Talk:Sonnet 86/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 20:22, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Will complete this within 48 hours. I have an interest in Shakespeare's sonnets. ☠ Jaguar ☠ 20:22, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Initial comments

• "WAs it the proud full ſaile" - typo
  • This is not a typo. This is exactly how the text reads in the original, 1609 publication. I understand the confusion, though. Westhaddon (talk) 21:18, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
• "competing for the youth's attention" - who is the Fair youth?
  • If you read the whole sentence, the Fair Youth is linked to a page explaining who the Fair Youth (for those eager to know more). As the identity is unknown and as this is not a discussion/entry on the Fair Youth, any additional information would be overbearing and useless, and so was left off this entry.
• Paraphrase section is completely unreferenced
  • Do we usually cite synopsis sections? That is essentially what this is. The source is the poem itself. Westhaddon (talk) 21:18, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
    • Thanks, and yeah I think you're right, similar to plot sections in films/video games. ☠ Jaguar ☠ 21:23, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
• Shouldn't the extract in the Paraphrase section be in a quote template, similar to other sonnets?
  • The extract is original work (by a group of students, and is therefore not a quote). While this was discussed, it was decided that putting this in a quote template would hinder the understanding of this section. I realize original work is frowned upon, however this is covered by Westhaddon above.
• Most of the Structure section is also unreferenced. At least every paragraph needs to be referenced in order to support the claims, and meet the GA criteria
• "Here is a table examining the stress of each syllable within Sonnet 86" - informal, strongly consider rewording this and also expanding upon this as it looks out of place.
  • I agree. Thank you.
• The prose of the Context section makes it hard to read, would strongly recommend splitting this into two paragraphs and giving it a copyedit
• Why is there a hyphen in Duncan-Jones? And who is he?
  • If you examine the edited version of the sonnet on the upper left, you will see that it is provided by Katherine Duncan-Jones. The first use of her name is hyperlinked, and therefore subsequent uses are covered. She is a highly respected and well known commentator on Shakespeare and his sonnets within the community of Shakespeare.
• I would also strongly recommend copyediting every subsection of the Exegesis section; breaking it into some paragraphs would increase flow and readability.
• No navbox?
  • The navbox is in the upper right. Westhaddon (talk) 21:18, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
  • If it's still invisible, please let me know and I'll examine this issue. Could it perhaps be your viewing device?

References

• No dead links, this meets the GA criteria but still there needs to be a few more references in the article (as mentioned before)

On hold

A lot of work needs to be done before this can reach GA. A major copyedit is needed to increase flow and readability, as well as finding new references (there are many references on the internet regarding all of Shakespeare's sonnets). I'll put this on hold for the standard seven days and hope this can be addressed. ☠ Jaguar ☠ 17:32, 3 December 2014 (UTC)