User talk:Pogga D

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License tagging for File:More Stories to Tell.jpg

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License tagging for File:Stories to Tell.jpg

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Image uploads

Hi, the draft article you are writing on Nettie Clark looks interesting but there is a problem with the book covers you have uploaded. You need to read Wikipedia:Image use policy but I'll tell you the most relevant parts now:

1. As much as possible images on Wikipedia are either out of copyright or freely licenced by the copyright holder
2. If this isn't possible then there are circumstances under which non-free images can be used (Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria NFCC), but
3. in all cases there must be information on the image page showing how the image use policy/NFCC are being complied with and at the moment there is non of this information on the image pages. You need to add this information fairly quickly or the images are likely to be deleted for lack of licencing information.

I have to say that, if as I suspect these images are not out of copyright, then you will need to make out an NFCC for each and these are not all going to comply because multiple non-free images aren't allowed on a single article and articles on the individual books don't exist as yet. If they are out of copyright then it shouldn't be much to add the relevant information and {{information}} will help you add the correct information. Don't get discouraged by this, most of it can get remedied but if they are non-free images not just yet. If there is anything you don't understand or need help with, just respond to this message as I have added this page to my watchlist. Nthep (talk) 14:46, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

File source and copyright licensing problem with File:Tell me a Tale.jpgnd all the others

This is what I thought would happen. I've collapsed all the notifications but they day what I outlined above. The images are all under threat of deletion for lack of licensing information. Nthep (talk) 15:21, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

condense the wall of text

File Copyright problem Thanks for uploading File:Tell me a Tale.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status and its source. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. If you did not create this work entirely yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, please add a link to the page from which it was taken, together with a brief restatement of the website's terms of use of its content. If the original copyright holder is a party unaffiliated with the website, that author should also be credited. You will also need to state under what licensing terms it was released. Please refer to the image use policy to learn what files you can or cannot upload on Wikipedia. The page on copyright tags may help you to find the correct tag to use for your file. Please add this information by editing the image description page. If the necessary information is not added within the next seven days, the image will be deleted. If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem. Please also check any other files you may have uploaded to make sure they are correctly tagged. Here is a list of your uploads. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:58, 20 November 2016 (UTC) File source and copyright licensing problem with File A Little Book of Bible Stories.jpg File Copyright problem Thanks for uploading File:A Little Book of Bible Stories.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status and its source. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. If you did not create this work entirely yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, please add a link to the page from which it was taken, together with a brief restatement of the website's terms of use of its content. If the original copyright holder is a party unaffiliated with the website, that author should also be credited. You will also need to state under what licensing terms it was released. Please refer to the image use policy to learn what files you can or cannot upload on Wikipedia. The page on copyright tags may help you to find the correct tag to use for your file. Please add this information by editing the image description page. If the necessary information is not added within the next seven days, the image will be deleted. If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem. Please also check any other files you may have uploaded to make sure they are correctly tagged. Here is a list of your uploads. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:58, 20 November 2016 (UTC) File source and copyright licensing problem with File Tales for Jack and Jane.jpg File Copyright problem Thanks for uploading File:Tales for Jack and Jane.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status and its source. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. If you did not create this work entirely yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, please add a link to the page from which it was taken, together with a brief restatement of the website's terms of use of its content. If the original copyright holder is a party unaffiliated with the website, that author should also be credited. You will also need to state under what licensing terms it was released. Please refer to the image use policy to learn what files you can or cannot upload on Wikipedia. The page on copyright tags may help you to find the correct tag to use for your file. Please add this information by editing the image description page. If the necessary information is not added within the next seven days, the image will be deleted. If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem. Please also check any other files you may have uploaded to make sure they are correctly tagged. Here is a list of your uploads. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:58, 20 November 2016 (UTC) File source and copyright licensing problem with File Tale that had No Ending.jpg File Copyright problem Thanks for uploading File:Tale that had No Ending.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status and its source. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. If you did not create this work entirely yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, please add a link to the page from which it was taken, together with a brief restatement of the website's terms of use of its content. If the original copyright holder is a party unaffiliated with the website, that author should also be credited. You will also need to state under what licensing terms it was released. Please refer to the image use policy to learn what files you can or cannot upload on Wikipedia. The page on copyright tags may help you to find the correct tag to use for your file. Please add this information by editing the image description page. If the necessary information is not added within the next seven days, the image will be deleted. If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem. Please also check any other files you may have uploaded to make sure they are correctly tagged. Here is a list of your uploads. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:59, 20 November 2016 (UTC) File source and copyright licensing problem with File 20 Tales for Telling.jpg File Copyright problem Thanks for uploading File:20 Tales for Telling.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status and its source. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. If you did not create this work entirely yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, please add a link to the page from which it was taken, together with a brief restatement of the website's terms of use of its content. If the original copyright holder is a party unaffiliated with the website, that author should also be credited. You will also need to state under what licensing terms it was released. Please refer to the image use policy to learn what files you can or cannot upload on Wikipedia. The page on copyright tags may help you to find the correct tag to use for your file. Please add this information by editing the image description page. If the necessary information is not added within the next seven days, the image will be deleted. If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem. Please also check any other files you may have uploaded to make sure they are correctly tagged. Here is a list of your uploads. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:59, 20 November 2016 (UTC) File source and copyright licensing problem with File Standard Bearers.jpg File Copyright problem Thanks for uploading File:Standard Bearers.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status and its source. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. If you did not create this work entirely yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, please add a link to the page from which it was taken, together with a brief restatement of the website's terms of use of its content. If the original copyright holder is a party unaffiliated with the website, that author should also be credited. You will also need to state under what licensing terms it was released. Please refer to the image use policy to learn what files you can or cannot upload on Wikipedia. The page on copyright tags may help you to find the correct tag to use for your file. Please add this information by editing the image description page. If the necessary information is not added within the next seven days, the image will be deleted. If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem. Please also check any other files you may have uploaded to make sure they are correctly tagged. Here is a list of your uploads. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:59, 20 November 2016 (UTC) 'File source and copyright licensing problem with File:Twilight and Fireside.jpg File Copyright problem Thanks for uploading File:Twilight and Fireside.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status and its source. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. If you did not create this work entirely yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, please add a link to the page from which it was taken, together with a brief restatement of the website's terms of use of its content. If the original copyright holder is a party unaffiliated with the website, that author should also be credited. You will also need to state under what licensing terms it was released. Please refer to the image use policy to learn what files you can or cannot upload on Wikipedia. The page on copyright tags may help you to find the correct tag to use for your file. Please add this information by editing the image description page. If the necessary information is not added within the next seven days, the image will be deleted. If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem. Please also check any other files you may have uploaded to make sure they are correctly tagged. Here is a list of your uploads. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:59, 20 November 2016 (UTC) File source and copyright licensing problem with File Sunshine Tales for Rainy Days.jpg File Copyright problem Thanks for uploading File:Sunshine Tales for Rainy Days.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status and its source. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. If you did not create this work entirely yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, please add a link to the page from which it was taken, together with a brief restatement of the website's terms of use of its content. If the original copyright holder is a party unaffiliated with the website, that author should also be credited. You will also need to state under what licensing terms it was released. Please refer to the image use policy to learn what files you can or cannot upload on Wikipedia. The page on copyright tags may help you to find the correct tag to use for your file. Please add this information by editing the image description page. If the necessary information is not added within the next seven days, the image will be deleted. If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem. Please also check any other files you may have uploaded to make sure they are correctly tagged. Here is a list of your uploads. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:59, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Help!!

I understand that I have to fix the copyright issue for the images I have uploaded. I am very new to all this and am now very confused need some help with the terminology. Sending me links to information pages is not helping. Could I please have one person with whom I can correspond who can help me understand what I need to do?

I will try and explain the situation. I am the copyright holder for Elizabeth Clark's books. These images by Nina K Brisley used to illustrate her books are probably not out of copyright. But I and another person have made strenuous efforts to locate the heir and estate of the illustrator to no avail. We consulted a copyright lawyer. I can send you a copy of his letter.

BTW I did consult your chat room WIKIMEDIA Commons earlier today and here is part of our conversation <Pogga> Country is UK.  Yes, the Wiki article is about the books and their author, not about the illustrator. I don't need to upload them to Commons, doI? [13:03] <Josve05a> no, if you just want them to illustrate the book, you can do with fair use locally on enwp...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:File_Upload_Wizard

If Nthep reads this, I too lived in S-o-T for 30 years, or more accurately Newcastle-under-Lyme

Pogga Pogga D (talk) 15:15, 20 November 2016 (UTC)Sorry I'm not sure what I should do

I'm still not sure what I have to do and where. Is this free and fair use? And if so where do I indicate this?

Please explain to me what these terms mean or tell me what in the light of what I have written above I should do.

I should have thought that common sense would prevail and if I have made effort to find the copyright holder an easy approach would be available to me.

I am not clear how to access and update the File Description page. This is all very off putting indeed. (I am new and currently learning how to use the talk page which is hard enough in itself!)Pogga D (talk) 15:58, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Pogga, even more reason for us to sort this out together. The advice Josve5a gave you is partially correct, as images that are still copyrighted and you can't get a licence from the copyright holder they can't be uploaded to Commons and can only be uploaded locally to Wikipedia. However as I outlined above they do need to meet the NFCC here on Wikipedia.

There are 10 criteria that need to met for every non-free image you want to upload and it's all or nothing, all 10 criteria have to be met or the image fails the policy. The 10 are in the link above so rather than repeat them let me explain how you establish each is met.

1. No free equivalent - not difficult they are book covers so unless any editions have covers designed by Nettie herself or were done and copyright has expired then the images you want to upload are ok because there is no free version.
2. Respect for commercial usage - limited use doesn't affect commercial usage.
3. Minimal usage - 3a (Minimal number of items). This is the first where we hit problems, multiple non-free uploads used in one article is a non-starter, using one a representative of her (Nettie's) work probably would be ok but they aren't Nettie's work so which one would you use? 3b (Minimal extent of use) - using the whole cover isn't a problem as it's a book cover.
4. Previous publication - not a problem as each book was published (I assume?)
5. Content - It's not like you are trying to upload something irrelevant so not an issue.
6. Media - done properly, the image will be compliant.
7. One article minimum - non-free images must be used in at least one image but must have a separate valid rationale for each article they are used in. Unused non-free images can be deleted.
8. Contextual significance - this is the difficult one. Probably more images are deleted for failing this criteria than any other. What does the image add to the article it is used in? If the answer is just decoration then it is failing the criteria. For articles on books, one image of the cover normally passes the criteria as identifying the book but their use in an article on the author normally fails unless each cover illustration has been the subject of critical commentary outside of Wikipedia. Looking at it the other way round, what do I as a reader lose by not seeing the book covers especially here when they are not Nettie's own work? By contrast an image on the article on Hugh Lofting probably would meet the criteria as being illustrative of his style of drawing that he used in his own books.
9. Restrictions on location - non-free images can only be used on articles in the main article space. So while your article on Nettie is still a draft, even if every other criteria were met, the images would currently fail under this criterion.
10. Image description page - done properly, identifying the source of each image, it's copyright status and which article on Wikipedia it is used on is easy.

So where do we go from here? Criterion 9 aside as a temporary issue, I think none of the images meet criterion 8 and using them all in one article makes each fail criterion 3a. On what I've read so far I don't think there is a justification for using any of the images in the article on Nettie. If you go on from there to write separate articles about each of her books then there is a much better chance of compiling a valid set of criteria for an image on each book.

There are two really difficult things to do when you are new to Wikipedia. One is to write an article from scratch and the other is understanding the image use policy. You're managing the first so to be honest I wouldn't worry about the second. Write a decent article about Nettie and get the text right, sorting out any images is a nice to have feature not a must have. Nthep (talk) 16:06, 20 November 2016 (UTC)