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Shirly Brener

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Fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. A search on the web threw up nothing much for this person. The tone is highly promotional and full of phrases such as "She quickly became a household name" " She has completed dozens of projects working with a slew of A list actors" "Shirly and her family, hubby Bruce" "Responsible for the much talked about comeback of Comedian Andrew Dice Clay" "Shirly was always destined to business savvy and success" "Brener is committed to the art world and her hubby’s career and is often a fixture at galleries and museums local and international." "The artistic happy family resides in the Hollywood Hills in a gorgeous home" "Brener has graced covers, fashion shoots and editorial". Nothing is supported by in-line citations. The filmography is a mix of bit roles (blond ambition, employee of the month) non notable films (hit list) and adr work (GI Joe). The article is full of "worked with (notable actors)" and unsupported claims such as "Recruited by MTV to host the popular teen dating show Singled Out". Domdeparis (talk) 11:17, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:36, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:37, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:37, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

• Weak Keep - She passes GNG (and I believe NACTOR - though I usually stay out of acting) on the Hebrew sourcing e.g. google news in Hebrew- [1].Icewhiz (talk) 12:08, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

I've had a look at the sources and it seems difficult to judge whether they are reliable or not. If the decision is keep then this article needs to be totally rewritten to remove the promo fluff or stubified. I really don't think she meets WP:NACTOR as there is no proof that she has had "significant roles" or has a large fan base or has made "unique, prolific or innovative contributions" to acting. Domdeparis (talk) 13:40, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Much of it is "gossipy" - but that is typical with celebrities - however it is in fairly reliable outlets (e.g. Maariv, Ynet, Channel 10, Channel 2, etc. - which are good sources in general). I don't think she would've been notable as an American actress with the roles she played in the states. She has however been covered widely in the Israeli press for those roles / her life (motivated by parochial "see the Israeli success story" motivation), as well as being in some more significant roles in Israeli productions.Icewhiz (talk) 06:18, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

• Delete -- an overly promotional article on an actor / producer of unclear notability. The article tries too hard and has an appearance of having been written by someone with a close connection to the subject. Sample copy includes:

• ...She has completed dozens of projects working with a slew of A list actors and directors such as alongside Robert De Niro and Al Pacino in Righteous Kill directed by Jon Avnet for Overture, Sharon Stone and Val Kilmer in Streets of Blood, directed by Charles Winkler and produced by Irwin Winkler - one of the highest grossing video/DVD of all times. Jessica Simpson and Dane Cook in Employee of the Month, for Lions Gate Entertainment, John Cusack and Hilary Duff in War Inc., Aaron Eckhart..." This goes on and on.

Notability is not inherited from the notable movies and filmmakers, and it appears that there's nothing else there. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:50, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't know how I got here, but take it from a random internet man: This article was paid for or created by a giant narcissist. 2602:30A:2E6F:8E20:C060:AA3E:D40:1D0E (talk) 03:17, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, A Train^talk 08:35, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

• Keep as passing the GNG. I looked into it myself and Icewhiz's analysis is above is basically correct, including the downsides of the coverage. gidonb (talk) 00:10, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:27, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

• Delete an overly promotional article and without any clear indication of roles meeting notability requirements for actresses.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:34, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
• Delete. PROMO/CV Agricola44 (talk) 17:12, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
• Keep. As an Israeli I would keep just because of her non trivial Israeli acting career (admittedly hard to find if you aren't a Hebrew speaker). Add the US resume and she is certainly notable in my POV. DGtal (talk) 21:18, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
• Keep meet GNG Lifeisstudyinghard (talk) 14:19, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Would you mind expanding on that? I see that for the moment your only contributions to Wikipedia are to !vote on AFD s so I want to be sure that you understand what GNG really means. Domdeparis (talk) 15:38, 22 October 2017 (UTC)