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==PoV allegation==
It is obvious this article is biased and written by a fan or a group of people affiliated with the man discussed. Therefore the POV tag has been added. [[User:59.177.4.21]]21:19, 24 March 2006
:It is more obvious that this ongoing slagging of the individual is being conducted by the group (www.russianmartialart.com) wishing to defame him. It's obvious they're disputing this literal history in order try and somehow discredit the individual in question, as they have an obvious history of doing so just be doing a google search. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:B-ham|B-ham]] ([[User talk:B-ham|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/B-ham|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
::Please do not speculate on other editors' motives, see [[WP:AGF]] and [[WP:NPA]]. The article reads like an advertisement, and quotes exactly zero external verifiable sources for any of this. It needs to establish the [[WP:N|notability]] of the subject using [[WP:V|verifiable]] [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. And the adspeak has to go... I tagged it with a couple of cleanup tags to show the article is work in progress; that should give the article a bit of time so we can see if there is any hope it can be improved. [[User:Weregerbil|Weregerbil]] 06:21, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

:False, I originally wrote the article (but it looks like it was originally deleted and recreated since I last checked) and I'm not affiliated nor a major fan (though I do like some of his ideas). I mean honestly, you don't accuse fans of Shakespeare for writing the Shakespeare article. Furthermore, anyone can edit in criticism. [[User:Tyciol|Tyciol]] 20:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

::The sources used for various material on this page do not meet the standards for verifiability. The "sources" invariably reference either magazine articles written by minor media outlets who cite Sonnon as their only source, or are links to catalog pages for products that contain direct reproductions of material from Sonnon's website. There is also inaccuracy in some of the claims. One section of the article states that circular strength training is used as "the" conditioning method of the '''US Army'''; the cited source says CST is "an" official conditioning method of the US Army '''combatives school.''' If Sonnon's methods were endorsed by the US Army as their official PT system, that would imply widespread endorsement and adoption of his ideas by a reputable source, something that has not happened. Moreover, I not been able to find verification of this fact on any US military site, including the school of combatives. At this time, it appears that Sonnon is a minor figure in the world of commercial fitness products and a formerly major figure in American Sambo, and this article should be edited to reflect that fact.[[User:Soft helion|Soft helion]] ([[User talk:Soft helion|talk]]) 17:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

There is no source attribution to state that Circular Strength Training is the official standard for Physical Training in the United States Army. A few senior NCOs adopting it on their own and being quoted to effect does not equate DA policy or official adoption; they are equally free to speak the praises of pilates or yoga, and just as it is so for Circular Strength Training, there is no official weight behind such statements whatsoever. Unless it is explicitly written into Army Field Manual 21-20 (Physical Fitness Training) any claim to being any sort of standard in the United States Army is absolutely unwarranted, no matter how many seminars and workshops are conducted for individual units. <font face="Brush Script MT" size="4">[[User:Jun Kayama|Jun Kayama]] </font> 23:16, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== More on claims and references ==

The Pan American Games claim was reinserted despite there having been no PanAm Games in 1994; the editor's claim that "Was discussed before and proven to be valid "Pan Am Sombo Championship"" provides only a scanned doc as a reference in the edit summary (and not in the article). The scan is not a [[WP:RS|reliable source]], and says nothing about the Pan American Games. If there was another Pan Am Sombo Championship that Sonnon won, a source needs to be found for that and the article text corrected. As for the claim about being an instructor for the NYPD Academy, again there is only a scanned document given as evidence, and that is merely a certificate of appreciation, not anything that could support the clam of instructor. The situation is similar to the one brought up in the "PoV allegation" section of this page about the US Army, and like that claim needs a reliable third-party source to back it up - not a vague document that just says "thanks". [[User:Ergative rlt|Ergative rlt]] ([[User talk:Ergative rlt|talk]]) 23:34, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

More on the NYPD document: it is a "certificate of appreciation" (not an instructor's certificate) for a one day, three hour seminar that was held at the academy (links [http://www.rmaxinternational.com/flowcoach/?p=765 here] and [http://www.rmaxinternational.com/flowcoach/?p=768 here]). There is no sign that this was repeated, no evidence that it was an official NYPD Academy program or that any of the techniques now form part of the official instruction of the NYPDA. A thank you note for three hours of unofficial instruction does not constitute being described as an instructor in this article.
Also, again note that the Pan Am Games claim is not backed by the source in question. [[User:Ergative rlt|Ergative rlt]] ([[User talk:Ergative rlt|talk]]) 21:16, 2 November 2011 (UTC)


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