Talk:Cheltenham

Pronunciation

It's [tʃɛlt.ən.əm]: three syllables, not two. Even that would probably be considered a slack/casual pronunciation; I've heard [tʃɛlt.ən.həm] and even [tʃɛlt.ən.hæm]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.53.241 (talk) 14:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

No, definitely two syllables. At most.

--MartinChelt (talk) 13:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Three syllables is the correct pronunciation as dictated by the rules of language language. There are three clearly defined syllables and this is the correct prounounciation.

Maj.Barton — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maj.Barton (talk • contribs) 16:10, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Two syllables. I've heard it called all sorts of things - mostly by people that don't live anywhere near it - but it is "CHELT-num", for want of a better way of putting it. Not "CHELT-en-um", or "CHELT-en-ham", or "chelt-en-HAM", just easy ol' "CHELTnum". Greg1138 (talk) 04:55, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Most definitely CHELT-num. The Saxon name for the village was something like Ciltahamm or Celtahamm. The Cilta referring to a hill or cliff (Cotswold scarp) and Hamm meaning well-watered valley. By 1086, Domesday called the village Chinteneha. It is likely that the river that served the population got its name from the village - not the other way round.

Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.139.255.246 (talk) 14:01, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately "it is likely" does not cut it in an encyclopaedia. Your assertion, however logical it may seem to you and to others, that the river is named after the place would have to be verified by reliable sources. --Bob Re-born (talk) 16:12, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Back on the pronunciation question..... I lived the first 18 years of my life in Cheltenham and wouldn't dream of pronouncing it using anything less than three syllables. Could I dare to suggest that the two syllables/three syllables may be a simply difference between a Gloucestershire accent and RP? nancy 19:53, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

No ;) Greg1138 (talk) 06:50, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

In support of 212.139.255.246 above, to say that the particular assertion "does not cut it" smacks a little of bureaucracy (see Wikipedia's own rules). When it comes to Saxon and pre-Saxon history, Wikipedia itself is full of articles that use the phrase "it is thought"; "likely"; "unlikely"; "probably" etc, indeed, so is Britannica. It is a phrase used out of necessity to indicate that here is a "more than likely" piece of information that the reader may like to consider. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.156.186 (talk) 09:30, 30 March 2012 (UTC) And of course, everytime you see "citation needed" it is just supposition/conjecture - shame on you Bob — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.90.202 (talk) 14:10, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Council control

The control of Cheltenham Borough Council is given as NOC, but it's actually a majority Lib Dem administration now. Since the elections in May 2010, the composition has been LD 25, Con 12, People Against Bureaucracy (PAB) 3. The leader is Cllr. Steve Jordan. I'm not technically adept enough to edit this as it isn't simple text so I'll leave that to someone more competent!

See https://democracy.cheltenham.gov.uk/mgMemberIndex.aspx?FN=PARTY&VW=LIST&PIC=0

--MartinChelt (talk) 13:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

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Lewis Carroll and Charlton Kings

I found the page states Carroll/Dodgson was inspired to write his Alice stories by a mirror at a house in Charlton Kings. However, what is in shorthand known as Alice In Wonderland and Through The Looking Glass were two stories, each first published six years apart (1865 and 1871). This makes the possibility of both stories being inspired at the same time highly doubtful.Cloptonson (talk) 20:33, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi mate - totally agree with you. I've replaced the section in question with the relevant info from the Charlton Kings article, along with its cited source. It now specifies 'Through The Looking Glass' and is worded more appropriately. 77.99.12.140 (talk) 05:31, 21 March 2015 (UTC)