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== Singles vs. EPs == |
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Before I start editing any of your recent Ivy pages and additions, please check the definition of extended play here on Wikipedia. "This Is the Day" and "You Don't Know Anything" are 3-track singles with two B-sides each, not EPs. ''Lately'' is an EP. These are not. |
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Standard Wikipedia practice on discographies is to consider extended plays as releases with four or more songs of equal importance: |
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Single definition according to Wikipedia: "Despite being referred to as a single, singles can include up to as many as three tracks on them. The biggest digital music distributor iTunes accepts as many as three tracks less than ten minutes each as a single, as well as popular music player Spotify also following in this trend.[1] Anymore than three tracks on a musical release or longer than thirty minutes in total running time is commonly classed as an Extended Play." |
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EP definition according to Wikipedia: "Beginning in the 1980s, many so-called "singles" have been sold in formats with more than two tracks. Because of this, the definition of an EP is not determined only by the number of tracks or the playing time; an EP is typically seen as four (or more) tracks of equal importance, as opposed to a four-track single with an obvious A-side and three B-sides." |
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Please revise the articles accordingly.[[User:Greg Fasolino|Greg Fasolino]] ([[User talk:Greg Fasolino|talk]]) 17:38, 12 December 2015 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Greg Fasolino}} I am very well aware what the difference is between a single and an EP. However, the official website for Ivy even states that this is an EP and not a CD single. Doesn't that take presedence? I believe it does. [[User:Carbrera|Carbrera]] ([[User talk:Carbrera#top|talk]]) 06:31, 13 December 2015 (UTC) |
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::No, singles and EPs are formally defined by Wikipedia (as well as Billboard, the official record charts of various countries, etc), and are listed that way throughout all music articles and discographies. In casual parlance, a 3-track single could be termed an EP, but that's not the official designation as a format. If I release a 2-page short story and call it a "novel," it is still going to be listed in format as a short story. A TV series episode is not going to be listed as a feature film no matter the director calls it. I gave you the official definitions to allow you to make the needed changes yourself. Please do so, thank you. [[User:Greg Fasolino|Greg Fasolino]] ([[User talk:Greg Fasolino|talk]]) 14:05, 14 December 2015 (UTC) |
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::For what it's worth (remembering that actual definitions as used on Wiki and in real-world charting take precedence over stylized terms), the official Ivy site lists those 3-track CD singles under BOTH EPs and CD Singles. It is not our job to compound that error, or worse, to choose the incorrect of the two options that they both list. [[User:Greg Fasolino|Greg Fasolino]] ([[User talk:Greg Fasolino|talk]]) 14:10, 14 December 2015 (UTC) |
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- Thank you @BethNaught:. That was very nice of you. I'll remember that in the future. Carbrera (talk) 14:11, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
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Singles vs. EPs
Before I start editing any of your recent Ivy pages and additions, please check the definition of extended play here on Wikipedia. "This Is the Day" and "You Don't Know Anything" are 3-track singles with two B-sides each, not EPs. Lately is an EP. These are not.
Standard Wikipedia practice on discographies is to consider extended plays as releases with four or more songs of equal importance:
Single definition according to Wikipedia: "Despite being referred to as a single, singles can include up to as many as three tracks on them. The biggest digital music distributor iTunes accepts as many as three tracks less than ten minutes each as a single, as well as popular music player Spotify also following in this trend.[1] Anymore than three tracks on a musical release or longer than thirty minutes in total running time is commonly classed as an Extended Play."
EP definition according to Wikipedia: "Beginning in the 1980s, many so-called "singles" have been sold in formats with more than two tracks. Because of this, the definition of an EP is not determined only by the number of tracks or the playing time; an EP is typically seen as four (or more) tracks of equal importance, as opposed to a four-track single with an obvious A-side and three B-sides."
Please revise the articles accordingly.Greg Fasolino (talk) 17:38, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
- @Greg Fasolino: I am very well aware what the difference is between a single and an EP. However, the official website for Ivy even states that this is an EP and not a CD single. Doesn't that take presedence? I believe it does. Carbrera (talk) 06:31, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
- No, singles and EPs are formally defined by Wikipedia (as well as Billboard, the official record charts of various countries, etc), and are listed that way throughout all music articles and discographies. In casual parlance, a 3-track single could be termed an EP, but that's not the official designation as a format. If I release a 2-page short story and call it a "novel," it is still going to be listed in format as a short story. A TV series episode is not going to be listed as a feature film no matter the director calls it. I gave you the official definitions to allow you to make the needed changes yourself. Please do so, thank you. Greg Fasolino (talk) 14:05, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
- For what it's worth (remembering that actual definitions as used on Wiki and in real-world charting take precedence over stylized terms), the official Ivy site lists those 3-track CD singles under BOTH EPs and CD Singles. It is not our job to compound that error, or worse, to choose the incorrect of the two options that they both list. Greg Fasolino (talk) 14:10, 14 December 2015 (UTC)