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Catechism merge discussion

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I also agree that while there's a close relationship they are not the same thing; non-Admin closure per WP:SNOW -- Kendrick7^talk 04:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose merge. There are clearly two different topics here. One is a book, which happens to contain the theology of the Church. The other is not a book. Elizium23 (talk) 04:31, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Since the Catechism (one volume) digests doctrine and dogma, it is not speculation; Catholic theology (hundreds-of-thousand volumes) is broader and includes speculation that has not developed to the level of doctrine or dogma. Catechism is a WP:NOTABLE reference work that should remain a separate article. –BoBoMisiu (talk) 14:11, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. They are clearly distinct topics. However, in the spirit of BWalkerJr's comment above, some of the content of this article could be moved to the Catechism article, and this article should be expanded to talk more about theology as such, as a field of study, and particularly its historical development over time. For instance, the article on Science or Philosophy (or on any particular fields therein) does not focus primarily on a summary of all the knowledge in the field but rather focuses on explaining the nature, methods, and history of the field. Theology, "queen of the sciences," should be no different. -hugeTim ^(talk) 19:20, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 21 November 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. The consensus is to follow the parent article and simply use "Catholic". If that article gets moved to Roman Catholic Church then obviously there will need to be a new discussion for this article's title. Old page history at the target moved to Catholic Theology in order to preserve attribution. Jenks24 (talk) 14:05, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Roman Catholic theology → Catholic theology – The contents of Catholic theology also had discussed a few critical difference between eastern and western theology that were not covered in this article. The Catholic theology page has several problematic phrasing, such as not distinguishing Roman Catholic from Latin Catholic. Seeing that neither page has grown significantly since the above discussions, I merged the shorter article into this larger one (currently named "Roman Catholic theology") to cover this gap. I would further propose this page be renamed "Catholic theology", if simply to match the Catholic Church article. --Zfish118 (talk) 18:30, 21 November 2015 (UTC) --Relisted. Natg 19 (talk) 07:22, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support, per this ngram. The Anglican and other churches claim to be "Catholic" as well. I think this is only for the purpose of using the Nicene Creed. As the old joke goes, if you ask, "Where is the Catholic Church?" no one will send you to the Anglican church. H. Humbert (talk) 11:22, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the Roman Catholic Church article should never have been moved to Catholic Church in the first place, because the Anglican Church considers itself part of the Catholic Church (per the two creeds mentioned in the lead of this article) but it does not recognise the Bishop of Rome as its head. Given the first sentence of this article which includes Magisterium and the mention of Vatican II, in the last sentence of the first paragraph, this article is about Roman Catholic theology not Catholic theology. -- PBS (talk) 14:23, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support It's confusing to have these dueling naming conventions; not to mention the whole "Roman" addition was an appellation created by the anti-Catholic movement of a few centuries ago in order to make the Catholic Church seem like a foreign enemy (q.v. Romanism, Papist, etc.). If Anglicans called themselves the London Catholic Church, PBS would have a leg to stand on. But per Humbert, there's not any actual confusion here. (And there is also some chance for added confusion with the beliefs of the Roman Rite, which is just one of many Rites within the Catholic Church.) -- Kendrick7^talk 19:07, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Despite identifying myself as a catholic Protestant Christian, everyone knows what you're talking about when you say Catholic Theology. If consensus is for Catholic Church to be there, then this page should follow suit. I might reconsider if the Catholic Church discussion were reopened. --JFH (talk) 19:49, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 1 June 2016

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Theology (Catholic Church) → Theology of the Catholic Church – Regardless of sub-pages, this is <main subject> of <overarching category or organization>. Per WP:NATURALDIS and WP:CONSISTENCY, see Dogma in the Catholic Church, Sacraments of the Catholic Church, Theology of the body, History of the Catholic Church, Vocational discernment in the Catholic Church, Order of precedence in the Catholic Church, Marriage in the Catholic Church, etc. Jujutsuan (talk | contribs) 22:11, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the article was called Roman Catholic theology from its creation until 2015 when it was moved to Catholic theology following the RM discussion above. It arrived at its present title through an undiscussed move in March of this year. — AjaxSmack 02:04, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support as a correct reflection of the article's contents. The current title implies that the Catholic Church has a different definition of the term theology than the standard one. However, the topic of article is laid out in the first sentence: "The theology of the Catholic Church is based on..." — AjaxSmack 02:04, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose—I'm perfectly fine with the page being moved due to consensus, but I don't like the proposed title. I would like the title before I moved the page, Catholic theology, to be restored. Canon Law Junkie §§§ Talk 04:06, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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	*'''Support''' as a correct reflection of the article's contents. The current title implies that the Catholic Church has a different definition of the term theology than the standard one. However, the topic of article is laid out in the first sentence: ''"The theology of the Catholic Church is based on..."'' — [[User talk:AjaxSmack\|<span style="border:1px solid #000073;background:#4D4DA6;padding:2px;color:#F9FFFF;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em"><font face="Georgia"> '''AjaxSmack''' </font></span>]] 02:04, 2 June 2016 (UTC)		*'''Support''' as a correct reflection of the article's contents. The current title implies that the Catholic Church has a different definition of the term theology than the standard one. However, the topic of article is laid out in the first sentence: ''"The theology of the Catholic Church is based on..."'' — [[User talk:AjaxSmack\|<span style="border:1px solid #000073;background:#4D4DA6;padding:2px;color:#F9FFFF;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em"><font face="Georgia"> '''AjaxSmack''' </font></span>]] 02:04, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

			*'''Oppose'''—I'm perfectly fine with the page being moved due to consensus, but I don't like the proposed title. I would like the title before I moved the page, [[Catholic theology]], to be restored. <font face="Old English text MT"> [[User:CanonLawJunkie\|Canon Law Junkie]] </font>§§§ <font face="Old English text MT">[[User talk: CanonLawJunkie\|Talk]]</font> 04:06, 2 June 2016 (UTC)