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::Hi {{u|Bleff}}, I apologize for the delay, but I will start the review Friday. <span style="color:#000000">'''Pedro'''</span> <small>'''[[User:Prism|u]] | [[User talk:Prism|t]]'''</small> 14:03, 13 April 2016 (UTC) |
::Hi {{u|Bleff}}, I apologize for the delay, but I will start the review Friday. <span style="color:#000000">'''Pedro'''</span> <small>'''[[User:Prism|u]] | [[User talk:Prism|t]]'''</small> 14:03, 13 April 2016 (UTC) |
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:::Perfect. Until then, --[[User:Bleff|Bleff]] ([[User talk:Bleff|talk]]) 18:06, 13 April 2016 (UTC) |
:::Perfect. Until then, --[[User:Bleff|Bleff]] ([[User talk:Bleff|talk]]) 18:06, 13 April 2016 (UTC) |
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===Background and development=== |
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*Cannes Film Festival shouldn't be italicized. |
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*The poem is titled "Techno Prayer", as per [https://books.google.pt/books?id=bill263dqDAC&pg=PT129&lpg=PT129&q=techno%20prayer%20bjork%20details&f=false#v=snippet&q=techno%20prayer%20bjork%20details&f=false the book] you cited. |
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*Ref. 3 is dead. |
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*", and "everything on 11..f. a lot of steroids in the air": this seems unnecessary and not too interesting or adequate |
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*acted → starred |
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*" the film was awarded the Palme d'Or at the Cannes Film Festival; she received the Best Actress award." the section is heavy on this half-comma-using structure, perhaps exchange it for an 'and' |
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*Best Original Song can be linked ([[Academy Award for Best Original Song]]) and you should mention that the award is for "I've Seen It All" |
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*I'm not sure you can use Bjork.fr as a reference. I know it's reliable but a fansite is not a high-quality source. You should cite NME directly through [[Template:Cite journal]]. This problem extends to other refs. |
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*I've just read the Sound on Sound ref and it has quite a lot of information, you have an excellent source in your hands ([[It's in Our Hands|it always was...]]) |
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*"While living in Copenhagen she" → "While living in Copenhagen, she" |
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*I have never seen "aka" in an article, perhaps extend it to ''also known as'' |
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*"was bored with big beats" → grew tired of "big beats" |
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*Can't locate the content ref 15 is supporting. |
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*The second quote could be paraphrased into something smaller and contained in the previous paragraph. |
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*"notes that:" → "notes that," |
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===Composition=== |
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*"writes:" → "writes," (This extends to other sections, as a quote should be preceded by a comma) |
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*Amazon.com isn't a reliable, high-quality source. |
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*"David Fricke of Rolling Stone wrote: "Vespertine is the closest any pop-vocal album has come to the luxuriant Zen of the new minimalist techno". Sentences like this could be, I think, paraphrased because the section already has a lot of quotes. Try doing it for a few. |
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*"the heart of the album" how so? |
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*"In Homogenic Björk usually used one loud beat, but in Vespertine she wanted to make a "microcosmos of thirty or forty beats interacting" This makes it seem like Homogenic is based on one loud beat. Rephrase this. |
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*I don't think live4now is a reliable source. |
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*"Björk has said the song: "is about how two people can create a paradise just by uniting. You've got an emotional location that's mutual. And it's unbreakable. And obviously it's make-believe. So, you could argue that it doesn't exist because it's invisible, but of course it does"." I think this isn't good. For a section on the composition, it's lacking a more analytical characterization of the music. The lyrics are important but the music itself is described in a quite vague manner. |
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*Some of the smaller paragraphs can be combined with the larger ones, in order. |
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===Imagery=== |
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*YouTube can't be used as a source. |
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*Sony Mini DV camera is too specific and comes across as publicity, especially since it's repeated. |
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*"Although now recognised as one of Björk's finest videos" you can't only say this because one critic did so. |
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*I don't think Diffuser.fm is a great source |
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*''Pagan Poetry'' music video" → "Pagan Poetry" music video |
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*''A lot'' of Björk refs / primary sources. If you could switch some, it would be great, especially in case you want to eventually make it an FAC. |
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*The Nicola Dibben quote is just placed there without any introduction. |
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===Release and promotion=== |
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*Back it at again with those [[WP:Primary sources]] |
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*77island isn't a high-quality source |
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*There should be a separate section for commercial/chart performance, that information shouldn't be here. |
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*"Cocoon" was released as the album's third single on 11 March 2002, its music video having premiered in February" practically the same structure as that of the Hidden Place sentence, try altering it. |
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* You could mention how each single performed on the charts, like on other album articles. |
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===Critical reception=== |
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*This section seems rather small for the amount of reviews there are. It can be expanded. |
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*Is Almost Cool noteworthy? |
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*In ''critic's lists'' (which I think should be ''critics{{'}} lists'') what does the 44.5 position mean? |
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*I don't think Fast 'n' Bulbous, E! Online, Audiogalaxy, Playlouder, No Ripcord should be listed. |
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===Charts and certifications=== |
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*I have never seen a chart table for singles in an album article. I'm going to let it pass, though. |
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===References=== |
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*AllMedia is missing publisher |
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*The Orlando Weekly ref should be in cite news |
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===Lead=== |
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*remove "winter" |
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*E. E. Cummings is correct here, so E.E. Cummings is incorrect in the body of the article |
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*The idea that she meant to deviate from the sonority of ''Homogenic'' could be incorporated into the second paragraph |
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*" and music boxes, the latter were custom made; strings are also heavily featured" I suggest "(...), strings and custom music boxes." |
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* "On the album Björk added "microbeats", with the help of the duo Matmos, made from the sampling of shuffling cards, ice being cracked, among other household sounds." → "Assisted by the duo Matmos, Björk created "microbeats" from various household sounds, such as that of shuffling cards and ice being cracked." |
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Overall, this is on the verge of becoming a good article. I absolutely adore this album and think that it deserves an article of the same quality, but some of the prose and the reliance on primary sources are ultimately detrimental. As usual, one week (eligible for extension) on hold; when these issues are fixed, I will do a second review of it. Great work here, {{u|Bleff}}. <span style="color:#000000">'''Pedro'''</span> <small>'''[[User:Prism|u]] | [[User talk:Prism|t]]'''</small> 13:03, 24 April 2016 (UTC) |
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Reviewer: Prism (talk · contribs) 22:11, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Hello Bleff, I will be conducting this review shortly. Good night, Pedro u | t 22:11, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- Great!--Bleff (talk) 18:11, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Bleff, I apologize for the delay, but I will start the review Friday. Pedro u | t 14:03, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- Perfect. Until then, --Bleff (talk) 18:06, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Bleff, I apologize for the delay, but I will start the review Friday. Pedro u | t 14:03, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Background and development
- Cannes Film Festival shouldn't be italicized.
- The poem is titled "Techno Prayer", as per the book you cited.
- Ref. 3 is dead.
- ", and "everything on 11..f. a lot of steroids in the air": this seems unnecessary and not too interesting or adequate
- acted → starred
- " the film was awarded the Palme d'Or at the Cannes Film Festival; she received the Best Actress award." the section is heavy on this half-comma-using structure, perhaps exchange it for an 'and'
- Best Original Song can be linked (Academy Award for Best Original Song) and you should mention that the award is for "I've Seen It All"
- I'm not sure you can use Bjork.fr as a reference. I know it's reliable but a fansite is not a high-quality source. You should cite NME directly through Template:Cite journal. This problem extends to other refs.
- I've just read the Sound on Sound ref and it has quite a lot of information, you have an excellent source in your hands (it always was...)
- "While living in Copenhagen she" → "While living in Copenhagen, she"
- I have never seen "aka" in an article, perhaps extend it to also known as
- "was bored with big beats" → grew tired of "big beats"
- Can't locate the content ref 15 is supporting.
- The second quote could be paraphrased into something smaller and contained in the previous paragraph.
- "notes that:" → "notes that,"
Composition
- "writes:" → "writes," (This extends to other sections, as a quote should be preceded by a comma)
- Amazon.com isn't a reliable, high-quality source.
- "David Fricke of Rolling Stone wrote: "Vespertine is the closest any pop-vocal album has come to the luxuriant Zen of the new minimalist techno". Sentences like this could be, I think, paraphrased because the section already has a lot of quotes. Try doing it for a few.
- "the heart of the album" how so?
- "In Homogenic Björk usually used one loud beat, but in Vespertine she wanted to make a "microcosmos of thirty or forty beats interacting" This makes it seem like Homogenic is based on one loud beat. Rephrase this.
- I don't think live4now is a reliable source.
- "Björk has said the song: "is about how two people can create a paradise just by uniting. You've got an emotional location that's mutual. And it's unbreakable. And obviously it's make-believe. So, you could argue that it doesn't exist because it's invisible, but of course it does"." I think this isn't good. For a section on the composition, it's lacking a more analytical characterization of the music. The lyrics are important but the music itself is described in a quite vague manner.
- Some of the smaller paragraphs can be combined with the larger ones, in order.
Imagery
- YouTube can't be used as a source.
- Sony Mini DV camera is too specific and comes across as publicity, especially since it's repeated.
- "Although now recognised as one of Björk's finest videos" you can't only say this because one critic did so.
- I don't think Diffuser.fm is a great source
- Pagan Poetry music video" → "Pagan Poetry" music video
- A lot of Björk refs / primary sources. If you could switch some, it would be great, especially in case you want to eventually make it an FAC.
- The Nicola Dibben quote is just placed there without any introduction.
Release and promotion
- Back it at again with those WP:Primary sources
- 77island isn't a high-quality source
- There should be a separate section for commercial/chart performance, that information shouldn't be here.
- "Cocoon" was released as the album's third single on 11 March 2002, its music video having premiered in February" practically the same structure as that of the Hidden Place sentence, try altering it.
- You could mention how each single performed on the charts, like on other album articles.
Critical reception
- This section seems rather small for the amount of reviews there are. It can be expanded.
- Is Almost Cool noteworthy?
- In critic's lists (which I think should be critics' lists) what does the 44.5 position mean?
- I don't think Fast 'n' Bulbous, E! Online, Audiogalaxy, Playlouder, No Ripcord should be listed.
Charts and certifications
- I have never seen a chart table for singles in an album article. I'm going to let it pass, though.
References
- AllMedia is missing publisher
- The Orlando Weekly ref should be in cite news
Lead
- remove "winter"
- E. E. Cummings is correct here, so E.E. Cummings is incorrect in the body of the article
- The idea that she meant to deviate from the sonority of Homogenic could be incorporated into the second paragraph
- " and music boxes, the latter were custom made; strings are also heavily featured" I suggest "(...), strings and custom music boxes."
- "On the album Björk added "microbeats", with the help of the duo Matmos, made from the sampling of shuffling cards, ice being cracked, among other household sounds." → "Assisted by the duo Matmos, Björk created "microbeats" from various household sounds, such as that of shuffling cards and ice being cracked."
Overall, this is on the verge of becoming a good article. I absolutely adore this album and think that it deserves an article of the same quality, but some of the prose and the reliance on primary sources are ultimately detrimental. As usual, one week (eligible for extension) on hold; when these issues are fixed, I will do a second review of it. Great work here, Bleff. Pedro u | t 13:03, 24 April 2016 (UTC)