User talk:BlueSalix

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football

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Nomination of David Dao for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article David Dao is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Dao until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Justeditingtoday (talk) 20:59, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Blocked

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Justeditingtoday (talk) 04:12, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

I have restored your indefinite block. Having checked the diffs provided by Justeditingtoday, I agree with his interpretation of those diffs, and having checked several page histories that he didn't link, I see confirmation of his claims. Stalking another editor in revenge for the other editor's actions is reprehensible, it's compounded because you misrepresented others' actions as edit-warring despite your own actions, and the whole time your edit war was an attempt to enforce the existence of an article relying on nothing but primary sources. You're welcome to request unblock, of course, but unless you're doing that, I suggest that you make no edits to this talk page: when you've gotten yourself a second indef block, abuse is likely to result in a speedy removal of talk page access. Nyttend (talk) 04:32, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

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request for unblock

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

BlueSalix (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Short Version
After six years on Wikipedia I have been suddenly, and indefinitely, blocked for "stalking" Justeditingtoday and violating WP:PRIMARY. Here is the editor interaction report covering my and Justeditingtoday's career on Wikipedia: [1] I think a link to the interaction report alone should disabuse the notion that I've been stalking him or her, however, to be thorough, I will offer a fuller description of events, which follows. Long Version
Background - violation of WP:HARASSMENT: :For the first time ever, today, I interacted with Justeditingtoday. The interaction was initiated by him or her when he/she redirected an article I'd authored [2]. Until 30 minutes ago, the extent of our interaction was in that article and its associated discussion pages. :In preparation for filing a 3RR report I checked Justeditingtoday's edit history and saw he/she was purging vast quantities of RS from disability law-related articles (essentially any peer-reviewed journal authored by a UQ academic who specializes in disability access legislation named Paul Harpur). Seeing that dozens of high-quality RS were being removed sans discussion I proceeded to make exactly one (1) revert to an edit Justeditingtoday made (here: [3]) and exactly one (1) comment on a directly related Sockpuppet discussion he/she'd initiated (here: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BazzaHarp); in other words, a total of two (2) edits on a single topic. :That is the full and entire extent of BlueSalix-initiated interaction with Justeditingtoday in either mainspace or article/policy discussion pages, a fact verifiable by review of the interaction log. Background - violation of WP:PRIMARY: :In addition to stalking, the blocking admin also stated [4] I was being indeffed for creating an article that "relied on nothing but primary sources". Here is the version of the article in question as it existed when I created it: [5]. It references four (4) sources as follows: Reuters, the Chicago Business Journal, People Magazine, ABC News. A Wikipedia admin should know what a WP:PRIMARY is and know that neither Reuters, Chicago Business Journal, People Magazine, nor ABC News are PRIMARY (let alone all of them). Reason for unblock: # The standard for WP:HARASSMENT is "the singling out of one or more editors, and joining discussions on multiple pages or topics they may edit or multiple debates where they contribute, to repeatedly confront or inhibit their work." As evidenced, I did not join multiple topics, I joined one (1) topic Justeditingtoday was editing and made two (2) edits in that topic. In neither a literal nor spirited reading of our policy can two (2) edits in a single topic meet the high standard to prove stalking. Further, my two (2) edits were not done to "inhibit their work" as, by the standard of a reasonable person, there is a fairly destructive spree of vandalism into which my two (2) edits were attempting to intervene. # I have demonstrated the blocking admin's second reason for the indef, my violation of WP:PRIMARY, is materially false and/or incorrect.

Decline reason:

• Before I say anything else, I will mention that your listing of several administrators and asking them to "review" this was probably an unwise step, especially doing so together with the remark "it appears they may have some background with the blocking admin's previously reverted 'fast blocks'". That could be interpreted as an attempt to get a favourable review by choosing to have your unblock request reviewed by an administrator who you think is likely to be opposed to the blocking administrator on the basis of their having disagreed with him in the past. If that were what you intended, it would be a particularly bad kind of canvassing and admin shopping, and would be further reason for keeping the block, if it were anywhere near to being a borderline decision. * That said, it was not a borderline decision. I have made extensive checks of the relevant editing history, and what I saw did not support your interpretation at all. For example, at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BazzaHarp you posted a fairly long message which was 100% an ad hominem attack on Justeditingtoday, with no attempt at all to make any contribution to the discussion of the actions of the editor about whom the report was filed. That was not the action of someone who because of discovering disruptive editing by an editor has checked that person's editing history and made legitimate edits on unrelated matters because of further problematic edits that emerged in that history: in the context of your other editing it is the action of someone out to oppose and attack another editor out of infantile revenge. Then there is the edit-warring warning. You did not say on what page the edit-warring was supposed to be taking place, so I have had to spend considerable time checking through every page that Justeditingtoday had recently edited. There was no edit-warring by Justeditingtoday on any of them. Those are just two examples of your approach to that editor, but there was more. The block was fully justified on those grounds alone. * On the other part of the block reasons, not only did you edit-war but you even included a 3RR warning in an edit summary on one of your edits in that edit-war, indicating unambiguously that you were fully aware of the situation. Block justified on those grounds alone. * Two separate reasons each of which would justify a block = more than sufficient grounds * That leaves the question of whether the block should have been indefinite. The answer to that is that your past editing history and block log show that both this kind of vindictiveness to editors you disagree with and edit-warring are things you have been doing for years, and that neither talk page messages from other editors, discussions of your behaviour on notice boards, nor blocks have any effect on discouraging such disruptive editing, so there is no reason whatever to suppose that this time it would be different, that a limited block would persuade you to change your approach. Enough is enough. Moreover, what you have said in this unblock request confirms that you are not going to change your approach: far from acknowledging the problems with your editing and undertaking to change, you deny that there are problems. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 09:48, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

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I am requesting Coffee, Sphilbrick, JamesBWatson or AniMate review this, and/or escalate if needed, since it appears they may have some background with the blocking admin's previously reverted "fast blocks". BlueSalix (talk) 06:02, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

I concur with James B Watson's opening comment. While I did not look into the details of the rationale behind the declination of the unblock request, it sounded pretty solid to me.--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:15, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:BlueSalix/sandbox

User:BlueSalix/sandbox, a page which you created or substantially contributed to (or which is in your userspace), has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:BlueSalix/sandbox and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:BlueSalix/sandbox during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:18, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

TonyBallioni - thanks for the notice. For the record, I do not object to deletion, this was workspace and - since the article proper has now been deleted - I agree that it makes sense to delete this as well. Please feel free to blank that page pending a decision to REVDEL it. Thanks again - BlueSalix (talk) 17:36, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

I've went ahead and blanked it with a G7 tag. Thanks for the ping. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:45, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for handling, TonyBallioni. BlueSalix (talk) 18:00, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Unblock request

This user is asking that their block be reviewed:

BlueSalix (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I have been indefinitely blocked for stalking Justeditingtoday, violating WP:PRIMARY, and inappropriate discharge of a 3RR template on a Talk page.

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Statement of Facts
Statement of facts - violation of WP:HARASSMENT:

For the first time ever, yesterday, I interacted with Justeditingtoday. The interaction was initiated by him or her when he/she redirected an article I'd authored [6]. Until 30 minutes prior to the block, the extent of our interaction was in that article and its associated discussion pages.

In preparation for filing a 3RR report I checked Justeditingtoday's edit history, as is necessary, and saw he/she was removing large amounts RS from disability law-related articles (essentially any peer-reviewed journal authored by a UQ academic named Paul Harpur). I proceeded to make one (1) revert to an edit Justeditingtoday made (here: [7]) and one (1) comment on a directly related Sockpuppet discussion he/she'd initiated (here: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BazzaHarp); in other words, a total of two (2) edits on a single topic.

That is the full and entire extent of BlueSalix-initiated interaction with Justeditingtoday in either mainspace or article/policy discussion pages, a fact verifiable by review of the interaction log. [8]

Statements of facts - violation of WP:PRIMARY:

In addition to stalking, the blocking admin also stated [9] I was being indeffed for creating an article that "relied on nothing but primary sources". Here is the version of the article in question as it existed when I created it: [10]. It references four (4) sources as follows: Reuters, the Chicago Business Journal, People Magazine, ABC News.

Statement of facts - incorrect template selection:

The third, and final reason, I have been blocked was for inappropriate use of an edit warring notice, here: [11]. At the time this template was placed on the user's page, they had made two reverts in the article, not three as required for use of this template.

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Reasons for unblock
Reason for unblock - violation of WP:HARASSMENT

As the harassment charge is based on two edits I made in areas Justeditingtoday was editing I will apologize for each of my harassing edits separately:

• First edit: Seeing that Wisconsin International Law Journal had been deleted as a source from social model of disability [12], I should have recognized any intervention by me to restore it would violate WP:HARASSMENT and instead notified an admin or third-party of any concerns I had instead of taking action myself. I apologize.
• Second edit: I questioned the veracity of Justeditingtoday's removal of dozens of legal journals as sources from WP articles (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BazzaHarp). My comment was rudely and unnecessarily biting (specifically I characterized these removals as "highly aberrant, disruptive edits") and I should have given him GF benefit of the doubt as to the reason he was conducting these large removals. I apologize.

In my further defense, I plead that the nature of the harassment in which I engaged - involving only two edits in a single topic area over a period of 13 minutes - was of a quantity significantly less than that for which other editors have been given warnings, IBANS, or 30-day blocks in the past.

Reason for unblock - violation of WP:PRIMARY

I agree to acknowledge, without reservation, that Reuters, the Chicago Business Journal, People Magazine, and ABC News are all WP:PRIMARY sources.

Reason for unblock - incorrect template selection:

I made an error in counting the number of reverts in question, counting an initial edit by Justeditingtoday as one of three everts. I wrongly used the 3RR template. This was entirely my fault, I should have taken greater care. Again, I accept full responsibility and apologize.

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Miscellany

It has been noted that, per my block log, I display "vindictiveness to editors you disagree [with]". It is true that, during my six years on WP, I have been blocked on two occasions, most recently for 60 hours a year ago for 3RR.

The question of "vindictiveness" relates, I think, to the other occasion three years ago. In that case, in a moment of passion, I made several disparaging comments about a new editor and was given a 48-hour block which was extended to indef after I failed to reply to several questions directed toward me, and only pending my response. Since that time three years ago, this now-veteran editor has accumulated 7 blocks ([13]) for disruptive editing, edit warring, and 3RR. This does not excuse the disparaging comments I made, it only - I believe - mitigates the current case by demonstrating that the editor three years ago cited as evidence of my pattern on viciousness was not a "clean hands" editor I simply flew off the handle at; that I am not a fundamentally evil, malicious, or vindictive creature who skulks about, plotting to harass others; and that, while blocks in that case were totally justified, they should be viewed as a separate and compact incident, not as part of a pattern of behavior.

When Worm that Turned (I am not pinging him so as to avoid charges of canvassing) pulled the indef he observed that the 48 hour had been upgraded to indef due to my delay and lack of contrition in replying to inquiries [14].("if you'd been upfront and clear long ago, you'd have been unblocked long ago". To say that this three year old indef has been "reimposed" in this case, therefore I believe, seriously distorts the character of that incident three years ago.)

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{{Unblock on hold |1=blocking administrator |2=I have been indefinitely blocked for stalking [[User:Justeditingtoday|Justeditingtoday]], violating [[WP:PRIMARY]], and inappropriate discharge of a 3RR template on a Talk page. <HR> '''Statement of Facts'''<Br/> Statement of facts - violation of [[WP:HARASSMENT]]: :For the first time ever, yesterday, I interacted with Justeditingtoday. The interaction was initiated by him or her when he/she redirected an article I'd authored [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=David_Dao&diff=774974356&oldid=774974229]. Until 30 minutes prior to the block, the extent of our interaction was in that article and its associated discussion pages. :In preparation for filing a 3RR report I checked Justeditingtoday's edit history, as is necessary, and saw he/she was removing large amounts RS from disability law-related articles (essentially any peer-reviewed journal authored by a [[University of Queensland|UQ]] academic named Paul Harpur). I proceeded to make one (1) revert to an edit Justeditingtoday made (here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Social_model_of_disability&diff=prev&oldid=775021087]) and one (1) comment on a directly related Sockpuppet discussion he/she'd initiated (here: [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BazzaHarp]]); in other words, a total of two (2) edits on a single topic. :That is the full and entire extent of BlueSalix-initiated interaction with Justeditingtoday in either mainspace or article/policy discussion pages, a fact verifiable by review of the interaction log. [https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/editorinteract.py?users=Justeditingtoday&users=BlueSalix&users=&startdate=&enddate=&ns=&server=enwiki] Statements of facts - violation of [[WP:PRIMARY]]: :In addition to stalking, the blocking admin also stated [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BlueSalix&diff=775023558&oldid=775022644] I was being indeffed for creating an article that <span class="example good-example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: #006400;" >"relied on nothing but primary sources"</span>. Here is the version of the article in question as it existed when I created it: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=David_Dao&oldid=774974184]. It references four (4) sources as follows: [[Reuters]], the ''[[American City Business Journals|Chicago Business Journal]], [[People Magazine]]'', [[ABC News]]. Statement of facts - incorrect template selection: :The third, and final reason, I have been blocked was for inappropriate use of an edit warring notice, here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Justeditingtoday&diff=775019720&oldid=775019694]. At the time this template was placed on the user's page, they had made two reverts in the article, not three as required for use of this template. <HR> '''Reasons for unblock'''<Br/> Reason for unblock - violation of [[WP:HARASSMENT]] :As the harassment charge is based on two edits I made in areas Justeditingtoday was editing I will apologize for each of my harassing edits separately: :*First edit: Seeing that ''Wisconsin International Law Journal'' had been deleted as a source from [[social model of disability]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Social_model_of_disability&diff=prev&oldid=775021087], I should have recognized any intervention by me to restore it would violate [[WP:HARASSMENT]] and instead notified an admin or third-party of any concerns I had instead of taking action myself. I apologize. :*Second edit: I questioned the veracity of Justeditingtoday's removal of dozens of legal journals as sources from WP articles ([[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BazzaHarp]]). My comment was rudely and unnecessarily biting (specifically I characterized these removals as <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);" >"highly aberrant, disruptive edits"</span>) and I should have given him GF benefit of the doubt as to the reason he was conducting these large removals. I apologize. :In my further defense, I plead that the nature of the harassment in which I engaged - involving only two edits in a single topic area over a period of 13 minutes - was of a quantity significantly less than that for which other editors have been given warnings, IBANS, or 30-day blocks in the past. Reason for unblock - violation of [[WP:PRIMARY]] :I agree to acknowledge, without reservation, that [[Reuters]], the ''[[American City Business Journals|Chicago Business Journal]], [[People Magazine]]'', and [[ABC News]] are all [[WP:PRIMARY]] sources. Reason for unblock - incorrect template selection: :I made an error in counting the number of reverts in question, counting an initial edit by Justeditingtoday as one of three everts. I wrongly used the 3RR template. This was entirely my fault, I should have taken greater care. Again, I accept full responsibility and apologize. <HR> '''Miscellany'''<Br/> :It has been noted that, per my block log, I display "vindictiveness to editors you disagree [with]". It is true that, during my six years on WP, I have been blocked on two occasions, most recently for 60 hours a year ago for 3RR. :The question of "vindictiveness" relates, I think, to the other occasion three years ago. In that case, in a moment of passion, I made several disparaging comments about a new editor and was given a 48-hour block which was extended to indef after I failed to reply to several questions directed toward me, and only pending my response. <small>Since that time three years ago, this now-veteran editor has accumulated 7 blocks ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Cwobeel]) for disruptive editing, edit warring, and 3RR. This ''does not'' excuse the disparaging comments I made, it only - I believe - mitigates the current case by demonstrating that the editor three years ago cited as evidence of my pattern on viciousness was not a "clean hands" editor I simply flew off the handle at; that I am not a fundamentally evil, malicious, or vindictive creature who skulks about, plotting to harass others; and that, while blocks in that case were totally justified, they should be viewed as a separate and compact incident, not as part of a pattern of behavior.</small> :When Worm that Turned (I am not pinging him so as to avoid charges of canvassing) pulled the indef he observed that the 48 hour had been upgraded to indef due to my delay and lack of contrition in replying to inquiries [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BlueSalix&diff=626190513&oldid=626152838].(<span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);" >"if you'd been upfront and clear long ago, you'd have been unblocked long ago"</span>. To say that this three year old indef has been "reimposed" in this case, therefore I believe, seriously distorts the character of that incident three years ago.) <div class="reflist reflist-lower-alpha " > </div> |3 = ~~~~}}

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{{unblock reviewed |1=I have been indefinitely blocked for stalking [[User:Justeditingtoday|Justeditingtoday]], violating [[WP:PRIMARY]], and inappropriate discharge of a 3RR template on a Talk page. <HR> '''Statement of Facts'''<Br/> Statement of facts - violation of [[WP:HARASSMENT]]: :For the first time ever, yesterday, I interacted with Justeditingtoday. The interaction was initiated by him or her when he/she redirected an article I'd authored [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=David_Dao&diff=774974356&oldid=774974229]. Until 30 minutes prior to the block, the extent of our interaction was in that article and its associated discussion pages. :In preparation for filing a 3RR report I checked Justeditingtoday's edit history, as is necessary, and saw he/she was removing large amounts RS from disability law-related articles (essentially any peer-reviewed journal authored by a [[University of Queensland|UQ]] academic named Paul Harpur). I proceeded to make one (1) revert to an edit Justeditingtoday made (here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Social_model_of_disability&diff=prev&oldid=775021087]) and one (1) comment on a directly related Sockpuppet discussion he/she'd initiated (here: [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BazzaHarp]]); in other words, a total of two (2) edits on a single topic. :That is the full and entire extent of BlueSalix-initiated interaction with Justeditingtoday in either mainspace or article/policy discussion pages, a fact verifiable by review of the interaction log. [https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/editorinteract.py?users=Justeditingtoday&users=BlueSalix&users=&startdate=&enddate=&ns=&server=enwiki] Statements of facts - violation of [[WP:PRIMARY]]: :In addition to stalking, the blocking admin also stated [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BlueSalix&diff=775023558&oldid=775022644] I was being indeffed for creating an article that <span class="example good-example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: #006400;" >"relied on nothing but primary sources"</span>. Here is the version of the article in question as it existed when I created it: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=David_Dao&oldid=774974184]. It references four (4) sources as follows: [[Reuters]], the ''[[American City Business Journals|Chicago Business Journal]], [[People Magazine]]'', [[ABC News]]. Statement of facts - incorrect template selection: :The third, and final reason, I have been blocked was for inappropriate use of an edit warring notice, here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Justeditingtoday&diff=775019720&oldid=775019694]. At the time this template was placed on the user's page, they had made two reverts in the article, not three as required for use of this template. <HR> '''Reasons for unblock'''<Br/> Reason for unblock - violation of [[WP:HARASSMENT]] :As the harassment charge is based on two edits I made in areas Justeditingtoday was editing I will apologize for each of my harassing edits separately: :*First edit: Seeing that ''Wisconsin International Law Journal'' had been deleted as a source from [[social model of disability]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Social_model_of_disability&diff=prev&oldid=775021087], I should have recognized any intervention by me to restore it would violate [[WP:HARASSMENT]] and instead notified an admin or third-party of any concerns I had instead of taking action myself. I apologize. :*Second edit: I questioned the veracity of Justeditingtoday's removal of dozens of legal journals as sources from WP articles ([[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BazzaHarp]]). My comment was rudely and unnecessarily biting (specifically I characterized these removals as <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);" >"highly aberrant, disruptive edits"</span>) and I should have given him GF benefit of the doubt as to the reason he was conducting these large removals. I apologize. :In my further defense, I plead that the nature of the harassment in which I engaged - involving only two edits in a single topic area over a period of 13 minutes - was of a quantity significantly less than that for which other editors have been given warnings, IBANS, or 30-day blocks in the past. Reason for unblock - violation of [[WP:PRIMARY]] :I agree to acknowledge, without reservation, that [[Reuters]], the ''[[American City Business Journals|Chicago Business Journal]], [[People Magazine]]'', and [[ABC News]] are all [[WP:PRIMARY]] sources. Reason for unblock - incorrect template selection: :I made an error in counting the number of reverts in question, counting an initial edit by Justeditingtoday as one of three everts. I wrongly used the 3RR template. This was entirely my fault, I should have taken greater care. Again, I accept full responsibility and apologize. <HR> '''Miscellany'''<Br/> :It has been noted that, per my block log, I display "vindictiveness to editors you disagree [with]". It is true that, during my six years on WP, I have been blocked on two occasions, most recently for 60 hours a year ago for 3RR. :The question of "vindictiveness" relates, I think, to the other occasion three years ago. In that case, in a moment of passion, I made several disparaging comments about a new editor and was given a 48-hour block which was extended to indef after I failed to reply to several questions directed toward me, and only pending my response. <small>Since that time three years ago, this now-veteran editor has accumulated 7 blocks ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Cwobeel]) for disruptive editing, edit warring, and 3RR. This ''does not'' excuse the disparaging comments I made, it only - I believe - mitigates the current case by demonstrating that the editor three years ago cited as evidence of my pattern on viciousness was not a "clean hands" editor I simply flew off the handle at; that I am not a fundamentally evil, malicious, or vindictive creature who skulks about, plotting to harass others; and that, while blocks in that case were totally justified, they should be viewed as a separate and compact incident, not as part of a pattern of behavior.</small> :When Worm that Turned (I am not pinging him so as to avoid charges of canvassing) pulled the indef he observed that the 48 hour had been upgraded to indef due to my delay and lack of contrition in replying to inquiries [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BlueSalix&diff=626190513&oldid=626152838].(<span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);" >"if you'd been upfront and clear long ago, you'd have been unblocked long ago"</span>. To say that this three year old indef has been "reimposed" in this case, therefore I believe, seriously distorts the character of that incident three years ago.) <div class="reflist reflist-lower-alpha " > </div> |decline = {{subst:Decline reason here}} ~~~~}}

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{{unblock reviewed |1=I have been indefinitely blocked for stalking [[User:Justeditingtoday|Justeditingtoday]], violating [[WP:PRIMARY]], and inappropriate discharge of a 3RR template on a Talk page. <HR> '''Statement of Facts'''<Br/> Statement of facts - violation of [[WP:HARASSMENT]]: :For the first time ever, yesterday, I interacted with Justeditingtoday. The interaction was initiated by him or her when he/she redirected an article I'd authored [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=David_Dao&diff=774974356&oldid=774974229]. Until 30 minutes prior to the block, the extent of our interaction was in that article and its associated discussion pages. :In preparation for filing a 3RR report I checked Justeditingtoday's edit history, as is necessary, and saw he/she was removing large amounts RS from disability law-related articles (essentially any peer-reviewed journal authored by a [[University of Queensland|UQ]] academic named Paul Harpur). I proceeded to make one (1) revert to an edit Justeditingtoday made (here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Social_model_of_disability&diff=prev&oldid=775021087]) and one (1) comment on a directly related Sockpuppet discussion he/she'd initiated (here: [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BazzaHarp]]); in other words, a total of two (2) edits on a single topic. :That is the full and entire extent of BlueSalix-initiated interaction with Justeditingtoday in either mainspace or article/policy discussion pages, a fact verifiable by review of the interaction log. [https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/editorinteract.py?users=Justeditingtoday&users=BlueSalix&users=&startdate=&enddate=&ns=&server=enwiki] Statements of facts - violation of [[WP:PRIMARY]]: :In addition to stalking, the blocking admin also stated [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BlueSalix&diff=775023558&oldid=775022644] I was being indeffed for creating an article that <span class="example good-example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: #006400;" >"relied on nothing but primary sources"</span>. Here is the version of the article in question as it existed when I created it: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=David_Dao&oldid=774974184]. It references four (4) sources as follows: [[Reuters]], the ''[[American City Business Journals|Chicago Business Journal]], [[People Magazine]]'', [[ABC News]]. Statement of facts - incorrect template selection: :The third, and final reason, I have been blocked was for inappropriate use of an edit warring notice, here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Justeditingtoday&diff=775019720&oldid=775019694]. At the time this template was placed on the user's page, they had made two reverts in the article, not three as required for use of this template. <HR> '''Reasons for unblock'''<Br/> Reason for unblock - violation of [[WP:HARASSMENT]] :As the harassment charge is based on two edits I made in areas Justeditingtoday was editing I will apologize for each of my harassing edits separately: :*First edit: Seeing that ''Wisconsin International Law Journal'' had been deleted as a source from [[social model of disability]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Social_model_of_disability&diff=prev&oldid=775021087], I should have recognized any intervention by me to restore it would violate [[WP:HARASSMENT]] and instead notified an admin or third-party of any concerns I had instead of taking action myself. I apologize. :*Second edit: I questioned the veracity of Justeditingtoday's removal of dozens of legal journals as sources from WP articles ([[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BazzaHarp]]). My comment was rudely and unnecessarily biting (specifically I characterized these removals as <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);" >"highly aberrant, disruptive edits"</span>) and I should have given him GF benefit of the doubt as to the reason he was conducting these large removals. I apologize. :In my further defense, I plead that the nature of the harassment in which I engaged - involving only two edits in a single topic area over a period of 13 minutes - was of a quantity significantly less than that for which other editors have been given warnings, IBANS, or 30-day blocks in the past. Reason for unblock - violation of [[WP:PRIMARY]] :I agree to acknowledge, without reservation, that [[Reuters]], the ''[[American City Business Journals|Chicago Business Journal]], [[People Magazine]]'', and [[ABC News]] are all [[WP:PRIMARY]] sources. Reason for unblock - incorrect template selection: :I made an error in counting the number of reverts in question, counting an initial edit by Justeditingtoday as one of three everts. I wrongly used the 3RR template. This was entirely my fault, I should have taken greater care. Again, I accept full responsibility and apologize. <HR> '''Miscellany'''<Br/> :It has been noted that, per my block log, I display "vindictiveness to editors you disagree [with]". It is true that, during my six years on WP, I have been blocked on two occasions, most recently for 60 hours a year ago for 3RR. :The question of "vindictiveness" relates, I think, to the other occasion three years ago. In that case, in a moment of passion, I made several disparaging comments about a new editor and was given a 48-hour block which was extended to indef after I failed to reply to several questions directed toward me, and only pending my response. <small>Since that time three years ago, this now-veteran editor has accumulated 7 blocks ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Cwobeel]) for disruptive editing, edit warring, and 3RR. This ''does not'' excuse the disparaging comments I made, it only - I believe - mitigates the current case by demonstrating that the editor three years ago cited as evidence of my pattern on viciousness was not a "clean hands" editor I simply flew off the handle at; that I am not a fundamentally evil, malicious, or vindictive creature who skulks about, plotting to harass others; and that, while blocks in that case were totally justified, they should be viewed as a separate and compact incident, not as part of a pattern of behavior.</small> :When Worm that Turned (I am not pinging him so as to avoid charges of canvassing) pulled the indef he observed that the 48 hour had been upgraded to indef due to my delay and lack of contrition in replying to inquiries [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BlueSalix&diff=626190513&oldid=626152838].(<span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);" >"if you'd been upfront and clear long ago, you'd have been unblocked long ago"</span>. To say that this three year old indef has been "reimposed" in this case, therefore I believe, seriously distorts the character of that incident three years ago.) <div class="reflist reflist-lower-alpha " > </div> |accept = accept reason here ~~~~}}

• Since I issued both the blocks you mention under "Miscellany" above, BlueSalix — your first two blocks — I'll just say here that my indef had nothing to do with any 'refusal to issue an apology' on your part. I've never demanded apologies on Wikipedia, and never will, as forced apologies are demeaning to both the apologizer and the apologizee. Nor was it about you making "disparaging comments". My best AGF interpretation of your description above is that you don't remember it right, and haven't seen my block rationale in the log recently. The block was actually about your statement that you had received an abusive e-mail from a user — a serious accusation which for several months you refused to either withdraw or substantiate. It was the same user whose block log you link to above, quite irrelevantly IMO. (Unless you mean it was OK for you to falsely claim off-wiki harassment from that user because you had a feeling they would go on to be blocked numerous times?) I wouldn't have brought up that old stuff if it wasn't for your self-serving statement above. It was a long time ago, and can be forgotten, I think. I certainly never thought you are "a fundamentally evil, malicious, or vindictive creature who skulks about, plotting to harass others". Not at all. You're not unique in not liking to admit mistakes. (You're casting a bit of a self-flattering haze over Worm That Turned's eventual unblock, too, BTW. Since you provided a link to it, anybody who's interested can easily look for themselves.) Bishonen | talk 18:33, 12 April 2017 (UTC).

Bishonen - agreed. I think you may have fastposted me. Before your comment was logged I edited my statement to its current form ("was extended to indef after I failed to reply to several questions directed toward me" instead of "refusal to issue an apology"). As this was many years ago I hope you'll forgive me for any errors I make in reciting the specifics and accept my proactive edits in the spirit in which they're made. My only point in bringing this case up was to note it was an isolated incident from several years ago that should not be used as indicative of a pattern of behavior and I appreciate you saying you think it can be forgotten.

With respect to the current matter, all I can do is specifically identify each of my transgressions as an exhibition of my awareness of the problem, and then make an apology for each with the pledge I will not repeat that behavior. I, ultimately, hope that they are judged as less severe than meriting my permanent termination from WP. I have been on WP for six years and been blocked on two occasions, most recently for 60 hours. I feel applying an indef for a transgression of the current nature is a "zero to 55" block, but will respect whatever the ultimate outcome. BlueSalix (talk) 19:08, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Quick note

Hi BlueSalix. I disagreed strongly with you regarding the David Dao article. I think you made an error of judgement in both creating the article but also of course your reaction towards the deletion nomination. It is pretty clear the community as a whole disagreed with you. I'm not saying I disagree with the decision but I am sorry to see you blocked indefinitely because it's always a shame when we lose editors. I'm not an admin nor an expert but I think you need to take a step back, breathe and think about the way forward. Understandably, it seems very unlikely your block will be lifted at the moment. So I think it'd be best to disengage from battling about it now. But blocks are preventative, not punitive and indefinite does not mean forever. I don't know if you know about the standard offer but that seems like something to think about, as does mentorship with a more experienced editor. Your userpage shows you have done some valuable work here and you do have good goals which I share such as tackling unnecessary anglocentrism in articles. Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide. AusLondonder (talk) 23:18, 12 April 2017 (UTC)