Talk:Sara Forsberg

Sa(a)ra Forsberg

Discussion is moved from user talk:Zache (rev id 655805429) Saara revealed in her last video that "Saara" is her birth name and "Sara" is the Americanised version (source). Saara is also a common name in Finland and is the Finnish version of the name Sarah. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 02:25, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

From Finnish magazines: Saatuaan levytyssopimuksen Capitol Recordsille, hän joutui tosissaan miettimään, millä nimellä alkaa tehdä musiikkia. Sekä hänen käyttämänsä Smo että Smokahontas olivat jo käytössä, joten nimeksi valikoitui hänen oma etunimensä yhdellä ylimääräisellä a-kirjaimella.. rough translation: After she got record deal with Capitol records, she needed to select name to create the music. Both Smo and Smokahontas were already in use so she selected her own name with one extra a-letter. (source Me Naiset, 10.4.2015, Sara Forsberg kommentoi uutta artistinimeään tuoreella videollaan ). Both names Sara and Saara are common in Finland. Based on stats there is in Finland persons with name Sara 14626 and Saara 19744. Sara is used in both Finnish and Swedish areas though it is more common in Swedish speaking areas of Finland. Saara however is Finnish name because it is written by double vocals which is typical for Finnish language and untypical for Swedish. Sara Forsberg is from bilingual family and from bilingual area (Pohjanmaa).Zache (talk) 07:08, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Just as a spectator: Even if Saara is her real birth name, guidelines say (IIRC) that articles should primarily use the person's best known name. In this case it's "Sara (Maria) Forsberg" (at least in Finnish sources). But, of course, her birth name can be mentioned in the article. 84.249.84.11 (talk) 08:53, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

And to prevent any edit war i will add some refs more about the new artist name: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8]. Summary of those news is that the new artist name of Sara Maria Forsberg is Saara and the name of the new tune is Ur Cool. There is also clear distinction between real person and pseudonym (Saara, Smokahontas, Smo... etc) in the news. --Zache (talk) 07:16, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Some more points: Sara Maria Forsberg HAS NOT changed her real name. You can see her real name for example in references 2, 5, 6, 10, 12, 13, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20 and 21 of english-speaking page If you can can read Finnish and Swedish as well as I can. SAARA is her artist name as earlier were smoukahontas, smokahontas and smo. They were not her real names either. It has been said in earlier changes that "she revealed her birth name in the newest video". You can understand this if you understand Finnish language. What she said is not that her name in written format is Saara but she says that she has been called Saara. This is just one way to pronounce the written name Sara and actually a Swedish way which isbquite normal in Finland. A different pronouncistion does not change the real written format of her name. BUT now she has taken the different written format which corresponds to pronunciaton to be her artist name. But only as the artist name.

"Swedish"

The source says: "Both of her parents are Finnish-speaking, but her father was born in Sweden" ("Båda hennes föräldrar är finskspråkiga, även om pappan är född i Sverige"), so it would be more correct to say that her father is "Sweden-born Finnish-speaking" or something similar. If the article only says "Swedish father", many might incorrectly think that Sara comes from a bilingual family. I find this an important little detail because Sara is known as a "lingual prodigy". 83.245.231.239 (talk) 03:45, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Her father is Swedish, it is not necessary to point out every little detail about her parents. Also, this might make the readers believe her father is a Swede of Finnish descent by wording it like this. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 03:51, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Also, my take on what the article is saying is that yes her father is from Sweden but he also speaks Finnish and she was raised speaking only Finnish, not that her father's native language is Finnish or anything. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 03:52, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

A possible solution to this would be wording the sentence as "despite being born to a Swedish father and Finnish mother, Forsberg was raised speaking only Finnish at home", or something like this. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 03:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Her father is a Sweden Finn. On Vasabladet's article it states that both her parents are finkspråkiga (Finnish-speaking), but her father was born in Sweden. I.e. his father's first language is Finnish, but he is from Sweden, which makes him a Sweden Finn. Saying her father is Swedish is just false information, because Sweden Finns are a widely recognized minority group in Sweden. Forsberg herself indeed has said on some of her videos that she is half Swedish, probably because "Swedish" is a lot easier to say than "half a Finn and half a Sweden Finn"). Many people don't even know Sweden Finns exist.84.248.205.72 (talk) 20:03, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

We can not just assume that he's a Sweden Finn if it hasn't been reported that he was. Being Finnish-speaking doesn't automatically make you a Sweden Finn, maybe Finnish is his second or third language. Also, Forsberg possesses a Swedish surname which furthers evidence that she is half-Swedish. I say we should just leave it as "a father from Sweden" as we know for a fact that he is and further information is unknown/unclear. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 20:20, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you can Swedish, but "finskspråkig" means Finnish is one's first language. Svenskspråkig means Swedish is one's first language, tvåspråkig means one is bilingual. Swedish surnames are extremely common in Finland, even among Finnish-speaking population, so her Swedish surname is not very adequate as a piece of evidence. 84.248.205.72 (talk) 20:28, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Swedish is not my first language so I apologize, I'm not perfect. But once again, speaking a certain language does not make you a certain ethnicity. For example, I am from Latvia and there are many Latvians who speak Russian and Russians who speak Latvian. Until he's identified as a Sweden Finn we cannot just assume he is one. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 20:57, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

You can't compare the linguistic situation of Latvia and Sweden, the countries have a very different historical backround as you probably know. I am a Sweden Finn, I was born and raised in Sweden but Finnish is my first language. Someone may consider me as a Swede because I have Swedish nationality, but the correct term is Sweden Finn as my parents are Finns who emigrated to Sweden a while ago. If one is born in Sweden but has Finnish as their first language, as Forsberg's father do, they are Sweden Finns. There are simply no Swedes who speak Finnish as their first language. You can't compare Sweden Finns neither to Swedish-speaking Finns nor Tornedalians, Sweden Finns are Finnish immigrants and their descendants. 84.248.205.72 (talk) 21:39, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

And do you have a source saying that her father is the child of Finnish immigrants. If so, then I 100% agree with you. But if not, we can't just make assumptions as that would be considered original research. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 21:55, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

"Båda hennes föräldrar är finskspråkiga, även om pappan är född i Sverige". In English: Both her parents are Finnish-speaking, even though her father is born in Sweden. Nothing directly about her father being offsping of Finnish immigrants, but if you read between the lines, it is quite clear that that is the case. Swedish parents would not raise their child to be Finnish-speaking. I don't think a non-informative Youtube-video, which is simply for entertainment purposes only, is a valid reference.84.248.205.72 (talk) 22:20, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Reading between the lines like this is original research. You can't just assume things that are never said in sources. I don't know how to make this any clearer to you. As I can see, you're an IP user so it might be in your best interest to make an account and familiarize yourself with the rules of Wikipedia, because you're not seeming to understand that you can't just jump to your own conclusions when it comes to sources. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 01:38, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

updated info?

according to a video on her channel (on the 6th march) she is no longer with capitol records. should this be updated. SanaSazi (talk) 10:41, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

But it's already written in the article... --Stryn (talk) 17:20, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

must remember to plug my brain in the charger over nite ! and read everything correctly - OOPS. thanks Stryn SanaSazi (talk) 20:43, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 16 December 2016

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The result of the move request was: not moved. No attempt by nom or anyone else to provide requested evidence, no consensus to move. We move on. Andrewa (talk) 01:07, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

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Sara Forsberg → Saara (singer) – Per WP:COMMONNAME, she's not known as Sara Forsberg anymore, just Saara. And it's also what she's best-known as. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 10:32, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose reliable sources? In ictu oculi (talk) 17:52, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

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Name

So, I didn't see anyone respond to the move request, which is why I didn't answer. But since it now got closed, we can have a discussion about it here. In response to @In ictu oculi:'s comment: "Her YouTube channel, which is undoubtably what she's known for, is under this name, as is her official website. There aren't really any news articles about her to begin with (at least in English), so I'm unable to find any." { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 01:17, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Also a bit difficult now to find Finnish sources, as most of "Saara" results now gives results about Saara Aalto. But most of the sources still talk about "Sara Forsberg", at least when talking not about his musical career. Remember that she is not just a singer. Stryn (talk) 09:58, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

"It was revealed"

Way too many uses of "it was revealed" in this piece. konetidy (talk) 11:19, 21 January 2018 (UTC)