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Are [[Elizabeth von Arnim]] and [[Bettina von Arnim]] related (through marriage)? If so, can anyone explain how? Thanks -- [[User:Hibou8|hibou]] 13:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Are [[Elizabeth von Arnim]] and [[Bettina von Arnim]] related (through marriage)? If so, can anyone explain how? Thanks -- [[User:Hibou8|hibou]] 13:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
*Bettina's husband [[Ludwig Achim von Arnim]] was born in 1781, Elizabeth's husband Count Henning von Arnim in 1851, so there would be two or three generations between them. I don't know of any direct connection, or how widespread a family the von Arnims were. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD|talk]]) 21:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
*Bettina's husband [[Ludwig Achim von Arnim]] was born in 1781, Elizabeth's husband Count Henning von Arnim in 1851, so there would be two or three generations between them. I don't know of any direct connection, or how widespread a family the von Arnims were. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD|talk]]) 21:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

== Elizabeth's Marriage ==

It's a bit too simplistic to dismiss the von Arnim marriage as "incompatible." The truth
is somewhat more complicated. According to Karen Usborne's biography of Elizabeth, Henning
von Arnim regarded his wife as the best company and conversationalist in the world. He was
definitely not her idea of an ideal husband at first , but she grew very fond of him.
After his death, she missed him so much that she kept his old coat for years--although,
according to E.M. Forster, the neck was "soiled by sweat." She did occasionally refer
to him as The Man of Wrath, but this was a joke between them.

It's probable that the article mischaracterizes Henning von Arnim's financial difficulties.
It's true he was jailed for nonpayment of debts. However, The Benefactress,
which is one of Elizabeth's autobiographical novels, casts a different light on
this matter. The character who is modeled on Henning von Arnim is presented with respect
as an honorable person who trusted scoundrels. His experience being imprisoned is
one of the most compassionate chapters Elizabeth ever wrote. She believed that
business partners cheated him, and friends to whom he'd made large loans never repaid him.
[[User:Younggoldchip|Younggoldchip]] ([[User talk:Younggoldchip|talk]]) 17:55, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

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Reference O/S / Misattributed work?

Is any reference to the correctness of the inclusion of "The Ordeal of Elizabeth" available? It seems from other cursory reading that this is unsubstantitated. Thanks. Carteki (talk) 08:48, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Who is this lady from Wiki Unused images file, who is not Bettina von Arnim, as the jpg tag suggestes, but who appears on a pre-Euro banknote, but not German new or old series? Wetman 02:27, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Whatever ...

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von Arnim family

Are Elizabeth von Arnim and Bettina von Arnim related (through marriage)? If so, can anyone explain how? Thanks -- hibou 13:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Elizabeth's Marriage

It's a bit too simplistic to dismiss the von Arnim marriage as "incompatible." The truth is somewhat more complicated. According to Karen Usborne's biography of Elizabeth, Henning von Arnim regarded his wife as the best company and conversationalist in the world. He was definitely not her idea of an ideal husband at first , but she grew very fond of him. After his death, she missed him so much that she kept his old coat for years--although, according to E.M. Forster, the neck was "soiled by sweat." She did occasionally refer to him as The Man of Wrath, but this was a joke between them.

It's probable that the article mischaracterizes Henning von Arnim's financial difficulties. It's true he was jailed for nonpayment of debts. However, The Benefactress, which is one of Elizabeth's autobiographical novels, casts a different light on this matter. The character who is modeled on Henning von Arnim is presented with respect as an honorable person who trusted scoundrels. His experience being imprisoned is one of the most compassionate chapters Elizabeth ever wrote. She believed that business partners cheated him, and friends to whom he'd made large loans never repaid him. Younggoldchip (talk) 17:55, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]