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Thanks for your suggestion on Draft:Durgesh Tripathi & Requesting to Review the changes

Hi Robert, I have reduce the references of YouTube as you suggested all these left are TV channel clips supporting the Article backed by other references.

Also I want to know that what can I do to get my submitted Article accepted soon, as its taking so much time,I posted this around 20 days ago but its still waiting for review. Sandy.yadav.0211 (talk) 20:24, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Comments request for edit to Draft:Mexican_Telecommunications_Reform_2015-16_(RED_COMPARTIDA)

HI Robert,

I have, I hope, made the requested changes and added several new links to wikipedia articles along with tidying up the references list and I have also added external links. ::The draft in question is Draft:Mexican_Telecommunications_Reform_2015-16_(RED_COMPARTIDA)

Thank you for your assistance!

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Draft: Stone Tower

Hi Robert, I have made the changes you suggested on this draft topic. Please read and sign-off when you have a moment. Riaz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riaz Dean (talk • contribs) 18:37, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

The draft in question is Draft:Stone Tower. When you ask about an article, please provide a link to the article. I will ask for comments at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:00, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Comments - Draft ATMIA

Robert you requested

Remove words "new article content".

Its now done.

Is it possible for you to accept the contribution?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by CIM2014 (talk • contribs) 11:18, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

The previous reviewer was not optimistic about establishing notability. Neither am I, but I am willing to ask other experienced editors at the Teahouse to comment. Do you have a connection with the subject organization?

This year I am working with this organisation as part of the preparations to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the ATM in 2017. But I am full time academic employee of Bangor University (Wales)

Robert McClenon (talk) 13:59, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

The draft in question is Draft:ATMIA. When you ask about a draft, it is helpful to provide a link to it. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:03, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt reply and apologies for missing the link. KGirlTrucker81 has looked at Draft:ATMIA and thinks there are problems as it "includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations"

I will have a look and come back to you (as there doesn't seem to be a KGirlTrucker81 talk).

Again thanks Bernardo —Preceding undated comment added 15:27, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

User:CIM2014 - There is a User talk:KGirlTrucker81. Also, if you are working with the ATMIA, have you provided the conflict of interest disclosure? Robert McClenon (talk) 15:55, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

I have not received payment from them. It is part of my job as we are asked for "public engagement". But can and will add it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CIM2014 (talk • contribs) 15:57, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

We have a paid editing policy and a a conflict of interest policy. If you are not being paid, you still have what is known in Wikipedia as a conflict of interest. I become cynical about at least conflict of interest when I see a new editor whose edits focus entirely on getting one or two or three articles into article space. I invite you to participate in improving Wikipedia more generally, but I know that many single-purpose accounts come only to get "their" article or articles approved. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:47, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

decline of Angie Craig article

Thanks for the offer. I thought a strong candidate in a competitive congressional election would be notable but I guess I'll have to wait and see if she gets elected. --BoogaLouie (talk) 14:15, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

The article is Draft:Angie Craig. I have two problems with the draft. First, it is non-neutral, and reads like an endorsement of Craig. Second, we have a political notability guideline, by which national and state legislators are ipso facto notable. Most other politicians have to satisfy general notability guidelines. In general, because there is a notability guideline, many reviewers use a strict standard with regard to general notability of candidates who do not satisfy political notability. However, I will be taking a discussion to the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:30, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

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Request on 09:46:30, 2 October 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Si467

• Si467 (talk · contribs)
  • User:Si467/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Robert Thanks for your feedback on the draft submission for James Calder. It may ahve been duplicated as I have now taken over from the previous guy. I hope the latest edit conforms to Wiki. Any advice much appreciated. We will try to get more articles submitted as we become more experienced with using Wiki (we are a group of academics and used to publishing in peer reviewed journals not Wiki!!) Best wishes, Si

Si467 (talk) 09:46, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

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Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:38, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Clipperz review

Mr. McClenon -- I'm recently copied a version of the proposed article about Clipperz Password Manager which I considered to be the best onto my personal Wikipedia page. Unfortunately I did not realize that it would be automatically resubmitted -- not my intent. Just to bring you up-to-date, I revised the Clipperz entry based on your good feedback that additional references were needed. However the next reviewer complained that the article read like an advertisement. I didn't agree with that assessment but modified the article again. However the next editor felt that the pared down article didn't rise to the level of notability needed (of course I had to remove many of the references to make the article less "promotional"). Long story and 45 hours of effort later I have given up on creating a Wikipedia article about Clipperz and no review is pending. However, I plan to retain a copy of the proposed entry on my personal page. Regards,

Toddkatz (talk) 23:07, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Whisperback

Hello. You have a new message at Kudpung's talk page. 03:17, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Apoligize To You

Robert McClenon I'm going to say I'm sorry but I won't do that again in the meantime may the good lord bless and keep you. 2600:8803:7A00:19:657C:3396:A35F:8786 (talk) 20:01, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

RFC Section

Shouldn't there be a 3rd option, "Neutral" (in addition to "Keep" and "Remove") or something to that affect? Bubbecraft (talk) 21:34, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

They can say that themselves, or they can say nothing. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:34, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

02:41:07, 4 October 2016 review of submission by Embby

• Embby (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Travelers United (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I have asked editors at the Teahouse for their comments. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:54, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Robert, Thank you for your guidance on my AFC submission (Gerhard Medicus). I would like to get this reviewed...if you think there is a chance for eventual acceptance. Medicus has embedded himself many times with indigenous tribes in Indonesia to further his studies over the years...maybe I need to bolster that experience? On additional draft...I am a rookie..still trying to hunt down the old copy to delete. Thanks again for looking this over! Behal509 (talk) 05:38, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

You have two currently existing drafts, at User:Behal509/sandbox and Draft:Gerhard Medicus. Which draft do you want reviewed? Yes, if you have reliable reports of his field work in Indonesia, they should be included. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:57, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Also, User:Behal509, what is your connection to Gerhard Medicus? Are you working for him, or do you merely happen to know about him (e.g., because he was one of your professors)? If you have a connection other than knowledge, you need to declare a conflict of interest. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:59, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Robert. I was one of the translators(German to English) and helped with proofreading for his book: Being Human - Bridging the Gap between the Sciences of Body and Mind Behal509 (talk) 21:09, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

15:03:42, 4 October 2016 review of submission by Cofeebk23

• Cofeebk23 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:ZendyHealth (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Good Morning Robert, When you have a moment can you please assist with a re-review the Wiki article on ZendyHealth. I have made it less advertorial and decided to reach out instead of re-submitting for review through wiki. I am not yet certain of the appropriate etiquette and if this was incorrect please advise. Also, if you have further suggestions I would love to hear them to help get my 1st article submitted. I hope to be a long standing creator/editor in the future, but as you can tell my feet are pretty wet.

User:Cofeebk23 - My first advice, if you want to become an experienced editor, is to focus less on creating one article and more on various less difficult but useful ways that you can help the encyclopedia, such as copy-editing. I will look at your submission soon, but that is my advice for now. Many editors seem to think that the best way that they can help is by creating one article. At this point, in the English Wikipedia, with more than five million articles, we really need more help with the articles that we have than with the articles that we don't have. If you want advice on how to contribute behind the scenes, you may ask at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:08, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

User:Cofeebk23 - Although it is an improvement, I am not ready to accept it. Listing its leadership isn't necessary, and still reads as part of an advertisement. I don't see the reason to list its competitors either. In an article on the industry sector, listing the competing companies might be reasonable. I don't yet have an opinion on whether to accept. Do you have a connection with ZendyHealth, or did you just decide, in order to become a more experienced editor, to select one article, this one, and get it through to completion? Robert McClenon (talk) 13:57, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

User:McClenon - Thank you for the advice and I will make your recommended suggestions to the article! For future articles to edit do you suggest picking at random or just monitor the teahouse? In the past (2009-2012) I created 1/2 a dozen articles; however, they were all posted from my IP and never as an established a user. I currently have another 3 drafts on additional health/med tech companies that have helped me with certain issues, but it seems like new submissions are frowned upon since the editing is backlogged? Thank you for the open line of communication and please let me know your thoughts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cofeebk23 (talk • contribs) 15:16, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Little Silas

Sorry to bug you, but did you actually click through any of the links before you judged that the Winsor McCay dispute was a "content dispute"? I've seen many a serious issue at ANI derailed by such offhand remarks. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:44, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

User:Curly Turkey - A question about what to list as someone's date of birth is a content dispute. As I said, it is a content dispute complicated by conduct issues. If a "serious issue at ANI" gets "derailed" by resolution of the content issue, maybe it need derailing, or maybe a reasonable effort needed to be made to resolve it by content dispute means before concluding that topic-bans or blocks or bans were necessary. I've seen many a content dispute derailed by premature reports to ANI. What efforts were made to resolve the date of birth issue as a content issue? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:43, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

"A question about what to list as someone's date of birth is a content dispute."—*eyeroll*—In other words, you didn't click through any of the links and commented without having any idea what the dispute was about. From your comment here, you don't appear even to have read what has been posted at ANI. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:44, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

User:CurlyTurkey - I did read the discussion. I saw that the discussion was uncivil on both sides, and that it would benefit from content resolution. I just happen to know that most conduct issues at ANI are inconclusive, and do not always result in administrative action, and often just result in more heat than light. If ugly behavior on the part of both editors (and you were uncivil) is going to be archived, it is better to take a chance on getting the underlying content dispute resolved than on just allowing a further airing of the conduct issues to no final result. If the artist had been of Polish or Serbian or Pakistani origin, that would be different, because there is a quicker conduct forum then. ANI is a lousy forum for resolving anything that isn't blatant, and it is better to try to resolve mixed content and conduct disputes as content and make the conduct issues fade into the background. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:44, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

There is no "underlying content dispute". Thank you for having derailed the discussion. We'll inevitably be back. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:36, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Robert - Thank you for your guidance on the Raging Fire (band) article. I'm responding to your latest comment. The answer is yes, the version in draft space now is complete and is the updated one. It includes new citations (19 total, I believe), which I hope will make a better case for this band's notability. Thanks again for your help. ScrivenerBartleby (talk) 01:49, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Declined my article Krxnic

Hi,

My article keeps being declined. 3 different people have now told me 10 different things to do with my article. I have added reliable references such as my BBC Artist Profile, my musicbrainz profile and links to songs that i am featured on in iTunes, Spotify & Tidal. How are these links not reliable. Clearly they are as I am looking at other artist Wikipedia pages with YouTube links added but your telling me I can't add them type of links. 3 different people have declined my page now telling me 20 different things. What's the problem ???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krxnic (talk • contribs) 14:20, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Request on 14:34:46, 5 October 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by SciFiColdstreamer

• SciFiColdstreamer (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Andrew Ranson (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi! My latest edit was refused because it lacks a reliable reference. Wasn't sure about that when I wrote it, but the article is about myself. I can try to find references (I have been in the public eye), but these are going to be in German! Would that be OK? I'm a total newbie and still reading up on the how's of Wikipedia. Well at least I'm a regular sponsor too ;-) Best regards

Andrew (Ranson)

SciFiColdstreamer (talk) 14:34, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

User:SciFiColdstreamer - Read the autobiography guideline. The use of Wikipedia for autobiographies is discouraged. References in foreign languages are permitted. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:48, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Robert -- in response to your suggestion re: COI declaration for Draft:CouponSherpa, I added a COI statement to the Kinoli15 talk page. Kinoli15 (talk) 16:37, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

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18:31:46, 5 October 2016 review of submission by Csupord

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  • Draft:European Scientific Cooperative on Phytotherapy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Dear Robert, I edited the page according to your suggestions External links were eliminated, 3 additional independent references were added. I hope that the page in its present form meets the requirements. Best regards, Dezső

Juice Beauty

Hello Robert, Thanks for the advice on the lede paragraph of my article. I have made edits that eliminated the peacock language and added factual language. Are you able to review the article yourself and move it to the live space? If so, do I need to press the blue "Resubmit" button beforehand? Thanks again. Downtheroad35 —Preceding undated comment added 19:27, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

User:Downtheroad35 - First, you do need to press the blue Resubmit button. Second, while the article has been improved, I am not ready to accept it and move it into article space without thought and discussion. I have notability concerns and tone concerns about the draft. I also have a question. Do you have a connection with the vendor of Juice Beauty? It is the only article that you have edited. If so, please read the conflict of interest policy. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:06, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

I have made edits to the History and Endorsements section on Draft:Juice Beauty to reduce material that may seem promotional and make the tone sound more neutral. I am involved with Juice Beauty. I have added note of that to my user page. I have made edits to another page today and will continue to do so today and moving forward. I have read the Conflict of Interest policy. I am open to discussing notability and tone concerns about the draft. Thank you for advising me. Downtheroad35 —Preceding undated comment added 21:14, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

01:01:24, 6 October 2016 review of submission by Edhigue

• Edhigue (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Bioneer Corporation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

The information provided about the company is factual and can be verified on the link provided. May I ask how it sounds like advertising?....edhigue

In the most current version of the draft, which was resubmitted, the references were all deleted, and I had to decline it again as having no references. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:49, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Do you have a connection with Bioneer Corporation? It is the only article that you have edited. Please read the conflict of interest policy. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:53, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

11:54:28, 6 October 2016 review of submission by Tomstuartsanderson

• Tomstuartsanderson (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Chateau de la Trousse (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Robert. Thanks for your comments. I've added some additional source material, but I'm not sure the best way to organise it - see citations at the bottom the page. Can you help me tidy it up? Many thanks. Tom.

RfC for page patroller qualifications

Following up from the consensus reached here, the community will now establish the user right criteria. You may wish to participate in this discussion. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:11, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

User:Kudpung - Thank you. I have cast my !vote. It looks reasonable to me. (I know that I would be grandfathered. When we observed the teenager's birthday, I have been grandfathered for 14 years, which is longer than there has been Wikipedia.) Robert McClenon (talk) 15:49, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Long

I thought my opinion at the Survey was a long post, but I see that other editors post even a lot more. Is that what you had in mind with the survey? Debresser (talk) 13:16, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

User:Debresser - The editors who support removal of the connection are short and to the point. The editors who support retention of the Middle Eastern connection are filibustering, but their arguments are not persuasive, or actually go the other way. It seems to be going all right at this point. If there is disruption of the Survey, report it to WP:ANI. (Since we are in agreement that not all Jews are Israelis, disruption doesn't go to Arbitration Enforcement.) Robert McClenon (talk) 15:43, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Nobody is breaking any rules, and I am always for any process that establishes consensus. I just wanted to alert you and see if you didn't want to add a note to keep posts short. Debresser (talk) 17:11, 6 October 2016 (UTC)