that it is currently a "non-member observer state". Statehood derives from recognition by other states, not from UN membership. Admission to the UN, statehood, recognition and sovereignty are separate but related issues.

• See the UN site, About UN Membership (and Non-member States) - "The recognition of a new State or Government is an act that only other States and Governments may grant or withhold. It generally implies readiness to assume diplomatic relations. The United Nations is neither a State nor a Government, and therefore does not possess any authority to recognize either a State or a Government. As an organization of independent States, it may admit a new State to its membership or accept the credentials of the representatives of a new Government."
• See Admission to the United Nations (Legal Aspects of International Organization) ISBN 978-9004173637, page 146 and page 251 for relevant info. For example, "Possession of a more or less definite territory frequently is mentioned as a core criterion of statehood. An established State - which for present purposes may be defined as an entity whose statehood is generally accepted - well may continue to exist despite deprivation of territory due to unlawful occupation; and the contours of a State's territory need not be precisely agreed in order for the State to exist as such."

Sean.hoyland - talk 03:15, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Sam ^Sing! 06:09, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2014

Remove the statement where you claim that the land is "Occupied" 109.186.109.164 (talk) 13:59, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - Arjayay (talk) 15:45, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

"a sovreign state" - factual undisputed error

the first sentence in the article states that "The State of Palestine is a sovereign state in the Levant" regardless of any political opinions one may hold, this is simply wrong. the PA holds control over ~40% of the west bank while israel holds the rest, and the gaza strip is ruled by hamas, a rival organization. how can this be called a *sovereign* state? it is quit the oposite... I strongly believe that this prhasing must be mended. no other state article has an explicit mentioning of the state's sovereignity in its opening line, so why should this clearly not-sovereign state have one? 93.172.163.255 (talk) 03:51, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

agree! --46.120.228.203 (talk) 18:54, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

In agreement! --192.197.82.203 (talk) 19:27, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

It is a de jure sovereignty [1].

Pluto2012 (talk) 08:55, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

fixed. IRA (talk) 14:02, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Just to point out, this article is not talking about its total claimed territory, only the parts shaded in green. Those certain parts are indeed sovereign and not controlled by any "foreign power". It is different from the Palestinian territories or Palestine articles. Supersaiyen312 (talk) 18:52, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

"Parts shaded green" ??? The article is not talking about green "parts". Also, if I take map and color (green) the USA and Russia, it would be correct to claim they are not controlled by a foreign power. It would be INCORRECT to claim that they comprise a (single) soverign state. English 101.173.189.78.173 (talk) 20:30, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

1947-1948 War in Palestine

The section titled 1947-1948 War in Palestine does not include any war from late 1947 to when the Arab armies came in May 1948 but there certainly was a war going on. The Israelis/Jews were forcing Palestinians off their land.300,000 Palestinians were forced out by Jewish terrorist groups.That should obviously be included as it is the history of Palestine. GGranddad (talk) 12:33, 22 August 2014 (UTC)Struck comment of indef blocked and topic banned User:Dalai lama ding dong.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 19:07, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Demographics

This is a joke. Leaving aside what the UN means by the "state of Palestine", leaving aside the agreements reached between the PLO and Hamas this year, the failure of Demographics to describe any subcategories makes the entire section virtually useless. Obvious candidates categories include: Gaza/W.Bank, Males/Females, Young/Old, Races, Ethnicities, Languages, Religions...173.189.78.173 (talk) 20:36, 5 September 2014 (UTC)