Talk:Hard Rock Hallelujah

Internal links

I have removed the internal links to "Hallelujah" in the opening phrase and "Heaven" and "Hell" in the other single. I don't think they contribute to the article as a whole. See Wikipedia:Only make links that are relevant to the context, if someone disagrees with this action say here. Tartan 10:14, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Since the internal link to "Hallelujah" has been replced (without discussion here) I'd like to ask if anyone else dissaproves of this action. I don't really think it is relevant to the article and no where else have I seen internal links made within title phrase like this. Tartan 21:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

You're absolutely right. Article titles shouldn't usually have links on them anyway. I've removed it. - ulayiti (talk) 05:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Removal of "illegal mp3-link"

Do not remove links you do not understand. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lordi#.22Illegal.22_mp3-link_removed apecat 14:58, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

Straightened out the English a bit and changed the (dead) link from Lordi's page to YouTube. If anyone can find a better link to the video, it'd be much appreciated. Snowgrouse 15:28, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

highschool

There are no high schools in Finland.

Cheerleaders aren't big either. I assumed the video was parodying US high schools, myself:). It doesn't look like a Finnish lukio to me either... Snowgrouse 18:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

You can interpret the video as Suomineito (young female, Finnish version of for example Uncle Sam representing the country) without self-esteem, un-noticed in school, ignored by the popular girls. The monsters of Lordi gives her self-esteem and power to rule. So I see it, anyway.

Interperetations should not be included in the aticle however (unless they are quoting the band on how they wanted the video to be seen), so that is irrelevant.

--The above interpretation seems to hinge upon the Eurovision thing, but the video predates that. Also, the leading lady doesn't exactly look like the stereotypical image of Maiden Finland, considering she's Asian. It's the blonde cheerleaders who are more stereotypically Finnish:)... Snowgrouse 19:39, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

This is heavy metal ???

Maybe the genre description of their "music" should be described from an independent point of view in an encyclopedia. Of course, the "band" would describe themselves as an "heavy-metal band", for obvious marketing reasons. I've only listened to their performance at the 2006 eurovision song contest, yet I don't know anything else from them (and I don't want to). My impressions were:

- Oh, god ! Their song is called "hard rock something" but still they are disguised as metal fans. - Great, their opening has some elements of hard rock, with the lack of structure that caracterizes poor metal. - Then, after the first 15 sec, they radically changed their style into something closer to dance or pop. Only the (obviously forced) "voice" of the singer could still be taken for metal music.

It was really "amazing" (I've loved the british comments on bbc prime) to see how such poor genre-mix could fool everyone into believing this is good music. It would have just been enough to fool them into believing this is music.

So taking this for "heavy metal" is just not right, in my opinion. Having said that, I'm ready to talk about wether Wikipedia should include marketing descriptions, thus I've not modified anything from the article.

King mike 08:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

There was a similar dispute about what genera System of a Down were a while back, can't remember how it turned out though. Unfortinately there isn't any way to objectively measure music style so we are forced to rely on the opinions of reliable critics. If you can find some established sources giving their opinion on what genera they are it would be a bit help. Jefffire 12:10, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't see what the fuss is all about. Everywhere I've seen Lordi refer to themselves as hard rock rather than heavy metal, probably to avoid just the sort of moaning about what constitutes "true" "metal" that is happening here. I added hard rock as a genre to the description, don't know who put heavy metal in there. But if we went back to the 70's, I'm sure they *would* have been described as heavy metal back then. Changing times, changing definitions and all that... Snowgrouse 19:43, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

They remind me a lot of Rob Zombie, actually, when I listen to this song. They both have the heavy metal up front from the vocalist with a sort of dance groove under it. Zombie's considered to be heavy metal, so I guess Lordi should too.

It's glam metal Duke toaster 10:53, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Small comment

"During the whole performance, the band members remained relatively stationary, with the exception of guitarist Amen, who hopped back and forth energetically. This was because the keyboardist and drummer had no choice but to remain behind their instruments, and Mr. Lordi had very large platform shoes."
How about bassist Ox? -- Face 18:49, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

He basically stayed by his mic. --D-Day ^{What up? Am I cool, or what?} 20:05, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok then, I edited it. -- Face 14:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Music Video

After watching the video for the song, I noticed some inaccuracies in this article.

1. "The video for "Hard Rock Hallelujah" depicts a stereotypical female hard rock fan (played by Malese Jow) walking through the corridors of a high school, humming along to the song which is playing on her headset."

OK, a bit of a technicality here, but she was actually singing, not necessarily humming.

1. "After a while she reaches the gym, where the school's cheerleaders are practicing. Suddenly the lights go out and a ghostly wind starts to blow. Before the chorus starts to play, the doors to the gym hall get blown off their hinges, and Lordi enters, knocking down the cheerleaders in the process."

Just Mr. Lordi entered, and I think they just fainted. He didn't knock them down.

1. "After the chorus, Lordi summons the fan over to the group where he encourages her to make the rest of the students join the band's fan group, probably in preparation for the "Arockalypse", and to help her he gives her command of the cheerleaders (who have been zombified)."

How's this implied?

Now a couple of general questions. First, why did she seem so hesitant about approaching the group? I got the impression she was a big fan. Secondly, how did they "zombifiy" the cheerleaders? --D-Day ^{What up? Am I cool, or what?} 20:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Copyvio?

The article contains the lyrics of Hard Rock Hallelujah. Is this a copyright violation?

Being the cautious person I am, I'll say "could well be" and delete them. Given that there's an external link to them, we don't really lose much on the deal. BigHaz 06:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)