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New one

Here's one for dishes that use various or several types of meat. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:04, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

It's a great one! A bit of a list, a bit of a list of lists, and it may even become a bit of an outline. Well done, my friend. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:16, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

RfA

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Thanks for supporting my run for administrator. I am honored and grateful. ) Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:26, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much, AF. I really appreciate your support, and hope that we can meet in real life some day, so that I can collect on that Daquiri offer. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it`

You are most welcome, my friend. And yes, to sit down with you and enjoy a fine daiquiri would be fantastic. I do hope we can do that. Happy mopping (or "mappy hopping" if you've had one too many daiquiris)!

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:16, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

My favorite mistake of that type is a "cough of cuppy". :-) StuRat (talk) 00:40, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Mmmmmm, sounds good....best served with a "crash of deam". :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:44, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

LPU

The lpu socks are back and stronger than ever! Even after other editors reverted their work, they seem to be unfazed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/792378938 King Kunta (talk) 05:40, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi King Kunta. I see no behavioural evidence to tie Simons47 to any of the other blocked editors working on that article. He could be a meatpuppet, though. I see one of his edits to LPU being unsourced, promotional, and unencyclopedic, but that is all. Anyhow, feel free to warn him for any inappropriate edits.

Considering the amount of certain sock/promo edits in the past month, I may soon protect the article. It is a last resort. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:13, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

i have just added the affilation and approval of orghanization why you have not added 07:42, 27 July 2017 User talk:Simons47

Hi User:Simons47. Is editing here part of your job? Are you being compensated in any way for improving articles here? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:05, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

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For the record. Deleted by me because company's new logo now in use. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:43, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

The sauce is the boss

Any Chinese garlic sauces missing from the new article? North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:56, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Another fine one, my friend! The difference between then and now in terms of Wikipedia's food coverage is astonishing. So, garlic sauces here? I guess there are jarred ones where the main ingredient is garlic. I will check. Pretty much all sauces have garlic in them in China. Always the same: ginger, garlic, soy sauce. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:33, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

I was surprised that an article didn't exist for this before. No way, not all sauces in China have garlic! North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:36, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

...such as soy sauce, right?!

North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:42, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Soy sauce is loaded with garlic and ginger. It doesn't even contain soy. That's a myth.

And "No way, not all sauces in China have garlic!"?? They do! All sauces must have ginger, garlic, soy sauce. It's the law! See at Chinese cuisine where it says, and I quote: "All sauces must have ginger, garlic, soy sauce. It's the law!" That's a direct quote! Seriously, I was just at that article to find 'garbage sticks', a breakfast dish because I can't remember the Chinese name. Guess what? Only one occurrence of the word "breakfast". Odd. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:45, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Before I respond to the above, check out the new List of Chinese sauces I just created. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:46, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Okay, that's eerily fast. :) The lead needs fixing. It should read "...This is a list of notable Chinese sauces. Many types of sauces are used in Chinese cuisine and all must have ginger, garlic, soy sauce. It's the law!..." Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:51, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Instead of garbage sticks, I want Crab in oyster sauce. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:53, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

I changed the lead to "... encompassing sauces that originated in China or are widely used in Chinese cuisine"... North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:57, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Check out Red cooking; I don't recall ever seeing this article before. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:00, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

So weird. I just ate Crab in oyster sauce two nights ago at this new seafood market here (old sat. photo while under construction). I will probably write an article about it. That long strip is a market selling hundreds of kinds of live seafood. Surrounding are dozens of restaurants. A worker from the restaurant you pick accompanies you to buy the stuff. They cook it and serve it to you at their restaurant. You pay the market and a fee to the restaurant. They even have Maine lobster. A little pricey at 40 USD a pound, but a nice treat. Haikou is coming along. Check the birth of the 95-storey Haikou Tower. I just uploaded that pic. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:05, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

I remember Red cooking from a Rick Stein episode. I think there is often tons of horrible whole Sichuan pepper. Bite into one and your whole mouth goes numb an all you can taste is Sichuan pepper for the rest of the meal and onward. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:07, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Re: "that's eerily fast" I just wanted to create the article before you did... ha. Actually, the notion just became apparent per discussion here on your talk page. Re: Crab in oyster sauce, maybe I'm psychic? Nah. Just coincidence. When places cook lobster, I wish they would put the lobster out of its misery before cooking it, rather than boiling or steaming it while it is still alive. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:11, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Some peppers are just too hot; I don't understand how people can even eat some of them...bleh! North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:12, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree. They should clonk them over the head first.

Sichuan pepper isn't hot at all. Just numbing.

For hot, we have Hainan yellow lantern chili. Like scotch bonnet. (My photos.) :)

Ah, Youtiao, literally "oil stick", known to me as "garbage stick". :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:15, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

That makes sense. Nothing about garbage sticks as food in searches... North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:26, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Very unhealthy stuff. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:29, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Probably good for a hangover, which I have a bit of today, after going out last night... Hey, see the new Hangover food article just created... North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:36, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Sure enough, Youtiao is a hangover food (source). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:39, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Nice! :) And where is the article on Cola Chicken? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:42, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Cola Chicken is notable, per book searches... North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:03, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Totally notable. I'm not starting food articles. You ought to start it. Also, there is a photo at commons. If you don't like that one, make the dish and take a pic. It's quite tasty. The vast amount of salt and sugar cancel each other out. So it is delicious while being deadly. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:15, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Works for me – Cola chicken created. It's a start. So, I have to ask, because I'm nosy, what's up with "I'm not starting food articles". Burnout? North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:52, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

No more food articles, but Restraint chairs?!

North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:30, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

You're not being nosy by asking. That's okay. Well, I just don't create a lot of articles these days, so food ones get bumped down. I started Restraint chair because I saw it in the news and felt it really needed creating. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:40, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi North America. What do you think of that Pizza Corner mention in the China pizza article? Former? Merged with that other brand? It conflicts with the main article and the main article lead conflicts with the main article sections. I'm lost. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:43, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're getting at. The pizza in China (PIC) article is based upon what reliable sources state, and the Pizza Corner article also states that it was acquired by Papa John's Pizza. I added the words "by the Indian subsidiary of" to the PIC article. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:09, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

We have "...Pizza Corner is a former pizzeria franchise chain that had a presence in China..." at Pizza in China "...Pizza Corner was an international franchise of pizzeria chains that offers a wide range..." "offers" present tense at Pizza Corner. Also at Pizza Corner further down is "...Pizza Corners in Bangladesh serve a...Pizza Corner's operations in China are concentrated on the tourist-friendly Hainan Island..."

So, does it exist in China or elsewhere? When it was absorbed into the Indian subsidiary of Papa John's Pizza and existing restaurants were converted to Papa John's Pizza outlets, does that mean Papa John sells pizza corner pizza or is it now the same pizza sold as Papa John's pizza? I'm confused. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:44, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't know. A lot of the sources I am finding are dated. The Hindu article from 2014 states that Papa John’s acquired it, but I'm not finding up-to-date sources about whether or not the stores were actually converted, signage changed, etc. The Hindu source does state, "As part of the acquisition, Papa John’s will convert the existing Pizza Corner stores to Papa John’s branded restaurants through first quarter of 2015.", so perhaps this has already occurred. Again, not finding much else to further verify if this all occurred or not. Per all of this, I added an {{update}} template to the Pizza Corner article moments ago. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:56, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Regarding the message you just left on my talk page, I would prefer to discuss this via email only. Please email me if you want, and then place the {{You've got mail}} template on my talk page (I don't check email regularly, so the template helps out a lot). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:39, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Pizza: Hmmmmmm, we may never know. :) Thanks for digging, though.

Other: Okay. :)

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:44, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Image - My Own Work

Hey Anna I hope you are well. I am reaching out to you today because I uploaded this image of me playing basketball https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sanjev_Rajaram_Assist.gif that my friend filmed for me using my phone. A wikimedia user raised the question of copyright but as far as all laws go this is my own work since technically I commisioned my friend Keith (work for hire) to film it for me so therefore it is mine. This issue I addressed here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Poyekhali/Archive4#Copyright yet they have not responded and my friend even sent them an email. I am getting irritated by this because there was no need for an OTRS ticket. Poyekhali has an Wikipedia account so he can join the discussion and address this :@Poyekhali: --Have a great day , Sanjev Rajaram (talk) 15:33, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Sanjev Rajaram. I see the OTRS template now, so I guess this is all settled. Please let me know if there is still a problem. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:48, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

The issue is that it doesn't need an OTRS ticket as it is completely my own work I want to get that ticket removed because it was made on a false premise. I own the rights to the image they got it mistaken. I want the OTRS ticket removed and it just to say that it's my own work that I released so I get credit fully for my own work. --Have a great day , Sanjev Rajaram (talk) 23:25, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

The photo is not your own work because you didn't recorded the video. It is your friend's work, not yours. You just allegedly (because the OTRS ticket is not yet verified) hold the copyright since it is a work of hire, or the copyright is transferred to you. And in cases like this, an OTRS ticket is required to confirm that your friend really agreed to transfer the copyright of the video to you. If no response has been received, then I believe that's due to the understaffing of the OTRS, that's why I apologize for that inconvenience. I really hope there would be an alternative and faster solution than the OTRS, if there would be... Poyekhali (talk) 10:11, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Ah; so you want the OTRS template removed? You wouldn't do that. By removing the OTRS template and claiming that the gif is your own work, you would contradict yourself, which would confuse our re-users. If Commons would be following your logic, we will be overrun by license launderers who would just claim that the photo is a "work for hire", "the copyright is transferred to theirs", "I have the permission to license this image", blah blah blah. I will fix the description of the gif. Poyekhali (talk) 10:37, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm just off to bed, but will read this thoroughly tomorrow. For now, let's assume good faith. I have personally received images from people, friends, family, etc., and have taken ownership of them because they have said "Here, I took this for you because you asked me to." I uploaded them as my own property or work because I was the owner at that time of uploading. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:54, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) If I may comment, as I have some knowledge in this area vis-a-vis:Wikipedia. As soon as a photo is snapped, the photographer owns the copyright and retains it unless they transfer ownership. As we learned from the Monkey selfie, it doesn't matter if the photographer owns the equipment they used to take the pic, the copyright goes to the photog. Oddly, transferring ownership is more in-depth than establishing the initial copyright. If it is a work for hire stipulating transfer of copyright, then when they deliver on their contract, the copyright is then transferred. A verbal "take my picture" is rather hard to confirm as a work-for-hire-with-transfer. Crow^Caw 23:12, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

@Poyekhali: :@Crow:Hard to confirm for you but not for me. So take your pick what do you want? Keith to go on video to transfer ownership to me? or would you like a paper contract? or Do you want the email exchange? Or do want me and him to send you a voicemail? How would you like it? Or maybe you want me to take a selfie with him giving me my phone and hashtag #itsallyoursnowSanjev I can get it done anyway you want so tell me. He emailed the OTRS ticket and the volunteers don't seem to respond very fast. How annoying I'm thinking of having someone delete it and just reupload another video of me making a shot. You two are really irritating me and making this way harder than this needs to be, if you keep denying me the proper credit for what is rightfully mine then I might stop donating to the Wikimedia Foundation and I'm quite a frequent donor (I have proof of that of you need it too) I'll tell Jimmy Wales this is the SOLE reason I cancelled my frequent donations, THE SOLE REASON. The only one who has been reasonable in all of this is Anna and I thank you for that --Have a great day , Sanjev Rajaram (talk) 02:58, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Sanjev_Rajaram and others. The OTRS ticket says "...Wikimedia has received an e-mail confirming that the copyright holder has approved publication under the terms mentioned on this page..." so that means that image is fine.

Sanjev, next time, to prevent this, just say to your friend "...Is this now my property? Sure? A gift to me? Double sure? Good! Thanks for pressing the button. Shall I put you as author? Okay. Settled. Let's go play basketball..." and that procedure will prevent this from happening again.

Others who were worried about this basketball video, please, let's just use common sense and not go overboard over something that is almost certainly not in the category of Yousuf Karsh's best photo of Fidel Castro being uploaded by someone else as own work.

Remember what OTRS basically says: "...I am the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of this media work..." In this case, is Sanjev the creator? No. Is he the sole owner? Yes. He asked his friend to make it for him, so he is now the owner and I think his friend understands that. Let's assume Sanjev is not lying. Making him get his friend to email OTRS in these circumstances is a bit much. I understand why Sanjev is upset.

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:38, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Long response

Hi Crow, Poyekhali, and Sanjev Rajaram. I think this is all about using common sense in each case.

For the record:

If a person, per request, emails me a photo for their article, I will upload it on their behalf with their name as the author. I will ask that they send in an OTRS. Please feel free to dig through my uploads to be sure I have done that.

Now, this is about basic common sense and likelihood of violating someone's rights.

A: Someone has been at Wikipedia for a decade, 200,000 edits, admin, huge Featured Article creator. A family member or personal friend snaps a photo gifts it to them. They say "I do not want credit. Do not put my name on it. Put your name on it. This is now your property. No signed papers. You now own it. That's that." They upload it with their name as author instead of the button-pusher. Fine by me. If someone wants to make a fuss and say they should put "unknown" or something as author, okay. But what's the chance that they are lying and if the cameraperson knew, they would be livid? Teensy.

B: Someone arrives and first thing is an upload of a professional photo of Gary Larson with source "User:I just registered two seconds ago", author "own work"? What's the chance that they are not the author and owner and if the cameraperson knew, they would be livid? Huge.

Case by case. Common sense. Please say if I'm getting this wrong so I can adjust my beliefs.

So, about the original poster: It sounds to me like he said to his friend "Film me playing basketball." Maybe he didn't say "This video becomes my property, right?" Maybe he should have. The chance that his friend will be livid feel his uploader friend broke the law and such? Pretty darn small. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:08, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Email

Hello, Anna Frodesiak. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:53, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Wealth template

Frankly I'm surprised to get an immediate response. I was expecting to take a Wikibreak and come back to an empty thread. Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 18:32, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi S. Rich. I know what you mean. Template talk page posts aren't watched that well. It is on my list because I started it way back when. Thanks for your interest in improving the name.

Stalkers are encouraged to head over to Template talk:Extreme wealth and give their views.

Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:58, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Ah, I remember you now. You brought up this issue a couple of years ago. I remember you saying something about capitalism being a great thing that doesn't end in tears. You don't still believe that do you?

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:03, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Civility Barnstar
	Thanks) Benniejets (talk) 07:42, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:42, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

"of v a n d a l i s m" LTA

I really think we should be denying and not tagging. It's fairly obvious who they are and imo don't need the history tagging provides. Thoughts? CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 12:41, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Good point. I agree. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:46, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Image Deletion Request

Hey Anna it's Sanjev. I was just requesting to have this image deleted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trezor_Wallet-_Hardware_(Cold_Storage).jpg . The metadata is a little too revealing on certain private details. Could you please delete it? I'm gonna upload a better verison later. --Have a great day , Sanjev Rajaram (talk) 04:18, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Passing WP:GNG - Page: C. Anandharamakrishnan

I am not clear with your comment. Please can you clarify. Does it mean that the name is not familiar? Please try: https://www.bing.com/search?q=anandharamakrishnan+c&qs=n&form=QBLH&sp=-1&pq=anandharamakrishnan+c&sc=5-20&sk=&cvid=B4F419F52E214C64B7323589E05239CD

Do let me know. Thanks. Sysadmen (talk) 12:33, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Sysadmen. Yes, please read WP:GNG to learn more about that. I nominated it for deletion because I could find lots of things he has written, but no good sources that discuss him in any detail. However, it seems one editor believes he is notable because, as a Fellow of the Royal Society of Chemistry, that is enough to satisfy WP:NACADEMIC. That is good news! I do hope the article is kept. Best wishes. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:58, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

By the way, do you own the rights to that photo you uploaded? I mean, how is it your own work? Did you take the picture, or where did you get it from? Best wishes. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:00, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Sysadmen (talk) 06:53, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Anna Frodesiak, Thanks for your clarifications. With reference to [WP:GNG], i am still not clear on the type of source you are looking for, which describes the details of subject. Can you please give me an example or reference, so that i can search in that sense and give relevant information. I believe that the sources given so far are passing the general guidelines under [WP:GNG].

The uploaded photograph was taken by me.

Sysadmen (talk) 06:53, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Sysadmen. Sorry for the late reply. First, the article is likely to be kept and not deleted. That's the good news. About sources, I am the wrong person to ask considering I really couldn't find any. I am in China where Google is blocked, so I am stuck with poor search engines. Please ask at Wikipedia:Help desk. Best wishes. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:17, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Investment

Hey there! Im currently rebuilding the WikiProject Investment.

I already am pretty much finished with updating the project page.Take a look at it. Ping me if you want to help! Thanks. WikiEditCrunch (talk) 21:58, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

I'd like to invite you to join the Investment WikiProject. There are a lot of Investment related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help get this project off the ground and a few Investment pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks!

Cheese

Cheese, cheese and more cheese. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:08, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

It's great! I read the first line, looked at the pictures, then had to go out and buy some stretchy cheese. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:02, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

More cheese. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:40, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Another dandy, my friend. I'm guessing you really like cheese, eh? :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:21, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Sure, because cheese is cheese, and as cheese, it's a cheesy question to ask if I like cheese, because everyone likes cheese! (joking). Cheese! North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:39, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Pure cheese! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:27, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for my cheesy response. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:26, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

No apolocheese necessary. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:59, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Nice one!

North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:53, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

A new one. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:00, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

One that's about cheese here. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:18, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Very nice indeed, my friend! (And sorry for the late reply.) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:00, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Complaint against a user

MezzoMezzo tends to always erase my edits on Ahmed Raza Khan on English wikipedia. He coomments that i am trying to push my POV but instead his POV which he is enforcing. I am writing for years on Ahmed Raza Khan in text. Despite this I am in direct contact with the family members of Ahmed Raza Khan. I recently shared my edits with him concern it's authenticity which I was assured. Also I have various books written by different authors on biography of Ahmed Raza Khan. Secondly I noticed MezzoMezzo doesn't have knowledge regarding Sufism and Ahmed Raza Khan was a Sufi. Actually Islam is currently divided mainly into the Sufi and the orthodox sect. It may be that the user belong to the other group therefore he tries to edit it on POV and it may be merely his illiteracy on the topic. In both the cases he should leave poking in this topic. If you want I could show you my large collection on books written on him and I also have in connection with many PhD candidate in thesis on Ahmed Raza Khan. After so much details I hope I was able to give you my concern over this. In such type of articles the users with more information about the topic only should be granted access to edit it. I wish if for some time the topic should be sealed for MezzoMezzo and when I am completely done with all my edits you take responsibility of checking it's authenticity and POV pushing. Thanks Saudmujadidi (talk) 07:07, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Saudmujadidi. You must feel very frustrated. It sounds like you really know the subject.

As an administrator, I must not get involved in content disputes. My job is to help things go smoothly and prevent disruption. So, the best advice I can give is this:

First, be patient and resist any urge to edit war. Then use BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. It is really helpful. (It is important to understand which version of the article is the last stable version, or which content has been there for a long time.)

Use the article talk page and present your views. Others can join the discussion and consensus can be gained. If you are having trouble agreeing with the editor(s) in question, then seek to gain the support of others in the discussion. If most agree, then that may constitute rough consensus and be adequate to make the changes in the article that you wish.

I hope this guidance has been helpful. If things get out of hand, please write here again and let me know.

My very best wishes,

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:03, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

@Saudmujadidi: Just take a look, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia:Single-purpose account, Wikipedia:Canvassing, WP:FAMILY, WP:MTPPT, WP:SOCKING, Wikipedia:Respect privacy, Wikipedia:Oversight, WP:BULLY. 72.52.87.49 (talk) 09:10, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

User:Shiwam Sriwastawa

Howdy Anna! I see that you have tagged Shiwam Sriwastawa (contribs) as proven sock puppet, but it looks like this user hasn't actually been blocked. Could you double check? Thanks. -★- PlyrStar93. _{→Message me. 🖉←} 15:19, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi PlyrStar93. That is the second time I've missed one. I use a gadget that displays blocked users as strikethrough italics and was sure the user in question appeared that way. I guess I was wrong. Thanks for catching that. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:58, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

User:Gauravsinghmpi

Sadly, following User talk:Anna_Frodesiak/archive51#User:Gauravsinghmpi, the user has returned from block and in his first edit repeated his same edit. Probably WP:NOTHERE. I also reported on WP:AIV but since you were the blocking admin, I thought I'd let you know. --Muhandes (talk) 19:20, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Muhandes. I've given a final warning. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:47, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. --Muhandes (talk) 11:01, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Jamastation (talk) 22:08, 10 September 2017 (UTC)== Hello ==

From Jamastation

Hi,

I'm new to the wikipedia community and have been told you have left a message on my talk page. I cannot see the message, could you help me find it? :)

Thank you!

Hello User:Jamastation, and welcome! Actually, what you see on your talk page is the message. If you need help, please ask. I am here. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:59, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamastation (talk • contribs) 04:14, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Copyright issue

Hey hows it going i noticed you removed my page due to a copyright issue however i am the owner of the company so its not a copyright at all just wanted to clarify! Thanks so much! Wisec (talk) 19:42, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

(by talk page stalker) @Wisec: You are incorrect. When you edit, you'll notice a statement at the bottom below the edit window that says "By saving changes, you agree to the Terms of Use, and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL." You cannot post content here as "creative commons" when you assert ownership of those words elsewhere. Further, you probably failed to identify yourself as the original writer of the content. Please do not deign to tell us what the copyright issues are. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:46, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Wisec. Yes, Chris troutman has the facts right. This is for your protection and ours because we cannot be sure the Wisec account is really operated by the text author. Thanks for your understanding. If there is anything you ever need or have any further questions, please ask. Thank you, and happy editing. 03:47, 15 September 2017 (UTC)Anna Frodesiak (talk)

Bicentennial Lighthouse

Hi. I've been looking for additional sources regarding Bicentennial Lighthouse and I couldn't find it on any of the reliable sources for lights (like AHRLS, NGA, rowlett). Looking where it is located, I'm not really surprised, it's in the center of Argentina. Is this really a lighthouse (as in navigational aid) at all or just a structure? --Muhandes (talk) 11:17, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure, Muhandes. Sorry for the late reply. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:40, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

It appears to be around 700km from the sea, though. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:43, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Alight, I'll update it. I noticed the Spanish article also never says it is a lighthouse. --Muhandes (talk) 07:35, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Muhandes. And sorry again to be out of touch. I have some off-wiki matters that are keeping me busy. Cheers. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:44, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Request to unblock user BenPhotos

Hi Anna,

I hope this message finds you doing well. I am sending you this today to request the unblocking of my user BenPhotos, which you blocked during August 2016. During that time of me editing pages for laughs, I was unaware of the possibility of being blocked (apparently my email wasn't ever set up and I never saw the notifications of a possible ban until it was way too late, I have added it to my signature so you can contact me there as well). I am in college now and still wish to contribute photos of pro athletes in the manner I was before the ban. I deeply regret my childish edits and sincerely apologize for the inconvenience it might've caused you. It won't ever happen again. I have learned from my mistakes and I just want to be able to share my photos in the public domain on a platform as widely used and spectacular as Wikipedia.

I hope you can please accept my apology and remove the ban so I can add value once again.

Thank you, Ben (BenPhotos)

I see you already have an unblock request in. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:11, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

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Blocked in China

Several times you have mentioned that certain sources are blocked in China. Have you tried Tor (anonymity network)? I think that the Tor browser (available at [ https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en ]) might allow you to access those sites. --Guy Macon (talk) 01:17, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Guy Macon. Thank you kindly for the suggestion. Last I checked, it didn't work here. Plus, it would be against the law in China. Many thanks, though. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:20, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Overzealous fan club egging-on others after I disengaged unfair, or did I earn this attention?

Per usual, I upset other Wikipedians in the course of doing business. I don't mind but they do, apparently. Then I find the head of my fan club spreading the word about how well-liked I am on Wikipedia. I don't care what other editors do but I question if this is the sort of thing we expect from admins. I'm asking you because I don't generally interact with you and I honestly want an outside opinion. Am I wrong? I thought I had disengaged from this. I'm pinging @Callanecc: for a third opinion. If you'd rather not get involved, feel free to just delete my comment. Chris Troutman (talk) 10:26, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Chris. A bit of a tricky one to comment on. I hope it's okay if I stay out of it. I'm sorry. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:33, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Vandalism from New Users

Please understand I am a new user who just started a few hours ago. I am sorry for my vandalism and will not happen again. In fact, I just learned about the sandbox function, where I can do fun stuff without messing with public resources.

I understand. Okay. I encourage you to help build the encyclopedia. Thank you, and happy editing. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:32, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Turtles

I have a question. Do you like turtles? I like turtles. Turtles are fascinating creatures. Did you know that turtles are ‘amniotes’ – they breathe air and lay their eggs on land, although many species live in or around water? I think turtles are cool. I hope you like turtles. Warriorfish (talk) 21:37, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

I do like them. See Trachemys and other pages. Consider starting an article about one.

Here are some important things to read about:

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:11, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the articles. Now I know more about turtles than ever. Unfortunately, there is already an article about turtles.

Warriorfish (talk) 21:36, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

See the red links, Warriorfish? Those are species needing articles. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:37, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't see any red links. Can you guide me? Warriorfish (talk) 21:40, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Well, Warriorfish, Trachemys has red links but is a bad example because the red links seem to be sub-species. Better is Malayemys. The species Malayemys khoratensis needs an article and there is even an image here. Let me know if you need help. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:08, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, that clarifies my confusion. Warriorfish (talk) 22:18, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Well you are very welcome! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warriorfish (talk • contribs) 22:52, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Bomb joke

Today, I learned what a "bomb joke" is, and it turns out that this page does not exist on Wikipedia! As a new user, I want to make a new page, but I'm still learning. Do you have any advice/knowledge/help that I can use to help me make a page? Thanks. WarriorFISH (talk) 23:45, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

(by talk page stalker) @Warriorfish: Please read our guidance about neologisms. Writing new articles isn't often helpful on Wikipedia, so you might start out with copyediting. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:54, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

However, the term has been around for a while, I think, and I think it is used in reference to what not to say at airports. Maybe, WarriorFISH, it could use a bit of research for good sources before deciding yes or no.

I started here by making tons and tons of articles. So, that's not necessarily a bad plan. Plus, I suggested it to you.

Consider starting one of these articles:

Wikipedia:Requested articles/Images

Why? Because they are certainly notable, so there wouldn't be any heartbreak of making something that gets deleted. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:25, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thank you for adding that box on my page. Thank you for being one of the few good people in this world. WarriorFISH (talk) 01:35, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. :)

Actually, there are more than a few good people here in Wikiworld. This is a great community that is fair and open, unlike the real world which is full of trickery and cover-ups.

So, I hope you find a home here. It is a good home. Sure, some areas are a bit messy. Sure, a few rooms are on fire from time to time. And okay, there are some residents who are completely bananas and insist on decorating rooms with the strangest rubbish. And there are a few baddies who just try to smash the place up. And, well, actually this place is nuts. What am I doing here? Oh, right, the world outside Wikipedia is worse. :) Seriously, this is a great place with a few flaws, but still great. I hope you stay. There's lots to do: start articles, add content to existing articles, fight vandalism, catch sockpuppets, dig up sources, add images, tons...

If there is anything you ever need or have any questions, please ask. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:54, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm happy to hear that Wikipedia has lots nice people like you. I have decided to fight vandalism and sock puppetry and stop all disruptors, along with some editing. I will devote my life on Wikipedia to this cause, and I plan to be an admin one day, so I can easily stop troublemakers. I believe one day, the world will be a peaceful place, so why not start at Wikipedia, which gets viewed by so many every day? Hopefully, developers will be able to stop ALL trouble on Wikipedia, as well as other problems with Wikipedia, but for now, people like you (not specifically you) and me have to volunteer to stop the poltergeists that lie among us. Maybe, after many years, I will be an admin, and in even more years, my work will be done here and Wikipedia can be a fun, safe educational place for all people.

As soon as I get a mentor, I will start learning how to protect Wikipedia, and see how to stop bad users from vandalizing and find sock puppets. As soon as I am ready, I will apply for an adminship (or someone will nominate me...) and I can protect Wikipedia to the best of my ability. I will also do some editing, but making pages and searching for information is simply not for me. Hopefully my intervention in the safety, civility and justice in Wikipedia will make a difference. WarriorFISH (talk) 02:31, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

You have the potential to be a very valuable asset. If you plan to be an admin in the future, here is sound advice: During your RfA, the community remembers any incivility in your past. Always be patient, understanding, civil, kind, and assume good faith. If you are those things, learn and work lots of different areas (very fun), and create some content, you ought to be approved easily. I am not particularly smart or brave, but did well in my RfA because I am considered kind and thoughtful. Be like an airline pilot. Seek solutions. Be calm and nice and patient. Never let yourself get upset. That is the winning way here. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:22, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Block

Hey Anna, this is the new account that I created after my block (Metalhead309). I would greatly appreciate it if you would unblock Metalhead309. If you would like confirmation that it's really me, leave me your email address on my talk page and I can email you the password. I plan on changing it immediately after the unblock anyway. Thanks, Met meg an slay 12:42, 13 October 2017 (UTC) Met meg an slay 12:42, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi slay. We do not have access to passwords to check anything. It is uncertain whether or not Metmeganslay is Metalhead309. Maybe the account was never compromised. Maybe a lot of things.

The Metalhead309 account must stay blocked. Besides, Metalhead309 has few edits. It is now considered to be a dead account. Metmeganslay, as far as we are concerned, is just a new account. Please, just start anew. Sorry it cannot be any other way. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:51, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

DYK for The Ex (target)

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Name Font

How do you add a special font and color to your name? It looks cool. Thanks, WarriorFISH (talk) 00:24, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Signatures. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:45, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Main Page Talk

Can you please review the "Adoption Banner" talk page section on Talk:Main Page? I would like to know when a decision will be made based on my request. Thanks, WarriorFISH (talk) 14:17, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Warriorfish's block

Hello, this is Warriorfish's brother, here to tell you that my brother was not the one to vandalize those pages (and was actually the work of my mischievous younger sister who has no clue about Wikipedia, who wanted to annoy my brother). Why isn't Warriorfish the one telling you ? Well, it looks like my younger sister has changed the password and forgot, so he is now locked out of his account. I am requesting that you unblock User:Warriorfish as he is not responsible for the edits and just as a favor, add on his userpage that his account is now dead (or something of that nature). Thanks and happy editing, Fish-Fish (talk) 22:32, 23 October 2017 (UTC) btw, my brother wanted you to know that he had a lot of respect for you as a fellow editor.

WP:CLEAN


	Hello Anna Frodesiak: You are invited to join WikiProject Cleanup, a WikiProject and resource for Wikipedia cleanup listings, information and discussion. To join the project, just add your name to the member list. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 09:33, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. :) ：） Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:06, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!

Happy Halloween!

Hello Anna Frodesiak:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
– North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:04, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Thank you!! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:06, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Boo. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:04, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

From Stirclash

Dear Anna,

The problem I have is the following. The reference list of the Peat article is/was a cite error, on reference [8]. One version of the reference contained "Cambridge, UK. 497p etc.", the second one was missing the "UK". I added the "UK", applied the mutation, both references now look the same, when you put the cursor on the 2 [8]'s in the text, in the read mode. In the edit mode the reference list looks as it should be. But in the read mode the big red Cite Error in the reference list is stil there. And what is even more strange, if I look at the history of my change, it states: "UK, Cambridge", wrong order! (I'm not that stupid :-)).

What did I do wrong?

Thanks! Anne Jelle (I'm male, in the Frisian language Anne is a male's name, Anna the female equivalent)

15:32, 27 October 2017‎ User talk:Stirclash

@Stirclash: Hi there Anne, I believe I fixed the problem for you. It seems as though you had two references under the same name, but with different content. Let me know if it looks right to you now, thanks! Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 01:03, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Drewmutt. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:07, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Deleting the Ref Desk

I saw your !vote: "Strongest oppose in the history of the known universe, even stronger than User:Snow Rise's oppose which is so mind-bendingly strong that it is hard to even measure". I'm shocked that I saw no opposition to deleting the Ref Desk in parallel universes ! :-) StuRat (talk) 01:35, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Hahahaha.

Hi StuRat. Nice of you to drop by.

Actually, do you know if anyone other than me suggested setting up this refdeskwiki ahead of time? I mean, that would make getting rid of it at wikipedia easy, plus there would be no gap and no risk that it would never get set up.

I don't know how I'd get on without the refdesk. You and others are so helpful. Look at the carbon steel thing for example. This is a great resource. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:33, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

There does seem to be a proposal to make the Ref Desk a separate wiki under the Wikimedia Foundation, like Wiktionary or Wikibooks. That sounds reasonable, but the problem is that if we get a few bad Admins there they could ruin the whole thing. Imagine, for example, if Medies became an Admin there and just started deleting all Q's she didn't like, as she attempts to do here. There's the old adage: "If it ain't broke, don't fix if", but I would elaborate: "If it isn't seriously broken, don't risk all the problems attempting a fix could cause". StuRat (talk) 02:42, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Well, I won't comment on Medies, but good points otherwise. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:36, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Acceptable?

Sorry to bother you. Your opinion (and, given your past involvement, input if you feel it would be appropriate and might help) would be much appreciated. I've tried to discuss with him, as have others, but he seems hell-bent on escalating. Thanks in anticipation.

210.187.205.198 (talk) 05:09, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

It's pretty laughable that you won't just make an account. I'm not sure if you are the same person as the other 3 IP accounts that have been made within the past 4 days and have been editing articles on roller coasters. When I see a user who made their first edit today, I assume that the user is inexperienced, which I do for you. I am not familiar with the whole different IP's for one person and even though it is apparently fine by Wikipedia rules, I don't like it. And why are you coming over to my talk page and asking a question when I wasn't the first editor to make that statement. Hawkeye75 (talk) 05:31, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Happy to continue existing discussions at User talk:Hawkeye75. Here is obviously not the appropriate place. 210.187.205.198 (talk) 05:40, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Plus on some edits you don't even know what your talking about, and you are acting like I need to rationalize my thoughts. For example, on this edit, you state that you are bolding a roller coaster term per WP:R#PLA. WP:R#PLA clearly states there is no reason to bold something if it's a minor subtopic of the article. Hawkeye75 (talk) 05:40, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Why would I want to continue discussions with you on my talk page, when you are the one that is starting this discussion on an admin's talk page. Go read the five pillars and learn to respect experienced editors. Hawkeye75 (talk) 05:43, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

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For the record, replaced by newer. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:55, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Trolling and personal attacks by user

Good afternoon. This user besides insisting on bombing Wikipedia with "controversies" with a "style" opposite to WP:POV (both parties in conflict are treated in the same proportion and the wording of the text remains equidistant) and does not show education during the discussion as here and here. As an administrator, I beg you to intervene, thank you.--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 19:50, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi there Dantetheperuvian. I've posted at his talk. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:01, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, but that user insist with attacks and revert.--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 21:35, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Anna, I appreciate your help, but I do not take part in edit wars, which does not imply deleting biased paragraphs based in biased "sources" and stop putting the POV template in an article which don't exist neutrality and impartiality according Wikipedia guidelines. I remind you that this kind of ads serve to improve that article according to these guidelines, it should not be interpreted as a final sentence.--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 19:17, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

There are better ways other than back and for reverting, even if you are right. Wim Kostrowicki's failure to observe BRD puts you in a strong position. Just push at FOOTY for everyone to agree to keep the content out per BRD. That should be easy. Please be patient. This should work out fine. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:09, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

In your links in FOOTY, miss this. Anyway, thanks.--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 21:26, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Added. Thanks. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:36, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Good evening, Anna. After the user Wim Kostrowicki exposed his intentions behind all this edit wars of here (an alleged "controversy" evidently focused on a version to suits conveniently to him), I point out that the discussion discusses their demands on both Wikipedia:FOOTY and Talk:Juventus F.C. are "dead" for a few days and there are not yet consensus. In private talk with 2 other users, some days ago, we had apparently agreed on an eventual procedure. Would I know if it's necessary wait for some additional time to proceed after contacting them to confirm this? Thank you.--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 01:36, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Dantetheperuvian. Private talk? On Wikipedia or off? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:44, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

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μηδείς (talk) 00:05, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

μηδείς, replied. Sorry for the delay. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:50, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Should respond in about 20 hrs or so. Check out Weaver Ants article hear at WP, have a feeling this is either an old weaver aunt nest, or the nest of a related species. μηδείς (talk) 05:16, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you kindly, μηδείς. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:47, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, I won't have much time on line for the next few days til after business Weds at least. I am having a bed delivered to my parent's home, have some paperwork to catch up on, a doctor's appt, need to get a passport, and just found out I may be going to South Africa this summer if I can play my cards right. μηδείς (talk) 05:09, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

No worries about a delay, μηδείς. Whenever you get to it. Tip the bed guys, fly through the paperwork, cough on your doctor, definitely get your passport and never leave it in your hotel room, and definitely enjoy S. Africa! If you do go, please, please get a photo of elephant meat from the market. I've been looking for one for the article for ages. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:43, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving

Happy Thanksgiving

A little early, but still...

Wishing you a day of celebration, relaxation, and happiness.

If you don't celebrate, pass this on to someone who does! -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:23, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Winkelvi!! :) :) Of course I have no idea when it is. In Canada it is at a different time and in China it is never. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:39, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Holy cow, I had no idea you weren't American (pretty arrogant for me to assume, I guess). That's what I get for trying to get a jump on the holiday greetings this year - last year, I only returned Wikipedia Christmas and New Year greetings to folks who had given them to me. This time, I wanted to make sure I sent holiday greetings folks in the community who had been quite decent to me during this rough year for me Wikipedia-wise. Guess it kinda backfired! Thanks for being kind in your response. I'll catch you again around Yuletide! :-) -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 14:08, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

No worries, my friend. But who is really American (or North American)? Maybe Native Americans are and we are longtime occupiers. Maybe they shouldn't wish themselves to be called Native Americans. After all, they didn't know Vespucci and Palestinians aren't "Native Israelis".

Anyhow, Thanksgiving in Canada is October and that's close enough. So, Happy Thanksgiving to you too as long as it is a celebration of whatever you are eating that day and not about wiping out millions of people and taking their stuff. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:27, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Does that mean you are from Canada, but living in China, Anna ? You have to love that pic of the little girl wishing the turkey Happy Thanksgiving. She apparently isn't clear on the concept yet. :-) StuRat (talk) 16:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello dear StuRat. Born in London, raised mostly in Canada, now in China.

The pic is clear. The girl is obviously giving the turkey the gift of a five-minute head start. The turkey is thankful and runs into the forest. The family then eats those bushells of produce for thanksgiving. They are thankful because they don't feel dreadful after. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:27, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes, after I eat a drumstick, I feel like I've had a percsussion. :-) StuRat (talk) 19:08, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Ooo, that's good, StuRat. Not bad at all.

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:57, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

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Happy turkey day

Thank you! And actually, "Most times are not turkey time (unless you are a boy turkey on a Friday night)." and also "Right after turkey time is definitely not turkey time and won't be again for a long time because turkey is basically quite gross." And frankly, turkey gravy is better than the turkey itself except that it is stone bloody cold because the gravy boat is the most stupidly designed object on earth. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:31, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Turkey loaf, eh? Actually, that might not be bad. 'Loaf' would be a good name for a band. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:41, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Well, the gravy is right out of a ketchup bottle, rather than a boat. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:00, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

See also: Meat Loaf. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:02, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Meat Loaf, yes, I saw him making meat loaf out of a few songs on John Oliver recently. What's happened to him? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:35, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Don't know, don't follow his career. Responding now because I had to go nigh-nigh. Well, I've been working on food articles lately, but sort of taking a semi-wikibreak. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:05, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

I don't follow his career either. Not my taste. I just regularly watch Last Week Tonight with John Oliver. Enjoy your break, my friend. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:11, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

That Oliver's a crazy cat. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:46, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

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Mr.Exicornt, that is an inappropriate post. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:19, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

He seems to make quite a few inappropriate posts. MPS1992 (talk) 12:25, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

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OK Anna, I got your point (at least part of it) and I am finished with the discussion on the Homecoming page. (I take you'll be equally dispensing your advice to others involved?) That aside, I do have a question, what do you mean by making other people not want to edit here? I saw no indication that he was threatening to leave the project. - ^theWOLFchild 22:42, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Thewolfchild. Thanks for communicating here.

I will try to dispense similar advice to others when I see a persistent, snarky manner.

As for your second point, editors often do not indicate that they are going to leave. One does not need direct evidence of that. Common sense and experience (personal experience too) is enough. Editors who have nasty interactions may withdraw from a discussion (I think it just happened to you at that talk page), or be put off Wikipedia in general. If they receive really unfair insults, they may just leave entirely.

Also, you want results, right? That's why you spend your energy here -- to get articles the way you want. So, fighting with the person who disagrees with you and hurling insults is one way. They dig in their heels and make a point of not compromising. Another way is to be nice as pie and win over observers. They side with you and your winning argument. Your adversary is left saying "Newman!".

Being nice is good for you, good for Wikipedia, lousy for your adversary. It is the winning way.

Aside: I wanted to say "bristle" along with "dig in their heels", you know how wolves get their back hair up. I went looking for it in articles. Do we have content on that?

Links: [5][6]

Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:29, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes, "You get more flies with honey than vinegar". Of course, you get even more flies by liberally spreading around the BS. :-) StuRat (talk) 23:45, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Of course, StuRat. But what happens when you spread around jam? You get wasps. So what is the lesson here? Obviously, that the word "wasps" really does sound stupid. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:03, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

And here I thought you spread around money to attracts WASPs. :-) StuRat (talk) 00:07, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

It is also good at repelling the San people because they think money and such things are horrid and still remember the coke bottle incident where one of their own got clunked on the head. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:13, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Rather than toss the bottle off the end of the world, I suggest tossing Trump, but first let that thing on his head run off to hibernate, since winter is coming. :-) StuRat (talk) 00:21, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

For a moment I thought you were talking about something else, but if you're not going there, then neither am I. Anyway, I appreciate the advice (this time), but I wish it were a little more evenly dispensed. There is another editor's behavior here that, at last check, was still disrupting that page with snarky, baiting, off-topic jabs after I had clearly left. Sometimes the actions (and inactions) of some of the admins here, while perhaps meaning to curb disruptive behavior, only seems to enable it. I know you're watching, just... try to broaden your field of view somewhat. Have a nice evening. - ^theWOLFchild 00:19, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you think I was talking about. The hair up/bristle thing was about article content. I thought you might know about that considering your username. I figured you like wolves.

As for dispensing, well, show me diffs with persistent snark and I will thank you and caution the editor. If you receive snark, please ask yourself if it's a tit-for-tat thing.

Just like real life, when two snarkers are snarking, people tend to not take sides. The best plan is to not dish it out, and then that leaves the sole snarker being snarky. When you appeal to observers nicley with your good points, the sole snarker's snark will act against him.

(I'm sorry for saying snark so many times.)

Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:58, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Well, the point was, you felt you needed to post some cautionary advice on my talk page. At least now you admit the other editor's behavior was equally of the sort (worse imo) that also needed to be cautioned, (but wasn't, thus the enabling). His contribs speak for themselves. Anyway, to dispel people of the notion that I think I'm either a "wolf" or a "child", I posted a userbox on my talk page explaining the origin of my username. It's from a song I liked when I was younger, that's all. While I find wolves interesting, just like many other animals, I have no particularly avid interest in them. Have a nice evening. - ^theWOLFchild 09:15, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough. Cheers. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:12, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Oh, saying it is just fine, as long as you don’t hunt for it—we’d hate to see you “softly and suddenly vanish away”.—Odysseus 1479 03:14, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

I hear Lewis Carroll snarked a lot of mushrooms before writing that poem. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:33, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Mubarak wealth

Hi - I hate getting reverted so I'm extra sensitive reverting others, especially when I've been working with them on an article. This edit you reverted appears to have been accurate, as far as the source says.[[7]] The link is broken unless it's 700. Crazy numbers but that's what you get when you loot a country for decades. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 02:33, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi timtempleton. I'm terribly sorry. I couldn't check the forbes ref because that site is blocked here in China. So, I found a BBC (I think it was) ref and it said 70 so I figured it was a bad edit. I've reverted myself and apologized to the IP. Thank you for catching that, my friend. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:29, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

No problem Anna Frodesiak - the source also points to a Washington Post article - can you read this one?[[8]]. Incidentally, that source says that some are questioning that number. How does one add a note to the source? If you ever get stuck and need to confirm a source, you can email me and I'll send you the article as a PDF. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 20:50, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi timtempleton. I'm not sure a source that is questioned should be used if it needs a note such as a disclaimer. Maybe it should be replaced with several sources all saying the same thing. Then again, their sources would likely all be the same. I don't know.

Thanks for the ref offer. I just might take you up on it. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:14, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

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You are invited to join the discussion at User talk:Northamerica1000 § Dessert carts and Voiture trolleys. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:06, 10 December 2017 (UTC)Template:Z48

Serving cart? North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:48, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

I like that. What a clever bunny you are, North America. Would you say it is a subset of food cart and distinguished as something used almost exclusively indoors? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:24, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Update: regarding discussion on my talk page, I posted a bit extensively there about Dessert carts and the concept of Voiture trolleys, the latter of which I nominated for deletion. Cleaning up my talk page, so see my latest archive page if you haven't read it already. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:05, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi North America. I'm so sorry to have neglected the discussion. Thank you so much for digging up those sources. I did think you'd notice the blue link. I should have let you know I stubbed it. Now that I have, I must say, I feel a bit daft for having done so. Do you really think it's a needed article? Should I move it into food cart and change that article's lead too help it fit there?

And thanks for that voiture AfD. I knew it was fiction. :) Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:10, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, a merge would probably work out nicely. I may not perform it, though. Go for it if you feel that will work out too. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:37, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Hold the presses, another user left a detailed message on the article's talk page about how it can be expanded; may be better to wait for a merge... North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:41, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Question/background regarding trivial information and disruptive editing

Hello, Anna! I have a couple questions regarding trivial information and disruptive editing. Just a bit of a background:

I have updated many pages over the last ten years with sources from radio industry website RadioInsight and its sister site Format Change Archive, which has airchecks of when radio stations change formats. Recently, however, whenever I've added some of these to different pages, user Vipersnake151 has quickly deleted them, claiming that they're not credible because he believes "they're blogs" and have "useless random trivia". While they appear to be user-generated content (which Wiki has rules regarding that), they do follow Wiki's guidelines on exceptions, particularly, "Self-published material may sometimes be acceptable when its author is an established expert whose work in the relevant field has been published by reliable third-party publications". The site's creators, Lance Venta, is a well-respected and knowledgeable person in the industry, and has worked in the media for decades; when he uses company press releases in his posts, they are cited and quoted word-for-word from their respective company. I have talked with user NeutralHomer about this last year, regarding a format change at CKQB-FM. Viper would delete the sites and also first/last songs that would be displayed in an aircheck, and would also claim that airchecks are considered copyright violations, which almost resulted in an edit war. In fact, here is his original conversation with me on my talk page:

"Unless the source absolutely notes something significant about the first/last song played in a format (i.e. a song by a local artist? And in some flips, how the station flipped also ends up being what gets talked about. See the WCBS-FM Don't Stop Belevin'/Sopranos/Jack FM thing), or it can be implied (the fact that CKOB's last song before switching to a format branded as Jump, was Jump, was pretty clever, but I think the Animals part is a little unnecessary.)

I also do not think that FormatChange site is a reliable source: it's practically a blog, plus there's an WP:COPYVIOEL issue with it too. ViperSnake151 Talk 04:34, 29 August 2016 (UTC)"

I did not respond to him, and I instead visited with semi-retired member NeutralHomer, and he would respond with this on Viper's talk page (dated 30 August 2016):

"Your revisions to the CKQB-FM page (and talk page posts) have been called to my attention, specifically this edit and this edit. Neither of these edits are "trivia" nor are they "original research". You also state here that you believe that FormatChange.com is a "practically a blog". What you believe to be a blog isn't necessary what the community believes to be one. FormatChange.com and it's sister sites Fybush.com and RadioInsight.com are highly reliable sources and are used on hundreds of pages. If you believe something to be unreliable, an edit war isn't the answer. Talking it out on the talk page is. You stated that FormatChange.com has a WP:COPYVIOEL issue. This is just silly. An aircheck is was recording of radio broadcast taken from an actual radio, not a webstream. An over-the-air radio broadcast can not be copyrighted. If there is a program, such as a newscast (CBS, Fox, etc.) or a sports broadcast (NFL, MLB, NCAA, etc.), then that can be copyrighted. But an aircheck of the launch of a new station or new format is not copyrightable. If you are in doubt when it comes to this, ask at WP:WPRS. We'll be glad to set you straight regarding anything radio and copyrights. When it comes to the CKQB-FM page, User:Alex jirgens's edits are properly sourced and I can see no issues with them. I advise you to re-read WP:OWN because I believe that's what you are doing here. I also advise you to ask before claiming certain sites are "blogs" or "original research" or even copyright violations. You are wrong on each of these. Slow down, take your time, don't edit war and read up on the rules. If you continue down the path you are on, you are likely to be on the business end of a block. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:17 on August 30, 2016 (UTC)"

Recently, on the KMPS-FM page (as well as others that have recently changed formats), ViperSnake151 has been at it again, deleting information like the last song on KMPS/first song on The Sound, and it is to the point where I believe he is doing disruptive editing (as to why, I'm not quite sure, though it could be because he has been called out on this before and he may be doing it to get back at me). He made note in a recent change that "there needs to be a consensus" regarding "trivial information" regarding first/last songs on a station.

Regarding trivial information, my reasoning behind this is that KMPS aired a country music format for 42 years (39 on FM, 3 on AM) in the Seattle market, and to see a station up and change formats suddenly is worth noting the last song under a heritage station. Also, the first song ("Hello" by Lionel Richie) is worth noting because it is the first song under a new format (and the title is relatable), and Lionel Richie is a core artist of said format.

Also, the general consensus of users who do research of a station's information are generally curious as to what was the first/last song on a station, and enhances the information. (While I may be biased in that I work in radio, it is generally understood and accepted to list them because some users do get attached to stations, some of which may have had an impact on their lives.)

To summarize, what do you make regarding of this issue?

(I do apologize if me describing all of this sounds a bit wordy. It's frustrating when you spend time editing an article, making sure information is properly sourced (and to get as many sources as possible), and then to have it all deleted. I don't want to ask for vandalizing protections, but I feel that something has to be done. I'm trying to follow the rules as closely as possible. I'm also trying to get several Wiki users (and an admin) involved in this as well to get general thoughts.)

Thanks, (Alex jirgens (talk) 02:10, 11 December 2017 (UTC))

That is an enormous amount of text and well in to WP:TLDR territory. I have no idea what this is about, but do not want to referee this dispute. Please take it to WP:DISPUTE RESOLUTION or elsewhere.

I see you've posted similar content here and on 19 November 2017 here.

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:22, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

My apologies. I can summarize it a bit shorter if you want me to. Thank you.

(Alex jirgens (talk) 02:26, 11 December 2017 (UTC))

Again, I think this would be best posted at WP:DISPUTE RESOLUTION and not simultaneously at various user talk pages. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:27, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

I hope you like coffee, if not then I can change it to tea. Everyone likes tea. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 13:23, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, The Quixotic Potato! I need it. However, I'm not aloud to have coffee. :) Kidding. My hands are okay now! Really! :) :) :) When I think of a word, my fingers hit all right quays. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:43, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

It's that time of the year...

Anna. No fancy template, but just wishing you all the best for the holidays and the new year. It's probably a lot warmer where I am than where you are 😎 Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:14, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello dear friend. No fancy template needed. Lovely to hear from you. I imagine it's 30C where you are. It's high 25C low 18 here. A bit of cool weather is a refreshing change from the maddening heat of the summer. Happy holidays and such to you and your loved ones!!!! :) :) :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:24, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you, Winkelvi. Happy holidays to you too! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:12, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you. A very happy holidays to you and everyone you love!!!!! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:30, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you! Enjoy the season and Happy holidays!! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:30, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you! Happy holidays to you and yours!!! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:30, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

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Winkelvi, thank you! I trust you too will have a wonderful new year! Best wishes, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:38, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

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Anna Frodesiak,
Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:11, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

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Hello, North America. Happy New Year and happy holidays and I hope you have a fine, wonderful new year!!!!

All my best,

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Good to see you're still on Wikipedia

I have just been at Wikipedia: Village pump (proposals) and see you had an entry there. Good to see you're still on Wikipedia - you may or may not remember you gave me a barnstar for an article on "List of Pastries". That was back in the days when I used to edit under the name ACEOREVIVED. I now edit under the name "Vorbee" - after a long period of absence, I got back on line again. Happy New Year to You!Vorbee (talk) 10:10, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Vorbee, nice to see you here as well. Happy New Year!!!!! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

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Request for review

Hi, I [put in] some information regarding a topic that received widespread attention, that is the killing of Juma the jaguar during the 2016 Summer Olympics in Brazil, with 2 references. Since this was quite notable, in that sense, I might spread the information to other related articles, but before doing that, I just want to clarify, that edit of mine did not break any rules, such as on WP:Copyright, am I right? Leo1pard (talk) 17:56, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Leo1pard. It looks fine to me and I do not see copyvios. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:19, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Easter Egg (Media)

Hello there. Unfortunately, editors have once again resorted to reverting my edit on this topic. G. Capo (talk) 23:30, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi G. Capo. Thanks for posting here. I see the reference remains, but has now been tagged as unreliable. Well, that's better than the ref being removed, I guess. :) Okay, so, first things first. I am a bit concerned that the ref site is infringing on copyrights buy posting those screenshots. I know we are not permitted to have external links in the External links section of articles that are to copyvio sites. I will post somewhere asking about using a ref that has this problem. If I get a green light, then you can post at your talk page post asking for objections to remove the "unreliable source" tag removed. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

It appears that, if that site is illegally posting screenshots then the reference should be removed according to [[[WP:COPYLINKS]] which says "...Knowingly and intentionally directing others to a site that violates copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement in the United States..." and . Is that site allowed to post those screenshots? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:19, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Thanks for helping out on the Tom Cotton vandal today! KNHaw ^(talk) 02:17, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Happy to help. Thank you for the lovely barnstar!! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:28, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Roti

Thank you for reverting back the article to its original without the useless cookbook ref. One of the reasons for me to use the Indian newspaper ref was due to recent nationalistic edits by both Indian people, as well as Pakistani people. I am quite neutral in this whole dispute. - Takeaway (talk) 02:08, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome, Takeaway. I wasn't trying to select anyone's preferred version. I just thought that removing disputed and obviously controversial content would be a good way forward. There's no harm in leaving content out if it is not solid.

I do hope this ends with all sides seeing this as having no factually determinable origin. I mean it's flat, ground-up, flour mush cooked on fire. Revolting, stinky cave people figured that out thousands of years ago. How can there possibly be a country of origin. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:23, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Exactly what I was thinking. Although revolting, stinky cave people probably didn't grow wheat which is needed for this dish. Therefore the newspaper article made some sense. - Takeaway (talk) 03:23, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

True that cavepeople like neanderthals were around until about 40,000 years ago. But, the only thing they were making was a mess on the cave floor.

However, people 8,000 years ago ground flour to make stuff. No caves, but huts and loin clothes. They must have made flat bread and called it, not 'roti' but 'hgggrnnghfff'. As in "...Oh, no, I dropped my hgggrnnghfff in that dung. Oh well, I'll eat it anyway..."

Same stuff, different name. So what source can say that roti came into existence when and where the name did? Germans didn't invent the wheel just because that's where the name started. They invented pumpernickel, which was a huge mistake because it is basically just a foul-smelling sheet of corkboard. But I digress.

Anyhow, what's the point of all this? Simple: people 8,000 years ago must have really stunk up the hut. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:10, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

From Sleepy Beauty

Hi Anna, it was the source reference of the information I was adding to the article. 23:50, 26 January 2018‎ Sleepy Beauty

I do not understand what you are talking about, User:Sleepy Beauty. Please discuss this at User talk:Sleepy Beauty, not here. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:10, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

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Dear Anna,

I appreciate your offer to help me. I may well take you up on that! Carolinediazwilliams (talk) 16:34, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

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 I have just been at [[Wikipedia: Village pump (proposals)]] and see you had an entry there. Good to see you're still on Wikipedia  - you may or may not remember you gave me a barnstar for an article on "List of Pastries". That was back in the days when I used to edit under the name ACEOREVIVED. I now edit under the name "Vorbee"  - after a long period of absence, I got back on line again. Happy New Year to You![[User:Vorbee|Vorbee]] ([[User talk:Vorbee|talk]]) 10:10, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
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+== Request for review ==
+Hi,
+I [[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=South_American_jaguar&diff=821629812&oldid=821610778| put in]] some information regarding a topic that received widespread attention, that is the [[killing of Juma the jaguar]] during the [[2016 Summer Olympics]] in [[Brazil]], with 2 references. Since this was quite notable, in that sense, I might spread the information to other related articles, but before doing that, I just want to clarify, that edit of mine did not break any rules, such as on [[Wikipedia:Copyright|WP:Copyright]], am I right? [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]] ([[User talk:Leo1pard|talk]]) 17:56, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
+:Hi [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]]. It looks fine to me and [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=South+American+jaguar&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0 I do not see copyvios]. [[User:Anna Frodesiak|Anna Frodesiak]] ([[User talk:Anna Frodesiak#top|talk]]) 20:19, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
+== Easter Egg (Media)==
+Hello there. Unfortunately, editors have once again resorted to reverting my edit on this topic. [[User:G. Capo|G. Capo]] ([[User talk:G. Capo|talk]]) 23:30, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
+:Hi [[User:G. Capo|G. Capo]]. Thanks for posting here. I see the reference remains, but has now been tagged as unreliable. Well, that's better than the ref being removed, I guess. :) Okay, so, first things first. I am a bit concerned that the ref site is infringing on copyrights buy posting those screenshots. I know we are not permitted to have external links in the External links section of articles that are to copyvio sites. I will post somewhere asking about using a ref that has this problem. If I get a green light, then you can post at your talk page post asking for objections to remove the "unreliable source" tag removed. [[User:Anna Frodesiak|Anna Frodesiak]] ([[User talk:Anna Frodesiak#top|talk]]) 07:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
+:It appears that, if that site is illegally posting screenshots then the reference should be removed according to [[[WP:COPYLINKS]] which says ''"...Knowingly and intentionally directing others to a site that violates copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement in the United States..."'' and . Is that site allowed to post those screenshots? [[User:Anna Frodesiak|Anna Frodesiak]] ([[User talk:Anna Frodesiak#top|talk]]) 07:19, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
+== A barnstar for you! ==
+{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
+|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Barnstar of Reversion Hires.png|100px]]
+|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar'''
+|-
+|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thanks for helping out on the [[Tom Cotton]] vandal today! [[User:KNHaw|<span style="font-family: comic sans ms; color: SeaGreen;">'''''KNHaw'''''</span>]] [[User talk:KNHaw|<span style="color: SeaGreen;"><sup>(talk)</sup></span>]] 02:17, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
+|}
+:Happy to help. Thank you for the lovely barnstar!! :) [[User:Anna Frodesiak|Anna Frodesiak]] ([[User talk:Anna Frodesiak#top|talk]]) 02:28, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
+== Roti ==
+[[File:ISHERB Caveman.JPG|thumb|A caveman with an early butter nan]]
+Thank you for reverting back the article to its original without the useless cookbook ref. One of the reasons for me to use the Indian newspaper ref was due to recent nationalistic edits by both Indian people, as well as Pakistani people. I am quite neutral in this whole dispute. - [[User:Takeaway|Takeaway]] ([[User talk:Takeaway|talk]]) 02:08, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
+:You're welcome, [[User:Takeaway|Takeaway]]. I wasn't trying to select anyone's preferred version. I just thought that removing disputed and obviously controversial content would be a good way forward. There's no harm in leaving content out if it is not solid.
+:I do hope this ends with all sides seeing this as having no factually determinable origin. I mean it's flat, ground-up, flour mush cooked on fire. Revolting, stinky cave people figured that out thousands of years ago. How can there possibly be a country of origin. Best, [[User:Anna Frodesiak|Anna Frodesiak]] ([[User talk:Anna Frodesiak#top|talk]]) 02:23, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
+::Exactly what I was thinking. Although revolting, stinky cave people probably didn't grow wheat which is needed for this dish. Therefore the newspaper article made some sense. - [[User:Takeaway|Takeaway]] ([[User talk:Takeaway|talk]]) 03:23, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
+:::True that cavepeople like [[neanderthal]]s were around until about 40,000 years ago. But, the only thing they were making was a mess on the cave floor.
+:::However, people [[6th millennium BC|8,000 years ago]] ground [[Flour#History|flour to make stuff]]. No caves, but huts and loin clothes. They must have made flat bread and called it, not 'roti' but 'hgggrnnghfff'. As in ''"...Oh, no, I dropped my hgggrnnghfff in that dung. Oh well, I'll eat it anyway..."''
+:::Same stuff, different name. So what source can say that roti came into existence when and where the name did? Germans didn't invent the wheel just because [https://www.etymonline.com/word/wheel that's where the name started]. They invented [[pumpernickel]], which was a huge mistake because it is basically just a foul-smelling sheet of corkboard. But I digress.
+:::Anyhow, what's the point of all this? Simple: people [[6th millennium BC|8,000 years ago]] must have really stunk up the hut. [[User:Anna Frodesiak|Anna Frodesiak]] ([[User talk:Anna Frodesiak#top|talk]]) 04:10, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
+==From Sleepy Beauty==
+Hi Anna, it was  the source reference of the information I was adding to the article.
+:50, 26 January 2018‎ Sleepy Beauty
+:I do not understand what you are talking about, [[User:Sleepy Beauty]]. Please discuss this at [[User talk:Sleepy Beauty]], not here. [[User:Anna Frodesiak|Anna Frodesiak]] ([[User talk:Anna Frodesiak#top|talk]]) 02:10, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
+{{You've got mail}}
+== Thanks for the welcome, Anna! ==
+Dear Anna,
+I appreciate your offer to help me. I may well take you up on that!
+[[User:Carolinediazwilliams|Carolinediazwilliams]] ([[User talk:Carolinediazwilliams|talk]]) 16:34, 29 January 2018 (UTC)